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EnySpree
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10/25/2006  3:22 PM
Lee is better than frye. Frye just doesn't have that feel for the game that lee does. Frye is a ***** and Chris webber was killing him. Frye is afraid to get up in a player like lee. I'm sure lee will get his opportunity to break out but lee is too good not have on the court as long as possible.
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10/25/2006  3:31 PM
Lee is plaing really well. The one thing that he's not been doing so hot on is one-on-one post moves in the post. He always tries the same blow-by move. If he's going to try and play in the post, he needs to develop a little hook shot (especially since he's ambidextrous). I'm guessing, though, that he's using the preseason to sort through what works and what doesn't. If he continues to work over the next couple of years on his offense, he'll be on his way to greatness (ala Bradley).

Also, I like how Lee can dominate other team's bench guys. He really throws them for a loop. He's crafty yet all energy. He wouldn't be as successful against starting 4s in the league.

Don't forget that the players that Frye is playing against are of a completely different caliber than the second unit guys Lee is competing with. Webber may not be as explosive, but as you saw last night, he knows every trick in the book to frustrate the other players. Playing against guys like CWebb will eventually make Frye a much better player in the long run.
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10/25/2006  4:14 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Lee is better than frye. Frye just doesn't have that feel for the game that lee does. Frye is a ***** and Chris webber was killing him. Frye is afraid to get up in a player like lee. I'm sure lee will get his opportunity to break out but lee is too good not have on the court as long as possible.

Why are you hating on Frye. Frye has no faults. Stop being such a Nets fan.
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10/25/2006  4:15 PM
don't be surprised if malik works himself into minutes at the PF spot down the road.
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10/25/2006  4:25 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Why are you hating on Frye. Frye has no faults. Stop being such a Nets fan.

c'mon bro, start being realistic. Frye is a soft, slow footed center without confidence who can't rebound or play D. too bad we just extended his rookie contract. way to waste cap space Isiah
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10/25/2006  4:27 PM
I cannot believ how everybdy has flipped on Frye. He was the most consistent player on the team last year. Look at his numbers and he compares favorably to most of the star forwards in this league in thier rookie seasons.

I thought he was the second best player on the team last year. I don't want to hear about Crawford's 10 games, half of which were in the extra-extended garbage time of the season.

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10/25/2006  4:39 PM
Posted by oohah:

I cannot believ how everybdy has flipped on Frye. He was the most consistent player on the team last year. Look at his numbers and he compares favorably to most of the star forwards in this league in thier rookie seasons.

I thought he was the second best player on the team last year. I don't want to hear about Crawford's 10 games, half of which were in the extra-extended garbage time of the season.

oohah

nobody's flipping on frye. he's a good kid and he's a hard worker. but watching him this preseason, he actually looks worse than he did last year...when you would think/hope/expect that he would look better i.e. natural progression. the defense is just so glaringly bad it caught me by surprise (somewhat). i knew he was bad last year but now...i just don't what to say. he's in his 2nd year, he's a kid, he'll get better. but right now, if this year is really an ultimatum, then he and curry can't start together b/c i don't think the guards are good enough to make up for the frontcourt's deficiencies.
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10/25/2006  4:50 PM
I really think the added weight is troubling Frye. I mean, he's got a totally different body. It's like going through puberty again - you're going to be akward for a little while. He's going to have to work on his dexterity next summer as much as he worked to gain weight this offseason. Also, he'll have to find the right balance between mass and movement.

He does look a little slow, but we've seen he has the talent. He just needs to work things into a balance. I'm not worried for the long run.

We all just have to remember to be patient with him. Don't boo the poor guy if he gets toasted by Webber or KG or Duncan. jeez...
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10/25/2006  4:58 PM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by Bippity10:

Why are you hating on Frye. Frye has no faults. Stop being such a Nets fan.

c'mon bro, start being realistic. Frye is a soft, slow footed center without confidence who can't rebound or play D. too bad we just extended his rookie contract. way to waste cap space Isiah

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10/25/2006  5:01 PM
It's real early so take this with a grain of salt, but so far in preseason I'm liking the way Larry used him better than Isiah. Larry had him putting it on the floor and getting in close. Isiah's got him popping. It's like the difference between 'sheed under Brown and Flip.

I still like Frye, BTW, I just don't want him topping out at Juwan Howard. Don't even mean that as a dig against Howard, but we need go-to guys, and we need a star (not named Bury.)
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Posted by BlueSeats:

It's real early so take this with a grain of salt, but so far in preseason I'm liking the way Larry used him better than Isiah. Larry had him putting it on the floor and getting in close. Isiah's got him popping. It's like the difference between 'sheed under Brown and Flip.

I thought Brown went a bit too far though-- there were times Frye had his jumper mojo working but would hesitate on and/or pass up good looks on jumpers and take it to the basket for what turned out to be a lower percentage attempt. Although I will agree that the very early returns make it seem like Frye is a bit *too* eager to pop the J under Isiah-- sometimes too quickly or with a guy in his face or out of the flow of the offense. He needs to find a happy medium.
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10/25/2006  5:11 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

I cannot believ how everybdy has flipped on Frye. He was the most consistent player on the team last year. Look at his numbers and he compares favorably to most of the star forwards in this league in thier rookie seasons.

I thought he was the second best player on the team last year. I don't want to hear about Crawford's 10 games, half of which were in the extra-extended garbage time of the season.

oohah

nobody's flipping on frye. he's a good kid and he's a hard worker. but watching him this preseason, he actually looks worse than he did last year...when you would think/hope/expect that he would look better i.e. natural progression. the defense is just so glaringly bad it caught me by surprise (somewhat). i knew he was bad last year but now...i just don't what to say. he's in his 2nd year, he's a kid, he'll get better. but right now, if this year is really an ultimatum, then he and curry can't start together b/c i don't think the guards are good enough to make up for the frontcourt's deficiencies.


his knee injury may have effected his lateral quickness (not that he had much to begin with)... the added weight can't help his mobility either... what's troubling for me though, is that his shot isn't falling either... that was the 1 staple he had early last year that impressed me the most about him... w/o that consistent jumpshot of his & a reduced athleticism caused by his knee injury last year & the added weight, then the earlier comparison w/Juwan Howard isn't that far off, & i wouldn't even be talking about Juwan Howard in his prime either... but i think he'll get better as the season goes on.

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10/25/2006  5:44 PM
Lee raises the effort for the whole team. He tips so many passes, he gets after rebounds offensive or defense, he is an excellent outlet passer to start the break. AS SOON as he enterd the game yesterday we took over.

He is an impact player. He was one last yr too. EVERY fan saw that last yr. Brown cried for effort but yet sat Lee. Which is what makes people question Browns intentions to win last season. Lee proved himself as we went on a 6game win streak with him in the starting lineup. There was absolutly no reason for Taylor or Rose to get any burn over him at all. He gave us a better opportunity to win over even Q last season at SF even with his lack of quickness and inconsistant shot. As a matter of fact under Brown you would think that Lee would get more mins than even Frye.

Anyway, last night beleive it or not but Curry openned up all those 3s for us. He took the hit because they packed in the paint and stripped him many times. But that gave us many open 3 opportunities. As long as Crawford & Q can start hitting consistantly. We can put up some big pts.
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10/25/2006  6:42 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

I cannot believ how everybdy has flipped on Frye. He was the most consistent player on the team last year. Look at his numbers and he compares favorably to most of the star forwards in this league in thier rookie seasons.

I thought he was the second best player on the team last year. I don't want to hear about Crawford's 10 games, half of which were in the extra-extended garbage time of the season.

oohah

nobody's flipping on frye. he's a good kid and he's a hard worker. but watching him this preseason, he actually looks worse than he did last year...when you would think/hope/expect that he would look better i.e. natural progression. the defense is just so glaringly bad it caught me by surprise (somewhat). i knew he was bad last year but now...i just don't what to say. he's in his 2nd year, he's a kid, he'll get better. but right now, if this year is really an ultimatum, then he and curry can't start together b/c i don't think the guards are good enough to make up for the frontcourt's deficiencies.


He sucked last year in pre-season too
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Posted by newyorknewyork:

Lee raises the effort for the whole team. He tips so many passes, he gets after rebounds offensive or defense, he is an excellent outlet passer to start the break. AS SOON as he enterd the game yesterday we took over.

He is an impact player. He was one last yr too. EVERY fan saw that last yr. Brown cried for effort but yet sat Lee. Which is what makes people question Browns intentions to win last season. Lee proved himself as we went on a 6game win streak with him in the starting lineup. There was absolutly no reason for Taylor or Rose to get any burn over him at all. He gave us a better opportunity to win over even Q last season at SF even with his lack of quickness and inconsistant shot. As a matter of fact under Brown you would think that Lee would get more mins than even Frye.

Anyway, last night beleive it or not but Curry openned up all those 3s for us. He took the hit because they packed in the paint and stripped him many times. But that gave us many open 3 opportunities. As long as Crawford & Q can start hitting consistantly. We can put up some big pts.

can you say Camby in the making minus the shot blocking
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10/25/2006  7:03 PM
yep, I still think the shot blocking will come...he didn't start blocking shots in college until 4th year, he likes to feel his way and improve constantly.

After yesterday's post about his tentativeness (sp?), i watched and he didn't seem tentative, at times it appears he is holding back on the block to avoid foul trouble or vice versa.

The point about curry opening up the three's was key...he does seem to get stripped a bunch (hence the booing), it's like he should be jamming it and drawing the foul, or going right up with it, but there is no reason for him to get stripped in the paint and not go to the line immediately.

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10/25/2006  10:14 PM
Posted by oohah:

I cannot believ how everybdy has flipped on Frye. He was the most consistent player on the team last year. Look at his numbers and he compares favorably to most of the star forwards in this league in thier rookie seasons.

I thought he was the second best player on the team last year. I don't want to hear about Crawford's 10 games, half of which were in the extra-extended garbage time of the season.

oohah

Don't sweat it...Frye is our best player with the most upside....He will be the best Knick in 2 years..he is the our only young player with the game that has the upside to be an allstar...Lee is a nice player but is only a roll player....But they all play for the team I love so it's all good...
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10/25/2006  10:20 PM

One more thing..Lee has not defended a power forward yet this year...He had the luxury to playing a free loose game without much demands...He didn't have to man up Amare in Vegas or CWeeb in Philly...That will change during the season...
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10/25/2006  11:01 PM
madness...pure madness.

Go Frye and Curry and when one of them gets in foul trouble, bring in a fresh Lee.

The front court is a 3 big rotation with a sprinkle of JJ^2.

Oh...and cato and malik.

Back court is sorting itself out as well...start francis and marbury, which ever shows signs of faltering, in comes CrawDaddy.

Same goes to the 3 spot. Who ever is starting, balkman is the next man standing.

Tight rotation and we have Nate in the bucket in case there are injuries or extreme shooting/defense problems.

Like the way Nate played defense on Ashton.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-25-2006 11:02 PM]
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10/25/2006  11:36 PM
Balkman and QRich had a good pre-season in my opinion, Lee showed his game is improving and will be a fine addition to this rotation...But the person I think had the best pre-season was Zeke...He has the task to changing the mindset of this roster along with implementing a strategy for success on the court...By the look of things he is on the right path...It's only pre-season but the Knicks are 4-1..Just imagine what would happen on this board if they were 1-4...Players showing up to camp in shape, You say thats expected of them but it didn't happen last year...Players caring, like JJ being angry and crying because he couldn't participate in the preseason is showing they care...It's small but important...Thats said, there is ball movement and it's awesome, people cutting to the basket, players talking on defense, players huddling when they make mistakes is just a good sight to see after last year..Again it's only pre-season but Zeke is and will be the most scrutinized coach in the NBA this year...The collective masses are just waiting for him to fail, so far they have nothing bad to say and you know they are all looking for something...So hats off to Zeke so far, can't wait for this team to gel..I think it's will take a few months for things to really shape up once we get a set rotation ( And I guarantee it will happen this year)...I'm really looking forward to the young players on this team grow into men( hopefully this year) in the NBA...

[Edited by - holfresh on 10-25-2006 11:37 PM]
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