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Isiah is sabotaging Channing Frye's career
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Andrew
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11/7/2006  8:40 AM
The real question I have is why is Crawford still playing and Frye sitting on the bench? Crawford even got crunch time minutes last night over Q.
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11/7/2006  8:44 AM
Posted by oohah:

Nobody is a bigger proponent of Frye than me. However, he looks lost out there. I am fine with benching him whle he gets his head together.

oohah

I think this is why Isiah sat him- it wasn't a question of effort, it was a question of Frye getting his head together.

I think Frye is trying to hard, forcing things. He needs to step back, relax, focus and be himself.
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11/7/2006  8:45 AM
Posted by Andrew:

The real question I have is why is Crawford still playing and Frye sitting on the bench? Crawford even got crunch time minutes last night over Q.

Both Craw and Frye are playing badly. At least Craw looks like he has hope. Frye looks bad and is going to continue to have problems until/unless he develops an inside game.

I agree, though, Q should unquestionably get minutes over Craw.
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11/7/2006  8:48 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by fishmike:

do I think IT might the right decisions? How could I? I've been saying all summer that Frye starting with Curry was a disaster in the making. Both are centers, neither defend and neither are good rebounders. This is what I have been saying, but I get ragged on for not being patient bla bla bla. I thought it was pretty obvious what would happen.

So far we are 1-3, have lost 3 straight by double digits, blew a 19 point lead in our 1 win and Frye is shooting 22% in his first 4 games.

Its a bad fit. Since we all know we are married to Curry so long as Isiah is here I am OK with trading Frye if we can get a good pick back, get a young player with more of a future here, and hopefully combine him with a contract we want to get rid of

4 games in and you already have it figured out? The answer is to trade Frye? Exactly why would anyone take him the way he's playing right now? Nothing you've said makes any sense at all.
Ive been saying all offseason that Curry and Frye are a bad fit together. Why is it hard to figure out?
Curry is in his 6th year. He's never been a good rebounder and he's always been a BAD defender. Frye was a terrible defender last year, and in 4 years of college an average rebounder. Add to it they are both centers.

Nixluva.. it didnt take 4 games to figure out anything.

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11/7/2006  8:50 AM
Maybe Frye should start playing ? He deserves to be benched. IT is doing the right thing. Lee and Rose are outplying him by far!
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11/7/2006  8:51 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by oohah:

Nobody is a bigger proponent of Frye than me. However, he looks lost out there. I am fine with benching him whle he gets his head together.

oohah

I think this is why Isiah sat him- it wasn't a question of effort, it was a question of Frye getting his head together.

I think Frye is trying to hard, forcing things. He needs to step back, relax, focus and be himself.
its never been about effort with Frye. He has ALWAYS played hard. It doesnt change the fact that he's a center and a bad fit next to Eddie our franchise player Curry. Frye cant guard 4's, and he doesnt get touches in the post playing with Curry.
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11/7/2006  8:51 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by fishmike:

do I think IT might the right decisions? How could I? I've been saying all summer that Frye starting with Curry was a disaster in the making. Both are centers, neither defend and neither are good rebounders. This is what I have been saying, but I get ragged on for not being patient bla bla bla. I thought it was pretty obvious what would happen.

So far we are 1-3, have lost 3 straight by double digits, blew a 19 point lead in our 1 win and Frye is shooting 22% in his first 4 games.

Its a bad fit. Since we all know we are married to Curry so long as Isiah is here I am OK with trading Frye if we can get a good pick back, get a young player with more of a future here, and hopefully combine him with a contract we want to get rid of

4 games in and you already have it figured out? The answer is to trade Frye? Exactly why would anyone take him the way he's playing right now? Nothing you've said makes any sense at all.
Ive been saying all offseason that Curry and Frye are a bad fit together. Why is it hard to figure out?
Curry is in his 6th year. He's never been a good rebounder and he's always been a BAD defender. Frye was a terrible defender last year, and in 4 years of college an average rebounder. Add to it they are both centers.

Nixluva.. it didnt take 4 games to figure out anything.

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11/7/2006  8:58 AM
has anyone considered that Cahanning Frye may be struggling mentally with the after-efects of his injury?

Nah, it's all Isiah's fault

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11/7/2006  9:09 AM
Since Larry get credit for making frye career in a span of 50 games or making Crawford a 41% shooter last year, he should also take the credit for messing up Nate, Q, and Curry since they are playing much better without him around. Larry Brown is a HOF coach but last year he had an agenda and it didnt work. He was a miserable coach and Frye has been was of the most outspoken guys against him
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11/7/2006  9:17 AM
Posted by oohah:

Nobody is a bigger proponent of Frye than me. However, he looks lost out there. I am fine with benching him whle he gets his head together.

oohah

Exactly, IT benched Frye because Frye is not playing well and he knows it and his teammates know it. He seems totally off in almost every aspect of his game. I think he needs to come off the bench for awhile until he regains some confidence. Maybe playing with the second unit will get him into a groove.

And no, I don't think IT is sabotaging Frye. He sat Frye b/c Frye needed to sit given how he was playing. IT is going to encourage the kid and hopefully will be able to find a way to help Frye find his game. Frye is a strong kid. He will eventually find his game.
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11/7/2006  9:20 AM
This is not a new era, its a continuation of last years "new era".

This team is largely the same, but more talented if you consider the maturity of rookies and the addition of Francis. Talent wise.

They should not be getting used to the new coaching or visa versa. ITs all very familiar.

The games are not close. It feels just like last year.
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11/7/2006  9:22 AM
Posted by fishmike:

do I think IT might the right decisions? How could I? I've been saying all summer that Frye starting with Curry was a disaster in the making. Both are centers, neither defend and neither are good rebounders. This is what I have been saying, but I get ragged on for not being patient bla bla bla. I thought it was pretty obvious what would happen.

So far we are 1-3, have lost 3 straight by double digits, blew a 19 point lead in our 1 win and Frye is shooting 22% in his first 4 games.

Its a bad fit. Since we all know we are married to Curry so long as Isiah is here I am OK with trading Frye if we can get a good pick back, get a young player with more of a future here, and hopefully combine him with a contract we want to get rid of



Actually I was referring to his use of Rose, which you compared to how LB did.

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11/7/2006  9:30 AM
Great Post?

Have you watched the ****ing games Channing can't do anything he doesn't rebound, defend or shoot the ball well, he looks lost and can't even catch, he is 6'11 and missed an open dunk because he couldn't jump high enough, Channing is simply not that talented, he has a jump shot and when that isn't going in he is useless.

Does Isiah know how to coach? NO he is ****ing terrible, Channing should not be starting, and if he wanted to make more of an effort to get him going they would run a pick and role a few times down the court, but right now Frye looks like he should have been taken in the second round of the draft....
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11/7/2006  9:32 AM
Posted by King1:

Since Larry get credit for making frye career in a span of 50 games or making Crawford a 41% shooter last year, he should also take the credit for messing up Nate, Q, and Curry since they are playing much better without him around. Larry Brown is a HOF coach but last year he had an agenda and it didnt work. He was a miserable coach and Frye has been was of the most outspoken guys against him


badda bing

Is it a coincidence that Marbury and Frye were the most outspoken against Brown and struggle now?

Karma is a b!tch.

But seriously, I think that kind of talk puts undue pressure on oneself to perform, and they're not handling the pressure well.
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11/7/2006  9:33 AM
The team was getting killed in the first half, until the lineup that finished it showed signs of life and energy by cutting into the Spurs lead. Isiah then started that same lineup to start the second half.

I don't think it was JUST Frye that was benched to start the second half. I believe Curry, Marbury and Francis were also made to sit. Of the starters only Q, who played hard the entire game, came out to begin the 3rd quarter.
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11/7/2006  9:35 AM
Posted by Andrew:

The real question I have is why is Crawford still playing and Frye sitting on the bench? Crawford even got crunch time minutes last night over Q.


My guess:

A) Crawford wasn't part of the group that set the poor tone from the start.

B) For the first three games JC was playing SG and SF, when he brought him back in the second half he set him at PG, at least for a little while. He was giving him a different look.
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11/7/2006  9:39 AM
It's becoming a little more evident why guys like Q and malik were praised last year for hanging tough mentally in spite of sometimes poor physical play, and why guys with hollow hearts, like Marbury, were criticized. Slumps and streaks can come and go, but character is forever, and we have far too few of the quality guys.
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11/7/2006  10:01 AM
Frye will sabotage his own career without Isiah's help
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11/7/2006  10:02 AM
Frye is having major mantal and fundamental problems which have nothing to do with Isiah. Frye can't even catch the ball cleanly with out turning it into a juggling act.

BTW, maybe frye and Curry don't fit together, however I recall Frye have some of his major blow-up games playing along side
Curry last yr (30 pts) against the Bucks last yr starting along side Curry for the first time in December.
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11/7/2006  10:35 AM
badda bing

Is it a coincidence that Marbury and Frye were the most outspoken against Brown and struggle now?

Karma is a b!tch.

But seriously, I think that kind of talk puts undue pressure on oneself to perform, and they're not handling the pressure well.

If Karma was a bitch, LB would be scrubbing toilets. And not because of the Knicks. I don't have time to recite his career of skullduggery and backstabbing, but it is breath-taking in its breadth.

oohah

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