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10/31/2006  12:34 AM
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Oh my goodness The Knicks are paying approximately $8mil of Mo's $9mil salary while he's playing for Sacramento and now are more than likely paying $14mil of Jalen's $16mil salary while he plays for some other team.


don't forget the extra $8 mil for mo and $14 mil for jalen in luxury.

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10/31/2006  12:34 AM
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Hey, it wasn't Isiah's idea to have a Knicks "media team member" on hand for every single interview. That was Dolan. Maybe the quotes would make more sense if Dolan's henchmen weren't hanging on every word.

I wish people would re-direct their Isiah anger towards Dolan. If he left we could maybe make some real progress. Worst owner in the NBA.

Maybe your not paying attention Crzy. I have always been on Dolan, I hate the man, I have made threads about how Dolan is killing us fans, look them up. Fact of the matter is, Isiah is still doing a poor job.

I'm not paying attention to everyone's specific stance, no. But I see a lot more anti-isiah threads than anti-dolan threads.

He's got a point.
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10/31/2006  12:35 AM
Posted by djsunyc:


lb wanted to be gm.
he went behind isiah's back to broker deals.
we wanted him to concentrate on coaching.

why did you trade for francis and rose?
b/c larry told us to.

can you not see the difference between those two things?
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10/31/2006  12:36 AM
“We’ll use our resources wisely now,” Thomas said.

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10/31/2006  12:39 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:


lb wanted to be gm.
he went behind isiah's back to broker deals.
we wanted him to concentrate on coaching.

why did you trade for francis and rose?
b/c larry told us to.

can you not see the difference between those two things?

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10/31/2006  12:39 AM
Dolan went out on a road trip BEFORE the trade deadline to tell LB to tone it down. Isiah was under no pressure to make trades of that magnitude just because you think LB asked him to.

Coaches and managers in all sports typically make more and have longer contracts than their GM's. That isn't an excuse for the GM's to make trades that they don't think are in the best interests of the team.
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“We’ll use our resources wisely now,” Thomas said.



key word being "NOW"
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10/31/2006  12:44 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Oh my goodness The Knicks are paying approximately $8mil of Mo's $9mil salary while he's playing for Sacramento and now are more than likely paying $14mil of Jalen's $16mil salary while he plays for some other team.


don't forget the extra $8 mil for mo and $14 mil for jalen in luxury.

"i got my mind on my money and my money on my mind" - snoop dolan dogg


But wait remember when Zeke explained why he traded for Jalen and Steve it was to collect assets to acquire a big chip but now that's not the focus anymore.

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10/31/2006  12:46 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Dolan went out on a road trip BEFORE the trade deadline to tell LB to tone it down. Isiah was under no pressure to make trades of that magnitude just because you think LB asked him to.

Coaches and managers in all sports typically make more and have longer contracts than their GM's. That isn't an excuse for the GM's to make trades that they don't think are in the best interests of the team.

It was after the trade deadline, in Memphis sometime around March 1st. ESPN reported Isiah was going to be fired, but in the layup line before the game Marbury had the biggest smile on his face that I'd seen since before Larry showed up and I knew that Dolan had had it with Brown.
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10/31/2006  12:47 AM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
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Oh my goodness The Knicks are paying approximately $8mil of Mo's $9mil salary while he's playing for Sacramento and now are more than likely paying $14mil of Jalen's $16mil salary while he plays for some other team.


don't forget the extra $8 mil for mo and $14 mil for jalen in luxury.

"i got my mind on my money and my money on my mind" - snoop dolan dogg


But wait remember when Zeke explained why he traded for Jalen and Steve it was to collect assets to acquire a big chip but now that's not the focus anymore.

I'm not drinking the Fool-Aid.

Oh yeah? Where'd he say that?
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10/31/2006  12:48 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Oh my goodness The Knicks are paying approximately $8mil of Mo's $9mil salary while he's playing for Sacramento and now are more than likely paying $14mil of Jalen's $16mil salary while he plays for some other team.


don't forget the extra $8 mil for mo and $14 mil for jalen in luxury.

"i got my mind on my money and my money on my mind" - snoop dolan dogg


But wait remember when Zeke explained why he traded for Jalen and Steve it was to collect assets to acquire a big chip but now that's not the focus anymore.

I'm not drinking the Fool-Aid.

Oh yeah? Where'd he say that?

where were you bro. isiah had a chat on this site with martin and andrew moderating it. it should be a sticky...probably in the nba board.
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10/31/2006  12:56 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:

Dolan went out on a road trip BEFORE the trade deadline to tell LB to tone it down. Isiah was under no pressure to make trades of that magnitude just because you think LB asked him to.

Coaches and managers in all sports typically make more and have longer contracts than their GM's. That isn't an excuse for the GM's to make trades that they don't think are in the best interests of the team.

It was after the trade deadline, in Memphis sometime around March 1st. ESPN reported Isiah was going to be fired, but in the layup line before the game Marbury had the biggest smile on his face that I'd seen since before Larry showed up and I knew that Dolan had had it with Brown.

You're right. That's my bad.

But I also don't think that it's hard to believe that all of a sudden Isiah and Dolan were down on Brown. Isiah wasn't forced to make those trades.
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10/31/2006  1:03 AM
This is no surprise. Dolan is not going to let Isiah do any trades until he proves this team can win.
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10/31/2006  1:05 AM
Posted by BigC:

This is no surprise. Dolan is not going to let Isiah do any trades until he proves this team can win.

eeerily similar to the final days of layden...
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10/31/2006  1:11 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Oh my goodness The Knicks are paying approximately $8mil of Mo's $9mil salary while he's playing for Sacramento and now are more than likely paying $14mil of Jalen's $16mil salary while he plays for some other team.


don't forget the extra $8 mil for mo and $14 mil for jalen in luxury.

"i got my mind on my money and my money on my mind" - snoop dolan dogg


But wait remember when Zeke explained why he traded for Jalen and Steve it was to collect assets to acquire a big chip but now that's not the focus anymore.

I'm not drinking the Fool-Aid.

Oh yeah? Where'd he say that?

where were you bro. isiah had a chat on this site with martin and andrew moderating it. it should be a sticky...probably in the nba board.

I haven't found the one article on what he said about acquiring assets but I did find this one in regards to what he said about acquiring Mo Taylor


Question: Can you explain what you mean by saying that Chris Webber's contract was a bit too big to take on?


Isiah Thomas: I think for us, to take on contracts that are, when a guy is making five or six million dollars, and you got a solid player, those are good contracts for us. But for us to try to take players right now at this stage in the game who are making in excess of $19, $20 million bucks, and they're over the age of 30, those don't necessarily work for our strategic plan right now. Maybe they would work for Philadelphia's or someone else, but right now, strategically, we're not in a position to do that. We can, we could, but I just don't think that is the healthy and secure way to go. But if you can get young players that are in the five or six million dollar range, and they come in, they work, and they're high quality people, and good character players, you do that. Now, Maurice Taylor falls in a different category. But again, you look at what we traded to get a Mo Taylor, I think we'll probably get better value out of those dollars from Maurice Taylor than we were from Vin Baker and Moochie Norris. In that third year that we have, it becomes a huge asset with his contract, that you can go and try to get another player with it.

LOL @ the Fool-Aid he was pooring here uhhhhhhh thanks for letting Mo Taylor walk freely Zeke.

http://www.insidehoops.com/isiah-conference-022405.shtml

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 10-31-2006 12:12 AM]
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10/31/2006  1:14 AM
I find it comical that he took a shot at Billy King about the Sixers acquiring Webber but then he goes this off-season and offers up Mo Taylor and Malik Rose for Webber when he said it was against their philosophy to do so.




[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 10-31-2006 12:15 AM]
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But for us to try to take players right now at this stage in the game who are making in excess of $19, $20 million bucks, and they're over the age of 30, those don't necessarily work for our strategic plan right now

bip will explain what that "strategic plan" is when he wakes up in the morning...



[Edited by - djsunyc on 10-31-2006 01:16 AM]
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10/31/2006  1:18 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BigC:

This is no surprise. Dolan is not going to let Isiah do any trades until he proves this team can win.

eeerily similar to the final days of layden...


Dolan has put the lock and chain on Isiah so he better produce.
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Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Oh my goodness The Knicks are paying approximately $8mil of Mo's $9mil salary while he's playing for Sacramento and now are more than likely paying $14mil of Jalen's $16mil salary while he plays for some other team.


don't forget the extra $8 mil for mo and $14 mil for jalen in luxury.

"i got my mind on my money and my money on my mind" - snoop dolan dogg


But wait remember when Zeke explained why he traded for Jalen and Steve it was to collect assets to acquire a big chip but now that's not the focus anymore.

I'm not drinking the Fool-Aid.

Oh yeah? Where'd he say that?

where were you bro. isiah had a chat on this site with martin and andrew moderating it. it should be a sticky...probably in the nba board.

I haven't found the one article on what he said about acquiring assets but I did find this one in regards to what he said about acquiring Mo Taylor


Question: Can you explain what you mean by saying that Chris Webber's contract was a bit too big to take on?


Isiah Thomas: I think for us, to take on contracts that are, when a guy is making five or six million dollars, and you got a solid player, those are good contracts for us. But for us to try to take players right now at this stage in the game who are making in excess of $19, $20 million bucks, and they're over the age of 30, those don't necessarily work for our strategic plan right now. Maybe they would work for Philadelphia's or someone else, but right now, strategically, we're not in a position to do that. We can, we could, but I just don't think that is the healthy and secure way to go. But if you can get young players that are in the five or six million dollar range, and they come in, they work, and they're high quality people, and good character players, you do that. Now, Maurice Taylor falls in a different category. But again, you look at what we traded to get a Mo Taylor, I think we'll probably get better value out of those dollars from Maurice Taylor than we were from Vin Baker and Moochie Norris. In that third year that we have, it becomes a huge asset with his contract, that you can go and try to get another player with it.

LOL @ the Fool-Aid he was pooring here uhhhhhhh thanks for letting Mo Taylor walk freely Zeke.

http://www.insidehoops.com/isiah-conference-022405.shtml

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 10-31-2006 12:12 AM]


hmm. I didn't realize Jalen Rose was actually Mo Taylor. Also, as I said earlier in the thread, clearly Dolan is the driving force behind this. I'm sure Isiah would love to keep the contracts around for a big trade. And I would think that most of the Isiah dislikers here would be happy he is not being allowed that opportunity. Personally I think they are assets and it hurts the team to not keep them around.


though I'm glad we dont have to see Jalen and Mo play anymore.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 31-10-2006 01:23 AM]
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10/31/2006  1:27 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Oh my goodness The Knicks are paying approximately $8mil of Mo's $9mil salary while he's playing for Sacramento and now are more than likely paying $14mil of Jalen's $16mil salary while he plays for some other team.


don't forget the extra $8 mil for mo and $14 mil for jalen in luxury.

"i got my mind on my money and my money on my mind" - snoop dolan dogg


But wait remember when Zeke explained why he traded for Jalen and Steve it was to collect assets to acquire a big chip but now that's not the focus anymore.

I'm not drinking the Fool-Aid.

Oh yeah? Where'd he say that?

where were you bro. isiah had a chat on this site with martin and andrew moderating it. it should be a sticky...probably in the nba board.

I haven't found the one article on what he said about acquiring assets but I did find this one in regards to what he said about acquiring Mo Taylor


Question: Can you explain what you mean by saying that Chris Webber's contract was a bit too big to take on?


Isiah Thomas: I think for us, to take on contracts that are, when a guy is making five or six million dollars, and you got a solid player, those are good contracts for us. But for us to try to take players right now at this stage in the game who are making in excess of $19, $20 million bucks, and they're over the age of 30, those don't necessarily work for our strategic plan right now. Maybe they would work for Philadelphia's or someone else, but right now, strategically, we're not in a position to do that. We can, we could, but I just don't think that is the healthy and secure way to go. But if you can get young players that are in the five or six million dollar range, and they come in, they work, and they're high quality people, and good character players, you do that. Now, Maurice Taylor falls in a different category. But again, you look at what we traded to get a Mo Taylor, I think we'll probably get better value out of those dollars from Maurice Taylor than we were from Vin Baker and Moochie Norris. In that third year that we have, it becomes a huge asset with his contract, that you can go and try to get another player with it.

LOL @ the Fool-Aid he was pooring here uhhhhhhh thanks for letting Mo Taylor walk freely Zeke.

http://www.insidehoops.com/isiah-conference-022405.shtml

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 10-31-2006 12:12 AM]


hmm. I didn't realize Jalen Rose was actually Mo Taylor. Also, as I said earlier in the thread, clearly Dolan is the driving force behind this. I'm sure Isiah would love to keep the contracts around for a big trade. And I would think that most of the Isiah dislikers here would be happy he is not being allowed that opportunity. Personally I think they are assets and it hurts the team to not keep them around.


though I'm glad we dont have to see Jalen and Mo play anymore.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 31-10-2006 01:23 AM]


You are right they aren't the same player unfortunately you are too slow to see the idiocy in Zeke in that link. One breath he says We'd never trade for Webber because he's 30+ and his salary is too large but this off-season he entertained possibly trading Mo Taylor, Malik and possibly Q for Chris Webber. If you want to continue to be the Fool that accepts this garbage be my guest, I'm just happy for myself I have enough incriminating material from the horse's mouth to go the other way.


[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 10-31-2006 12:28 AM]
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