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Bippity10
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11/1/2006  11:27 AM
I think Curry has potential to break out. I personally don't make that trade. Now does this mean I hate Curry and what him to die. No. I just wouldn't have made the trade.
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11/1/2006  11:29 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
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The point is, with a well crafted trade we could have had both of them.


really there's no way you can make that statement... we could have had Kobe Bryant w/a well crafted trade, who knows? does that make it a reality? the fact is that Chicago wanted that pick unprotected, & that's what Isiah gave them... whether they would've made the trade or not w/o that restriction taken off the pick is anyone's guess... no use in speculating about whether or not we could've had both these guys, cuz it didn't happen.


So if you can't lottery protect the pick in my view you don't make the trade.
So why didnt Larry Brown lottery protect the pick?

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11/1/2006  11:30 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

The point is, with a well crafted trade we could have had both of them.


really there's no way you can make that statement... we could have had Kobe Bryant w/a well crafted trade, who knows? does that make it a reality? the fact is that Chicago wanted that pick unprotected, & that's what Isiah gave them... whether they would've made the trade or not w/o that restriction taken off the pick is anyone's guess... no use in speculating about whether or not we could've had both these guys, cuz it didn't happen.


So if you can't lottery protect the pick in my view you don't make the trade.

I would have felt very comfortable gambling that our pick would not have been a super high lottery pick. No one knew LB would sabotage us like that. Read the signature.
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11/1/2006  11:31 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

The point is, with a well crafted trade we could have had both of them.


really there's no way you can make that statement... we could have had Kobe Bryant w/a well crafted trade, who knows? does that make it a reality? the fact is that Chicago wanted that pick unprotected, & that's what Isiah gave them... whether they would've made the trade or not w/o that restriction taken off the pick is anyone's guess... no use in speculating about whether or not we could've had both these guys, cuz it didn't happen.


So if you can't lottery protect the pick in my view you don't make the trade.
So why didnt Larry Brown lottery protect the pick?

Better question, why did Next-Town-Brown tank the season?
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11/1/2006  11:32 AM
I just think the title is funny. Curry a guy who has scored over 30 points in a game and has pulled down 15 as well as blocking 6 shots in a game and leading the NBA in FG% has showed you less in his whole career than a guy that put up 4 points-5rebs in 16 minutes?
Hmmm some fair measuring scale you have there.

LOL Little known fact. curry even had 5 assists in a game once. :)
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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11/1/2006  11:33 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

The point is, with a well crafted trade we could have had both of them.


really there's no way you can make that statement... we could have had Kobe Bryant w/a well crafted trade, who knows? does that make it a reality? the fact is that Chicago wanted that pick unprotected, & that's what Isiah gave them... whether they would've made the trade or not w/o that restriction taken off the pick is anyone's guess... no use in speculating about whether or not we could've had both these guys, cuz it didn't happen.


So if you can't lottery protect the pick in my view you don't make the trade.
So why didnt Larry Brown lottery protect the pick?

Better question, why did Next-Town-Brown tank the season?
Of course there is no excuse for not protecting the pick, but I can understand Isiah thinking Brown would coach to win games and the pick would be no higher than around #10.

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11/1/2006  11:34 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I just think the title is funny. Curry a guy who has scored over 30 points in a game and has pulled down 15 as well as blocking 6 shots in a game and leading the NBA in FG% has showed you less in his whole career than a guy that put up 4 points-5rebs in 16 minutes?
Hmmm some fair measuring scale you have there.

LOL Little known fact. curry even had 5 assists in a game once. :)

seriously... let's all calm down on this kid til we've seen him play for a bit longer, shall we? everyone's always so quick to proclaim new guys the next sensation based on limited samples.
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11/1/2006  11:36 AM
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I think Curry has potential to break out. I personally don't make that trade. Now does this mean I hate Curry and what him to die. No. I just wouldn't have made the trade.

it means you're a hatorade drinker.
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11/1/2006  11:38 AM
So in other words he gambled. Now in many circumstances this is fine. But in our situation seeing as we've gambled and failed so many times in the past decade that sometimes you have to play it safe. I don't sit here and wish we had Ty Thomas over Curry. Or Bynum over Frye. It's not an exact science. But what I want is sound basketball decisions by an organization that has struggled to make them since 1999. Lottery protecting a pick is a sound basketball decision. Top 3 protecting a pick is a very obvious decision. We didn't do it. Now instead of moving forward with a plan we are left praying that Eddie Curry reaches his potential because we gave up our picks.
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11/1/2006  11:41 AM
Posted by TMS:
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I think Curry has potential to break out. I personally don't make that trade. Now does this mean I hate Curry and what him to die. No. I just wouldn't have made the trade.

it means you're a hatorade drinker.

I guess on this site to have any meaning you have to "hang your ass out there". You can't just say I'm not upset with having Curry but I wouldn't make the trade. You can't deal with such ambiguity. You have to hate Curry with a passion and want him to die. Or you have to want to bear his children. He's big and male so I don't want to have his children so I guess I'll just settle for hating him and wanting him to die
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11/1/2006  11:41 AM
you know what they say about history, right Bip? if you don't learn from your past mistakes, you're doomed to repeat them... hopefully we won't have to have this conversation again a year from now.
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11/1/2006  11:41 AM
Curry also leads all current Knicks in career 3 point shooting percentage, lol. :)
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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11/1/2006  11:44 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
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I think Curry has potential to break out. I personally don't make that trade. Now does this mean I hate Curry and what him to die. No. I just wouldn't have made the trade.

it means you're a hatorade drinker.

I guess on this site to have any meaning you have to "hang your ass out there". You can't just say I'm not upset with having Curry but I wouldn't make the trade. You can't deal with such ambiguity. You have to hate Curry with a passion and want him to die. Or you have to want to bear his children. He's big and male so I don't want to have his children so I guess I'll just settle for hating him and wanting him to die


i thought you liked big males Bip?

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11/1/2006  11:45 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

The point is, with a well crafted trade we could have had both of them.


really there's no way you can make that statement... we could have had Kobe Bryant w/a well crafted trade, who knows? does that make it a reality? the fact is that Chicago wanted that pick unprotected, & that's what Isiah gave them... whether they would've made the trade or not w/o that restriction taken off the pick is anyone's guess... no use in speculating about whether or not we could've had both these guys, cuz it didn't happen.


So if you can't lottery protect the pick in my view you don't make the trade.
So why didnt Larry Brown lottery protect the pick?

Better question, why did Next-Town-Brown tank the season?
better question, why give 5 years $50mill to guy with a name like Next-Town-Brown? The good decisions just keep on coming
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11/1/2006  11:53 AM
Yeah it's amazing how many fans dismiss the LB signing. Isn't Isiah the one who signed him?????
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11/1/2006  11:58 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bippity10:

The point is, with a well crafted trade we could have had both of them.


really there's no way you can make that statement... we could have had Kobe Bryant w/a well crafted trade, who knows? does that make it a reality? the fact is that Chicago wanted that pick unprotected, & that's what Isiah gave them... whether they would've made the trade or not w/o that restriction taken off the pick is anyone's guess... no use in speculating about whether or not we could've had both these guys, cuz it didn't happen.


So if you can't lottery protect the pick in my view you don't make the trade.

I would have felt very comfortable gambling that our pick would not have been a super high lottery pick. No one knew LB would sabotage us like that. Read the signature.

if isiah didn't think they would give up a high lotto pick...and paxson didn't think he would get a high lotto pick...then why not protect it?

it's careless.
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11/1/2006  12:01 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Yeah it's amazing how many fans dismiss the LB signing. Isn't Isiah the one who signed him?????

Larry Brown obvisouly didnt work out here, as some predicted. But the general concensus was that LB was the best available man for the job. The second guessing never quits.. It didnt work out and we moved on, SO WHAT!!! It was a horrifc year, LB and Thomas clashed, as did everyone else. But at least we tried man, holy crap. Give the Brown thing a rest, he was a horrible fit. Case closed

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11/1/2006  12:15 PM
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Yeah it's amazing how many fans dismiss the LB signing. Isn't Isiah the one who signed him?????

Larry Brown obvisouly didnt work out here, as some predicted. But the general concensus was that LB was the best available man for the job. The second guessing never quits.. It didnt work out and we moved on, SO WHAT!!! It was a horrifc year, LB and Thomas clashed, as did everyone else. But at least we tried man, holy crap. Give the Brown thing a rest, he was a horrible fit. Case closed

But we are denying a major problem that has led to 7 years of mediocrity. As Nalod has coined, it's called the "starpuch". We grab players not because they fit into a plan but because they are the "best available". They excite all of us. They get us calling our team "Phoenix East" even if beneath the surface it doesn't really fit. That's exaclty what we did with the coach. We had a running team. LB is a disciplinarian that scripts every play. There were many on this site who screamed that this must mean we are gettting new players because this fit doesn't make sense. Now noone anticipated the season going as poorly as it did but the mismatch between coach's and players was obvious to all but those that like to blind themsleves for fear of not being a "true fan". YOu are correct LB is ancient history and he doesn't matter. But the decisions we continually make, do matter. If you sign LB you get him his type of players. He is not going to change his 30 year system so why would you expect it. If you want a running team you don't hire LB and then beg him to run. You go with a "less talented" coach that FITS YOUR SYSTEM AND YOUR PHILOSOPHY. This is basic team building 101.

This is just another in a line of mistakes by Isiah and he deserves to be called out for it. You can't make collossol mistakes like that and then expect to be given a pass. This is the real world. If you make a hire at your job that costs your company millions you are out on your asse. So I think it's fair to at least be able to criticize Isiah on this one. NO?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 11-01-2006 12:19 PM]
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11/1/2006  12:16 PM
If Balkman scores 6 points with 7 rebounds tonight will we declare him better than Patrick Ewing?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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11/1/2006  12:17 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

If Balkman scores 6 points with 7 rebounds tonight will we declare him better than Patrick Ewing?

no but we will give him a contract extention.
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