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BasketballJones
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11/7/2006  9:56 AM
Frye is okay. But players in the NBA need to develop their games and learn some new tricks to thrive. Frye definitely needs to be more manly and take it to the paint more often.
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11/7/2006  9:59 AM
Posted by MS:

Channing doesn't have any moves what are you guys watching he is so mechanical and not smoothe around the basket, i haven't seen him do an up and under yet.

Ok sure, you're right. Frye has no moves. Gosh, what was I thinking?

[Edited by - PresIke on 11-07-2006 09:59 AM]
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11/7/2006  10:00 AM
Name one move of his? That awkard jump hook that rarely going in or his double clutch pump fake that always get blocked
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11/7/2006  10:02 AM
Posted by MS:

Name one move of his? That awkard jump hook that rarely going in or his double clutch pump fake that always get blocked

He's got this awesome move where he hits an 11 foot jumper facing the basket with no one guarding him ... he's unstoppable with that.
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11/7/2006  10:13 AM
He was practicing, and tried early in the game a turn around jumper with a man on him. Also, taking his man off the dribble to drive into the paint.

My friend and I both thought he made some good moves to the basket, but the shots were not falling. It's just so sad how suddenly so many here think he sucks. You did say he had "no moves" and then named two moves, so I'm not the one with my foot in my mouth.

Of course, the second move you listed is not a move, and more of the writings of a frustrated fan who clearly hates Frye. I'm not saying I love Channing, but I'd like to see him get a chance to grow. The impatience level from some of us is just so outrageous, and unfair to guys like Frye, who are developing. The dude scored 30 points twice last year, and had a great season overall. The notion that ALL of his points come from his jump shot is false. Sure, that has been the most dependable part of his game, but he's been working on other parts, and now some of you want to go nut on the guy for not being Lebron James. Sheesh.
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11/7/2006  10:13 AM
Posted by anrst:
Posted by MS:

Name one move of his? That awkard jump hook that rarely going in or his double clutch pump fake that always get blocked

He's got this awesome move where he hits an 11 foot jumper facing the basket with no one guarding him ... he's unstoppable with that.

How long did it take you to come up with that one?
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11/7/2006  10:54 AM
Posted by PresIke:

As for drawing 3 pt plays, that's hogwash, TMS. Did you watch the game yesterday? Frye did not attempt any 3's, my friend. I was also there, and I dunno if you noticed but NEVER did I see Frye attempt any shots that were not within his own skill set. I thought Isiah was trying to get Frye's confidence up, by giving him a lot of shots early in the game. It didn't work, but you this Frye is garbage stuff is so full of holes. Maybe he does turn out to be not a great player, but I think it's far too soon to start running the guy out of town. It's not his fault that he found himself on a team with so many fans who are all on the verge of a nervous breakdown over the way the team is run. Let him grow, then we'll see what he turns out like.

first of all Pres, when did i ever say Channing was garbage? when did i say i wanted him run out of town? don't misrepresent my comments, that's beneath you.

& dude i've been watching every game so far... who cares if you've been AT the games... does that make your eyes any more qualified to see that Channing's attempted four 3 pointers already this season & missed on all of them? (2 against MEM, 1 against ATL & another against IND the other night)... i distinctly remember Channing spotting up baseline behind the 3 pt. arc calling for the ball out of a called Time out (not talking about last night's game btw)... it was a set play called by Isiah w/the clock running down & Francis was running the ball up the floor... there were no other offensive options open to Francis except to drive the ball to the lane & try & draw a foul or toss up a jumper himself, but instead he dished off to Channing... u can ask anyone else who's been watching all the games too & they'll tell u they saw the same thing... please don't tell me Isiah has been putting Channing in the right places to succeed because he certainly has not... Channing is not a 3 point shooting PF in the mold of an Al Harrington or Antawn Walker... he needs to be posting up down low or playing off the pick & roll to set up his midrange jumper to be successful, & Isiah himself has reiterated that, but instead he has Channing spotting up at the top of the key or beyond the 3 point line jacking up long range perimeter shots on certain set plays... wouldn't it make sense to play Channing off the bench instead & featuring him in the offense when Curry's not on the floor? that would seem like the easiest way to get him back into the groove of things to me... but what the hell do i know?
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11/7/2006  11:09 AM
watch out- the sky is falling.

Holy Doomsday!

Imagine if we had drafted Lebron James, and he had a few off games.

Fans would be saying - he's soft, he isn't good.

Give Frye some time to get straightened out.

Q was awful last year- it was mental and physical.

And look at him now.

Frye has potential- he showed it last year and I've seen flashes this year of improved effort, defense.

A big part of his problem is confidence. He is getting some good shots- they aren't dropping and he is looking to pass when he should be shooting.

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11/7/2006  11:23 AM
Frye may have got use to a structured offense and defense that LB was instructing , it might have reminded him of his college coach at Zona Lute Olson. Now with Isiah coaching it reminds him of RINGLING BROS AND BARNUM BAILEY CIRCUS. I would be confused too
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11/7/2006  11:27 AM
Posted by franco12:

watch out- the sky is falling.

Holy Doomsday!

Imagine if we had drafted Lebron James, and he had a few off games.

Fans would be saying - he's soft, he isn't good.

Give Frye some time to get straightened out.

Q was awful last year- it was mental and physical.

And look at him now.

Frye has potential- he showed it last year and I've seen flashes this year of improved effort, defense.

A big part of his problem is confidence. He is getting some good shots- they aren't dropping and he is looking to pass when he should be shooting.

Frye had 4 years in college, this isn't anything new to some of us that are watching him play the way he's playing now, we've seen it at Arizona. Which is exactly the reason many of us were wary of drafting him.

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11/7/2006  11:32 AM
Frye right now looks like a better fit for myspace than for the Knicks or NYC for that matter.
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11/7/2006  12:32 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by PresIke:

As for drawing 3 pt plays, that's hogwash, TMS. Did you watch the game yesterday? Frye did not attempt any 3's, my friend. I was also there, and I dunno if you noticed but NEVER did I see Frye attempt any shots that were not within his own skill set. I thought Isiah was trying to get Frye's confidence up, by giving him a lot of shots early in the game. It didn't work, but you this Frye is garbage stuff is so full of holes. Maybe he does turn out to be not a great player, but I think it's far too soon to start running the guy out of town. It's not his fault that he found himself on a team with so many fans who are all on the verge of a nervous breakdown over the way the team is run. Let him grow, then we'll see what he turns out like.

first of all Pres, when did i ever say Channing was garbage? when did i say i wanted him run out of town? don't misrepresent my comments, that's beneath you.

& dude i've been watching every game so far... who cares if you've been AT the games... does that make your eyes any more qualified to see that Channing's attempted four 3 pointers already this season & missed on all of them? (2 against MEM, 1 against ATL & another against IND the other night)... i distinctly remember Channing spotting up baseline behind the 3 pt. arc calling for the ball out of a called Time out (not talking about last night's game btw)... it was a set play called by Isiah w/the clock running down & Francis was running the ball up the floor... there were no other offensive options open to Francis except to drive the ball to the lane & try & draw a foul or toss up a jumper himself, but instead he dished off to Channing... u can ask anyone else who's been watching all the games too & they'll tell u they saw the same thing... please don't tell me Isiah has been putting Channing in the right places to succeed because he certainly has not... Channing is not a 3 point shooting PF in the mold of an Al Harrington or Antawn Walker... he needs to be posting up down low or playing off the pick & roll to set up his midrange jumper to be successful, & Isiah himself has reiterated that, but instead he has Channing spotting up at the top of the key or beyond the 3 point line jacking up long range perimeter shots on certain set plays... wouldn't it make sense to play Channing off the bench instead & featuring him in the offense when Curry's not on the floor? that would seem like the easiest way to get him back into the groove of things to me... but what the hell do i know?


TMS, I didn't mean to say you said he was garbage, so I apologize if that was misread. Nor am I trying to say I see the game differently or better than you. I'm just saying that I think we might want to give the guy a break right now and let him grow a bit.

I agree with your concern about the 3 point shot, which I saw him take in previous games. I did not notice that he was looking to shoot a 3 in yesterday's game, which might have been one play, but all of the other plays he was involved in or took a shot, were all within the scope of his game. I saw him trying to post or get the ball in good spots, especially in the 1st quarter when Zeke was featuring him. You must have seen that if you watched the first 5-8 minutes of the game. I think Curry and Frye took almost all of the shots, except for a nice jumper Francis made where he then landed on someone's foot and sprained his ankle.

You may be right about having Frye come off the bench. I honestly don't know the immediate answer, but I do think we should not be writing the guy off after 4 games in his sophomore season in the NBA, after what he showed us before.
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11/7/2006  1:03 PM
right now, he just looks completely lost playing w/the starting rotation... best bet is to let him ease his way into the game off the bench after he's had a chance to observe the flow of the game & then not have to compete w/Curry for touches down low in the paint... the reason many thought he'd be a good complement for Curry last season was because his perimeter shot was falling, but this year he's clearly off w/his shot, so he needs to go more to his post up game & get his rhythm back... plus the fact that he can't guard most athletic 4's right now w/his immobility due to his recovery from knee surgery & the added weight he put on in the offseason... he'd be much better backing up Curry at the 5.
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