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holfresh
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11/2/2006  2:02 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Ira:

David Lee isn't as physically imposing as Oakley. Oakley was a tough guy and wasn't afraid to let opposing players know it. Lee is a very good rebounder, but not as good as Oak was when he was a young player. Oakley developed into a very good defensive player.
We'll see if Lee does. Both are good passers. Oakley had a better outside shot, but Lee is more athletic and can finish better.

All in all, I like Lee a lot. We were lucky to get him where we did. But Oakley was a better player than Lee.

good assessment. I thought Oak was an average passer at best and that Lee can become a VERY good passer with time.

Oak was a very good passer, he took too many chances with the long outlet but Oak was a very good interior passer...Lots of nice bounce passes but tried to tread the needle too many times...

Oaks game is a lot different than Lee's game...Oak set a tone of the game, he was the muscle and the enforcer...It wasn't only about rebounding...Lee has to expand his game...He is only effective two feet from he basket...He concentrates on rebounds and is not enough of a defensive presence for the type of player he is...He certainly has a good future ahead of him but I would love to see him improve of defense...I would love to see give the effort on the defensive end that he does rebounds...
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11/2/2006  2:03 PM
I think that guy is nate/crawford.

Nate has a knack for hitting the open 3 ball when it's needed and already dunks like starks.

But in terms of spreewell, I'm leaning more towards crawford in his style of play.

but I don't see starks and spreewell as the same person...so that's why I came back with 2 players IMHO are the embodiment of those teams of the past.

For the most part, we dominated that game and lee coming off the bench was perfect...like I said, it's not who starts, it's who finishes.

Frye and Francis had an off night...it happens...let's see what happens on friday.
Posted by anrst:

If Lee is our next Mason/Oakley type... who is our next Starks/Spreewell guy?

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11/2/2006  3:20 PM
Wow--- saying Lee is more skilled and talented at the same age than Oakley? Well, maybe... but I think you're seriously underselling Oakley. The numbers tell a different story.

According to basketball-reference:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/oaklech01.html

At age 22, Oakley averaged 9.6ppg/8.6rpg in only 23 minutes as a rookie. (per 40mpg 16.7ppg/15rpg). In his 2nd season, he averaged 14.5ppg/13.1rpg/3.6apg in 36mpg.

On the other hand, David Lee per 40mpg numbers 12.2/10.7.

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11/2/2006  3:40 PM
I'm sorry to say that we don't have anyone who matches the heart and intesity of Starks and Spreewell ... man, do I ever miss Spreewell.
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11/2/2006  4:24 PM
the Oak man couldn't get away with half the fouls he used to commit. You just can't play the thug ball anymore that you could in the 80s and 90s. The refs won't allow it. It's good that Lee is more of a finesse player than oakley.
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11/2/2006  4:30 PM
Posted by efw:

the Oak man couldn't get away with half the fouls he used to commit. You just can't play the thug ball anymore that you could in the 80s and 90s. The refs won't allow it. It's good that Lee is more of a finesse player than oakley.

I don't agree with this. I think Oak could have adjusted. What separated Oak from his peers is that he knew team D. He wasn't the fastest, best leaper but he sure knew WHERE to be and WHEN to do it. That's what counts.
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11/2/2006  5:44 PM
Posted by anrst:

If Lee is our next Mason/Oakley type... who is our next Starks/Spreewell guy?

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11/2/2006  5:58 PM
Rodman, Pippen, and Oakley were probably the three best help defenders in the league.

When Lee is at the top of the league in defense we can talk begin to compare him to Oakley.
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11/2/2006  6:23 PM

Lee may not be the next Oak but he played a heck of a game yesterday...It wasn't all stellar but certainly something to build upon..
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11/2/2006  6:45 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Lee may not be the next Oak but he played a heck of a game yesterday...It wasn't all stellar but certainly something to build upon..

I'm just curious Holfresh. Has your opinion about inserting Lee into the starting lineup over Frye wavered at all yet?
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11/2/2006  6:48 PM
Oak grows in stature every passing miserable year!

DLee is very active body who got a nose for the ball.

He could make Frye expendable if need be, but the bottom line is a rotation of eddy, Lee and frye is a nice thing!

We are ok at small forward for now.

Its our Gumpy, Special, batty boy, and pin head backcourt is what concerns me.

Isiah done good in one area, and horrible in another!
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11/2/2006  7:16 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Oak grows in stature every passing miserable year!

DLee is very active body who got a nose for the ball.

He could make Frye expendable if need be, but the bottom line is a rotation of eddy, Lee and frye is a nice thing!

We are ok at small forward for now.

Its our Gumpy, Special, batty boy, and pin head backcourt is what concerns me.

Isiah done good in one area, and horrible in another!

I know who Grumpy, Special are... which is pin head and which is batty boy?
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11/2/2006  8:01 PM
Lee is more like Cowens than Oakley.

Either way, he should be the starting PF.
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11/2/2006  9:01 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Lee may not be the next Oak but he played a heck of a game yesterday...It wasn't all stellar but certainly something to build upon..

I'm just curious Holfresh. Has your opinion about inserting Lee into the starting lineup over Frye wavered at all yet?

Not at all, I think that Frye is having a slow start thats all...He is a bit tentative because he is thinking about fouling too much..But I see the skill level even in his bad play and you have to think it's only a matter of time before his game start clicking...Lee is playing well now but Frye playing well at the 4 spot can make the Knicks a tough out...Lee has to play some D at some point, which he still isn't committed to...As bad as Frye is on Defense, he's better than Lee defending the 4 spot...I really can't give up on Frye after one regular season game...I still think we have to wait til Febuary to see what we really have with this team..Too much one on one late in games still...But Isiah said to SAS this will happen the first few weeks..If the game is on the line the first few weeks we will go to Jamal..But that will change as we get more comfortable in the offense...So I hope Lee continues to improve, it's going to help us...I really don't see all star in him yet...Frye has the skills to be just that, an all star..We just have to be patient and let it happen...Frye and Curry can be a monster tandem and we have to have be patient let it happen...Frye, Curry and Lee can be good for years to come...Time will tell who should be the guy starting for us..Frye is just too good for us not to be patient...
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11/2/2006  9:04 PM
Posted by Rich:

Lee is more like Cowens than Oakley.

Either way, he should be the starting PF.

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11/2/2006  9:58 PM
Posted by lee42:

10 points and 13 rebounds and lots of good passing and b ball awearness sounds pretty oak like to me

I think David Lee should just be the next David Lee and be David Lee, himself.



[Edited by - 4949 on 11-02-2006 10:14 PM]
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11/2/2006  10:00 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Lee may not be the next Oak but he played a heck of a game yesterday...It wasn't all stellar but certainly something to build upon..

I'm just curious Holfresh. Has your opinion about inserting Lee into the starting lineup over Frye wavered at all yet?

I will say, 4 points in about 32 minutes of play from Frye is a little bit of a concern. We'll see what he does in the next few games.
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11/2/2006  10:10 PM
Posted by oohah:

Lee is a better rebounder than Oakley at the same stage of his carere. Lee's defense is nowhere near as good. Part of the reason is that he is concetrating so much on rebounding that he doesn't always play his man.

Lee is a better shooter at the same stage, and has much more skill. I don't see him ever becoming an enforcer though.

oohah


Lee has been great on the boards. But Oakley averaged 14.5 rebounds per game his second year in the league.
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11/2/2006  10:15 PM
Sorry anyone who saw that. I keep getting Charles Oakley mixed up with Charles Barkley.
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11/2/2006  11:20 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Nalod:

Oak grows in stature every passing miserable year!

DLee is very active body who got a nose for the ball.

He could make Frye expendable if need be, but the bottom line is a rotation of eddy, Lee and frye is a nice thing!

We are ok at small forward for now.

Its our Gumpy, Special, batty boy, and pin head backcourt is what concerns me.

Isiah done good in one area, and horrible in another!

I know who Grumpy, Special are... which is pin head and which is batty boy?


Craw is a pin head, Fran dem "batty boy". Jamaican "Patois" for homosextual.
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