Everybody does not hate Marbury the person, but many hate Marbury the player.

Personally, I'm willing to see what happens this year with his pal Isiah as coach. Going by what happened in the first game, I saw a team on which Marbury is not indispensible, and I think that's a good thing. Let him go out and contribute. So long as he realizes he doesn't have to try to do everything himself, maybe we can hate Marbury the player a bit less this year.

Players do not deserve more than what they give.

Preach it JVG, Preach it!

Posted by bsw3:

bippity, i just wanted to say that reading your whole statement about your league and being nice to the refs was the biggest waste of time i could imagine. i don't understand why you think you're so all-knowing when it comes to basketball, and how you think it's even somewhat relevant to compare your league to the nba. anybody who has ever played basketball anywhere in any setting already knows everything you just said. instead of always looking to criticise and show your expertise, why don't you just give people some credit every once in a while.

What in heavens name are you talking about? How do you get me thinking I know more than others when I simply gave an example from my life of a situation where an answer is obvious and yet some people don't see it. It has nothign to do with comparing a YMCA league to the NBA. Where do you guys get this crarp. I'm sure I miss answers all the time as well In this case the answer for Marbs is simple he just doesn't see it. If you want to take this as some type of personal front against you, or somehow me saying I have some kind of superior mind, than so be it.

"why don't you just give people credit every once in a while". Once again a misrepresentation. If you scroll up about 2 posts you will see that I actually gave Charlie Ward a load of credit. I give credit where I see fit. As you probably do as well. but since I'm not giving the guy that you want me to give credit to somehow this makes me an evil human. I say poppydoodle.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-03-2006 12:18 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-03-2006 12:19 PM]

Marbury deserves much of the criticism he gets. It's time for him to just shut up and play.

Posted by MS:

EXACTLY WHY ISIAH DOESN"T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS GAME...

Nominee for most asinine statement of the day.


[Edited by - PresIke on 11-03-2006 12:37 PM]

Michael, just to clarify, i was a big supporter of the trade that got Marbury here in the first place & had BIG hopes that he'd be the guy we needed to take us back to respectability in this league... boy was i wrong... steadily as i've watched him play & how he conducted himself over the past 3 seasons, i've grown a deep rooted disdain for the guy... this is not a game to game, i think he's great, i think he sucks wishy washiness on my part... for Marbury to win back my respect, he's going to have to do a HELLUVA lot more than just lead this team back to the playoffs this season... he needs to show me that he's grown into the leader that other young guys should emulate their own games after... i really don't think he'll ever do it, but i really hope i'm wrong on that one too.

NYK
There lies the problem, everyone has unrealistic goals for the team. When the trade went down, the knicks did not have a winning team. They were barely 8th seed as best. They went out and got jamal, he got injured, h20 never came back. We went out and got Larry, we got three good draft picks. That didnt work. So here we are, you want them to hit the East Finals and NBA Finals. Not realistic.

To address the other players you would rather have. They are young and unproven, they dont have the experience. Marbury does.
I'll throw this out there in a hypothetical world. If salary was not at play, then every team that doesnt have a star point guard would trade for him. Regardless of his persona, attitude with media, etc. The guy has got the skills. They would do it in a heartbeat. (Hypothetical world)

TMS
We need a clear definition of what a leader does. Marbury might not be the best guy to be the team leader. But his teammates respect him, the coaches respect him. If you play his kind of game, and are young then you should emulate after him. he does it pretty good. Let me throw this at you. Marbury or insert any other guard with similar attributes coming into the league at that time. There was john stockton, a class act as a pg and a role model. ( no one would argue that, im going somewhere i promise) Does it make sense for a guy with Marbury,Iverson, Francis, etc talent to model their game after Stockton's. No there are not those kind of players. Nash, Ridnour, etc should emulate Stockton.
I agree his attitude most times when they are losing is totally crap, which is why he might not be the guy to be the leader. just reality.
Also this is the best team Isaih has put together since he got here.

Posted by Michael6835:

We need a clear definition of what a leader does. Marbury might not be the best guy to be the team leader... I agree his attitude most times when they are losing is totally crap, which is why he might not be the guy to be the leader. just reality.

you pretty much answered your own question there... Marbury's not cut out to be a leader but he was brought here to be one... Isiah put all his eggs into Marbury's basket, & it turned out to be the wrong choice... again, i'll have to see a MUCH bigger sample than just a few games where Marbury plays good fundamental team style ball to have my opinion swayed on him... he's shown me too much over the span of the past 3 seasons to think otherwise.

as for emulating John Stockton, no i don't expect young dynamic PG's who can score to emulate a guy like that... i expect them to emulate a guy like Isiah Thomas... Marbury says Isiah was his idol, but there's really no comparison between the 2 when it comes to being a leader for your team... Isiah had an indomitable will, he was MONEY when it counted, & he was 1 of the toughest SOB's that ever played in this league.

Marbury? he's fugazy man... sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's reality... until he shows me he's got heart & toughness inside that hard thug wannabe shell of his, he'll always be a big phony in my eyes.

Posted by nixluva:

Steph had 19 and 8 asts and he didn't dominate the ball to get those stats. that is a good game for him. He only took 13 shots and went 6-13 and 6-8 on FT's. Meanwhile Jamal went 4-22 and there isn't anywhere near as much Hate for him after a performance like that. CAN YOU SAY ANTI STEPH BIAS?

if u'd read my post game comments thread u'd have noticed i pointed out that i was very pleased w/the way Marbury played the other night w/the 1 exception of that big missed FT in crunchtime... i also pointed out how poorly Jamal had played that game as well... where is the Anti Steph Bias you're speaking of? this thread is speaking to the OVERALL impression of Stephon Marbury... his performance the other night is not going to suddenly change the minds of those who have been conditioned to think a certain way about him over the past 3 years... that's not bias born out of a simple dislike for the guy... it's an overall impression of him based on what he's shown over the longhaul in his career.