Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by 4949:

Posted by nyk4ever:

The only way the Knicks will get better is by trading their young attractive players coupled with players like Franbury and get the rosters off the books for expirings. Time to start from scratch.

2 games and your ready to change the face of the Knicks already?

The face of this team is 2 30yr old guards. Thats what this team is built around and these players are career losing players who have ruined chemistry at all stops. It's time to cut bait and trade these guys and SERIOUSLY start rebuilding.

This isn't rebuilding, not when you center your team around two 30 yr old combo guards.

But, when the two 30 year old guards are gone in a few years, why can't we build around Frye, Lee, Nate, Q, Curry and so on? Why do you want to sink the entire ship, when it just a few little holes on the botton that can be fixed?

Posted by 4949:


But, when the two 30 year old guards are gone in a few years, why can't we build around Frye, Lee, Nate, Q, Curry and so on? Why do you want to sink the entire ship, when it just a few little holes on the botton that can be fixed?

Out of the group you mentioned, there isn't any player that is a player you can build around. The Knicks can not keep doing this backwards. You gotta start with the franchise player and then build around him, not the other way around. Frye and Curry are both nice complimentary players but neither is a franchise player, Curry has a chance at being one but we can't keep waiting on him. It's time to start this over.

Trade Frye and Nate in trades with Marbury and Francis and try to keep Lee. Those trades should bring us back plenty of capspace with expirings and draft picks. Build your team around those draft picks and use that capspace very wisely and you also have Curry, Lee, Q, Jeffries to go with them.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by 4949:


But, when the two 30 year old guards are gone in a few years, why can't we build around Frye, Lee, Nate, Q, Curry and so on? Why do you want to sink the entire ship, when it just a few little holes on the botton that can be fixed?

Out of the group you mentioned, there isn't any player that is a player you can build around. The Knicks can not keep doing this backwards. You gotta start with the franchise player and then build around him, not the other way around. Frye and Curry are both nice complimentary players but neither is a franchise player, Curry has a chance at being one but we can't keep waiting on him. It's time to start this over.

Trade Frye and Nate in trades with Marbury and Francis and try to keep Lee. Those trades should bring us back plenty of capspace with expirings and draft picks. Build your team around those draft picks and use that capspace very wisely and you also have Curry, Lee, Q, Jeffries to go with them.

I wouldn't put my money on the Knicks using cap space wisely 'EVER'! So forget that! And were are we going to get a franchise player at? You need a LeBron, Jordan, Magic Johnson, Kareem, Shaq or Kobe or whoever else has been a true all-star to do that! It's not happening! And the only chance that might happen is when LeBron ends his contract in about what' five or six years? You don't think the Knicks are going to sit around and wait for that' to happen, do you? I think your asking for something incredible to happen here. I say that in a nice way.

I notice you conveniently discounted that.

Dude' that's next to impossible in this environment!

Posted by 4949:

I notice you conveniently discounted that.

Dude' that's next to impossible in this environment!

I don't care if it is or it isn't, besides they just had the 8th pick in the draft 2 years ago. That's how you rebuild in the NBA, theres no other way unless you trade for Shaq and even then the Heat still had Dwayne Wade. The Knicks aren't special and they can't rebuild differently. Tear it down and rebuild it.

Trade our large contracts now, couple them with Frye and Nate for expiring deals and draft picks and build around those draft picks and the salary cap space you got.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-04-2006 1:23 PM]

You also forgot that the bulls are going to get our better deal on those draft picks, so if we end up with #1, the bulls can trade with us. That was the deal Zeke made in the Curry trade! I don't mind the trade but the deal, with two years of draft picks is turning into a disaster!!!

I don't care if it is or it isn't,

What do you mean 'you don't care'? What is the point of your argument then?

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by 4949:

Trade our large contracts now, couple them with Frye and Nate for expiring deals and draft picks and build around those draft picks and the salary cap space you got.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-04-2006 1:23 PM]

You also forgot that the bulls are going to get our better deal on those draft picks, so if we end up with #1, the bulls can trade with us. That was the deal Zeke made in the Curry trade! I don't mind the trade but the deal, with two years of draft picks is turning into a disaster!!!

I totally agree with you, but thats why we gotta package guys like marbury and francis with frye and nate so we can get MORE draft picks back. I know we've lost this years, theres no question but thats EXACTLY THE REASON we need to get more back. The only way we're getting more draft picks back is by trading guys like Frye and Nate and probably Lee.

Okay, the thought you have in pilling up draft picks, hey' I'd do it in a NY minute! But the reality is, that's not going to happen. Our his-story tells us that. I would hope we could do that, under no obligations to anyone, but I just don't see it happening. If you ask me, I'd say this is the best situation we can be in right now, for what it is worth. We have a team here that can' win if they can find a balance. I'd be real' happy if these Knicks can be close to a .500 team and not neccessarily a playoffs team, but not the worst either. I don't want the bulls to get anything else good out of us. It's a complete insult. A sort of pouring the salt on the wound. I certainly would not want to do the draft thing right now, seeing that we still owe them. Let's get past this year and then maybe start pushing that button. But hey' also, what the Kncks finallycome through? Then this whole argument is pointless, in which case I will be very happy.

Posted by 4949:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by 4949:

Trade our large contracts now, couple them with Frye and Nate for expiring deals and draft picks and build around those draft picks and the salary cap space you got.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 11-04-2006 1:23 PM]

You also forgot that the bulls are going to get our better deal on those draft picks, so if we end up with #1, the bulls can trade with us. That was the deal Zeke made in the Curry trade! I don't mind the trade but the deal, with two years of draft picks is turning into a disaster!!!

I totally agree with you, but thats why we gotta package guys like marbury and francis with frye and nate so we can get MORE draft picks back. I know we've lost this years, theres no question but thats EXACTLY THE REASON we need to get more back. The only way we're getting more draft picks back is by trading guys like Frye and Nate and probably Lee.

Okay, the thought you have in pilling up draft picks, hey' I'd do it in a NY minute! But the reality is, that's not going to happen. Our his-story tells us that. I would hope we could do that, under no obligations to anyone, but I just don't see it happening. If you ask me, I'd say this is the best situation we can be in right now, for what it is worth. We have a team here that can' win if they can find a balance. I'd be real' happy if these Knicks can be close to a .500 team and not neccessarily a playoffs team, but not the worst either. I don't want the bulls to get anything else good out of us. It's a complete insult. A sort of pouring the salt on the wound. I certainly would not want to do the draft thing right now, seeing that we still owe them. Let's get past this year and then maybe start pushing that button. But hey' also, what the Kncks finallycome through? Then this whole argument is pointless, in which case I will be very happy.

I see what your saying 4949, I really do. I don't want the Bulls to get anything out of his either, it's a total kick in the nuts. All I'm saying is that I saw Dolan allow the Rangers to rebuild by trading some vets for younger guys. If he let the Rangers do it and also recently told Isiah not to add anymore contracts than that LEADS me to believe he could be on onboard for a full-throttle rebuild. Now obviously who the hell knows what Dolan is thinking, the guy is an idiot but I think there are signs of hope that he may let this ship be torn down and built back up. That's all I'm saying, obviously history doesn't lead us to believe that, but short-term history is a bit different than long-term history. Theres hope.