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10/18/2006  1:09 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
I think the best 3 player combo on the team chemistry wise is JCraw. Lee and Curry. I think those 3 should start. Thats hard for me to say because I'm a frye fan. But those 3 should start. Fill in who plays PG and SF

agreed... i'd pair those guys along w/Balkman & Nate as well in a dynamic 2nd unit (Curry will start though, but just for argument's sake)... i like the synergy between Craw & Curry, & Lee is a good defensive rebounder that can also run the floor well, so along w/Balkman & Nate you have a very energetic uptempo rotation there.

Marbury, Q & Frye seem to work well together as their games are well suited for a halfcourt style... Marbury can penetrate & dish out to those guys on the perimeter, or Q Rich can post up downlow when he's guarded by smaller G's & Marbury can patrol the perimeter... still not convinced at all that Marbury & Francis can work well together tho, as their games seem very redundant, but 1 thing's for sure is that you'll need Jared Jefferies back to make that work since neither Marbury or Francis are good perimeter defenders.
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10/18/2006  1:11 PM
Shooting 50% is fine. Don't foget, this is preseason. Players are working on getting their timing and seeing how the stuff they worked on over the summer is translating to the game. Yes, some of his shots were bad shots but what's important is that he's conscious of that. The bad Jamal had no conscience and would chuck away.

I also like how he seems to be getting off on setting people up to score rather than just look for himself.

I'm not worried bout JC.
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10/18/2006  1:14 PM
With the system that IT want to inplement Starting LineUp is more of a privrelege that anything else
And it is up to IT for which reason this privelege will be given to players - bacuse of great perofmance the other day, consistence, price tag, or just to keep you buddy in good mood (Marbs).
As soon as players having bad day, bad attitude, or just sucks will be quickly taken out of the game - its OK with me if anybidy will start.
From what I see we will have 8-9 20-30min players. Craf will probably be the one playing the biggest min. It's att that matters.

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10/18/2006  1:18 PM
yes, I agree, it's all about how games will be finished.

The starting lineup is just like the captaincy, just a title.

Curry, frye, jj2/qrich, marbury and francis will start every game and the first signs of trouble, the super subs will be bouncing in:
lee, balkman, nate, crawford, jj2/qrich.

The depth is key
Posted by arkrud:

With the system that IT want to inplement Starting LineUp is more of a privrelege that anything else
And it is up to IT for which reason this privelege will be given to players - bacuse of great perofmance the other day, consistence, price tag, or just to keep you buddy in good mood (Marbs).
As soon as players having bad day, bad attitude, or just sucks will be quickly taken out of the game - its OK with me if anybidy will start.
From what I see we will have 8-9 20-30min players. Craf will probably be the one playing the biggest min. It's att that matters.

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10/18/2006  1:22 PM
Just for arguments sake Isiah take 1 preseason game and start:
Curry
Lee
Qrich or Balkman
JCraw
Nate

Just try it and see how it goes in that 1 game.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/18/2006  1:35 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Just for arguments sake Isiah take 1 preseason game and start:
Curry
Lee
Qrich or Balkman
JCraw
Nate

Just try it and see how it goes in that 1 game.

And if Jeffries were around I'd like to see JC, Q, JJ2, Lee and Curry. I'm sure either would do fine. The question is if Marbury, Francis, and even Frye at this point, could handle it. And I don't mean handle it by saying the right thing to the press for one night in pre-season. I mean handle it if it appeared like an eventuality.

I think arkrud is right, the big names will have the honor of the start, but they'll be on a short leash and reserves will start coming in at around the 5-8 minute mark.





[Edited by - blueseats on 10-18-2006 1:36 PM]
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10/18/2006  1:36 PM
With the system that IT want to inplement Starting LineUp is more of a privrelege that anything else
And it is up to IT for which reason this privelege will be given to players - bacuse of great perofmance the other day, consistence, price tag, or just to keep you buddy in good mood (Marbs).
As soon as players having bad day, bad attitude, or just sucks will be quickly taken out of the game - its OK with me if anybidy will start.
From what I see we will have 8-9 20-30min players. Craf will probably be the one playing the biggest min. It's att that matters.

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10/18/2006  3:13 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Just for arguments sake Isiah take 1 preseason game and start:
Curry
Lee
Qrich or Balkman
JCraw
Nate

Just try it and see how it goes in that 1 game.

And if Jeffries were around I'd like to see JC, Q, JJ2, Lee and Curry. I'm sure either would do fine. The question is if Marbury, Francis, and even Frye at this point, could handle it. And I don't mean handle it by saying the right thing to the press for one night in pre-season. I mean handle it if it appeared like an eventuality.

I think arkrud is right, the big names will have the honor of the start, but they'll be on a short leash and reserves will start coming in at around the 5-8 minute mark.

[Edited by - blueseats on 10-18-2006 1:36 PM]

Starting guys based on their big names or salaries is an equation for losing games. When you have this Diava/Entitlement way of doing things expect 30 wins a year because it sends 100% the wrong message. You need to reward the guys that earn their minutes today not years ago. Frye could handle it just fine and he would often play better off the bench. Frye also might play his way back fast. You wnat guys playing hard to earn those spots. Not making some sort of glass ceiling that they never can break because so and so is Isiahs friends. Nepotism doesnt win games.

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/18/2006  3:24 PM
sugarRay... its the NBA way and a Knick standard. I dont like it either but its as much as fact of life as cops getting free coffee from the local 7-11 suck up. The only way around it is DONT BRING IN PRIMADONNA PLAYERS. That however is also a Knick standard.

Any GM that brings in guys like Franbury, Jalen Rose, Mo Taylor, etc simply knows and must deal with the fact that those divas must be played major minutes regardless of how effective they are at the time. Same with Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, etc... the list goes on.

You want unselfish play go get unselfish players.
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10/18/2006  3:27 PM
I really don't see what the big deal is with regard to how Isiah is using the players. Jamal is playing well in this system. How can anyone complain about how he's coming along. As a team we've been VERY efficient on offense, with the exception of FT's and TO's. FG% wise we're doing great. I don't think you guys realize that Steph isn't going full throttle. He's still one of our top players, he's just laying low so others can get off and get in the flow. If he was taking all the shotts then someone would say he's a horrible leader, but since he's allowing others to shine and meanwhile he's not even taking double digit shots per game, now he shouldn't start? Just ridiculous.

Look some of you just can't judge players fairly and you let your bias effect your view of them. The team is playing at a level we haven't seen before. How about we just let them continue to work on their game as a team and see where that takes us this year.
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10/18/2006  3:31 PM
Posted by fishmike:

sugarRay... its the NBA way and a Knick standard. I dont like it either but its as much as fact of life as cops getting free coffee from the local 7-11 suck up. The only way around it is DONT BRING IN PRIMADONNA PLAYERS. That however is also a Knick standard.

Any GM that brings in guys like Franbury, Jalen Rose, Mo Taylor, etc simply knows and must deal with the fact that those divas must be played major minutes regardless of how effective they are at the time. Same with Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, etc... the list goes on.

You want unselfish play go get unselfish players.


I live outside San Antonio. My uncle was one of the teams doctors for 16 years. Ive been extremely close to the team. I can tell you for a fact nobody on the Spurs starts based on their name or salary. If a guy doesnt earn his minutes then he doesnt play. Its as simple as that. Pop doesnt play these kinds of games
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/18/2006  3:32 PM
Posted by fishmike:

You want unselfish play go get unselfish players.

sounds like a plan to me.

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10/18/2006  4:07 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by fishmike:

sugarRay... its the NBA way and a Knick standard. I dont like it either but its as much as fact of life as cops getting free coffee from the local 7-11 suck up. The only way around it is DONT BRING IN PRIMADONNA PLAYERS. That however is also a Knick standard.

Any GM that brings in guys like Franbury, Jalen Rose, Mo Taylor, etc simply knows and must deal with the fact that those divas must be played major minutes regardless of how effective they are at the time. Same with Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, etc... the list goes on.

You want unselfish play go get unselfish players.


I live outside San Antonio. My uncle was one of the teams doctors for 16 years. Ive been extremely close to the team. I can tell you for a fact nobody on the Spurs starts based on their name or salary. If a guy doesnt earn his minutes then he doesnt play. Its as simple as that. Pop doesnt play these kinds of games
Ray, exactly my point

You want unselfish play go get unselfish players.
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10/18/2006  4:09 PM
who in the last 20 years on SA put themselves before the team? Rodman? They dumped him pretty quickly.

Comes down organizational philosophy doesnt it?
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10/18/2006  4:45 PM
How do any of you guys know what isiah is asking or expecting from the so called selfish players on this team? From what I can see, those very same guys aren't taking the most shots. PLEASE talk about something that actually HAPPENS first! Just more of the same negativity for no reason. This team is playing unselfishly for the 1st time in who knows how long and all we get is the same old crap. Let it go man!
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10/18/2006  5:10 PM
I still prefer this lineup to finish games:

Crawford (or Marbury)
Q Rich
Jalen Rose
Lee
Frye

Sh-t in the popcorn to go with sh-t on the court. Its a theme show like Medieval times.
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10/18/2006  5:27 PM
Posted by fishmike:

who in the last 20 years on SA put themselves before the team? Rodman? They dumped him pretty quickly.

Comes down organizational philosophy doesnt it?

there have been a few guys and they dumped them all fast. Some for on the court stuff. some for off the court stuff. SA is a large city but has a small city mentality. They want their players to be the "good guys" In fact all the media from tv to print calls them the "good guys" I think the local media is way too entwined with the team but thats a different subject. The bottom line is Those that earn pt should get pt. Those that earn the right to start should get the right to start. anything less is setting the bar too low and asking for less than optimal results.
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10/18/2006  5:39 PM
Craw is fine, He's streaky just like most of the guards in this league. I have seen many of the so-called "superstars" take bad shots, it's part of the game. Craw has been the difference maker in quite a few games since he's been here. He will help them win more than he will be responsible for helping them lose.
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10/18/2006  5:47 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Look some of you just can't judge players fairly and you let your bias effect your view of them.

Same to you pal.

I don't see how ANYONE has been unfair in their assesments. I've been pretty nice, I thought. I know I did nothing but praise Jamal.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-18-2006 5:48 PM]
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10/18/2006  6:37 PM
People can say what they want but atleast Jamal comes up big in the clutch. We have players that get paid 3 times as much as Crawford and are nowhere to be found in last 1 minute of a game. Nor do they want to even take the last shot.

[Edited by - BigC on 10-18-2006 6:38 PM]
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