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Nalod
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10/16/2006  1:34 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I guess you guys will NEVER give Isiah the benefit of the doubt? It seems as if some of us think he's clueless and has no sense about what he's doing. That he's somehow incapable of doing the right thing. While I agree he's not the best executive in the league, I also don't think he's the worst or nearly as bad as some make him out to be. The holes we have to fill are MINISCULE compared to many other teams. With just a couple good moves this team could be REALLY set. Until he does otherwise i'm going to at least assume that he can see what we also see and that he's at least trying to figure out how to fix the problems.

He doubled the cap and won 23 games with a team he construted. AND, they payed 60 mil in taxes.

AND he has an underperforming center whom he overpaid by mortgaging one lotto pick, maybe two.

Has he stands today, before the season he is the worst GM in professional sports.

So bad his owner is treating him like a dog and sticking his face in the feces he made!

How often does that happen?

When does a GM so suck that he is made to coach the crap he put together? ANd has a Sexual harrassement suit? And has fired 4 coaches in 2.5 years? And may have to pay another one for 4 years a record pay? IMagine the dumbness of making a coach the highest paid and firing him one year into a 5 year deal?

No, it does not get any dumber than that!

I really hope he turns it around! I'd like to win more games! But Isiah is really one of history's worst GM's in the modern era!
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10/16/2006  1:34 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I guess you guys will NEVER give Isiah the benefit of the doubt? It seems as if some of us think he's clueless and has no sense about what he's doing. That he's somehow incapable of doing the right thing. While I agree he's not the best executive in the league, I also don't think he's the worst or nearly as bad as some make him out to be. The holes we have to fill are MINISCULE compared to many other teams. With just a couple good moves this team could be REALLY set. Until he does otherwise i'm going to at least assume that he can see what we also see and that he's at least trying to figure out how to fix the problems.

He doubled the cap and won 23 games with a team he construted. AND, they payed 60 mil in taxes.

AND he has an underperforming center whom he overpaid by mortgaging one lotto pick, maybe two.

Has he stands today, before the season he is the worst GM in professional sports.

So bad his owner is treating him like a dog and sticking his face in the feces he made!

How often does that happen?

When does a GM so suck that he is made to coach the crap he put together? ANd has a Sexual harrassement suit? And has fired 4 coaches in 2.5 years? And may have to pay another one for 4 years a record pay? IMagine the dumbness of making a coach the highest paid and firing him one year into a 5 year deal?

No, it does not get any dumber than that!

I really hope he turns it around! I'd like to win more games! But Isiah is really one of history's worst GM's in the modern era!
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10/16/2006  1:35 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I guess you guys will NEVER give Isiah the benefit of the doubt? It seems as if some of us think he's clueless and has no sense about what he's doing. That he's somehow incapable of doing the right thing. While I agree he's not the best executive in the league, I also don't think he's the worst or nearly as bad as some make him out to be. The holes we have to fill are MINISCULE compared to many other teams. With just a couple good moves this team could be REALLY set. Until he does otherwise i'm going to at least assume that he can see what we also see and that he's at least trying to figure out how to fix the problems.


6 coach's, and half the guys he's collected being bought out. I agree the guy can change and fix the problems THAT HE HAS CAUSED, but you don't get credit until you do. We were mediocre when he got here. Then got worse and are now hoping to get back to mediocrity. Until this changes he's just not going to get the benefit of the doubt. This is reality. I just personally find it hard to believe that Don Chaney, Herb, Lenny, Herb, LB, Isiah equals well thought out plan. You can't buy out half your team, increase your payroll, fire all your coach'es, have coaches led out in hand cuffs, see your team as a league wide laughingstock and then get the benefit of the doubt. Remember hiring coaches and the image of the franchise is part of his job. We can't just ignore this stuff.

Now if he turns it all around he should get kudos for turning around his mistakes. But until that point I think he is being treated fairly. The general consensus is that he has done a great job drafting and poorly elsehwere. I think it's accurate.


[Edited by - bippity10 on 10-16-2006 1:37 PM]
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10/16/2006  1:50 PM
Good thread. I agree Fish, get Jalen out of here. Jalen is still a good player but he doesn't fit in with the Knicks current state. Jalen has game left and WILL fit in with a team that is contending for a championship and he will be good for them. I don't want Isiah to have any chance of trading an expiring contract in a itchy-trigger-finger move.
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10/16/2006  1:53 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Good thread. I agree Fish, get Jalen out of here. Jalen is still a good player but he doesn't fit in with the Knicks current state. Jalen has game left and WILL fit in with a team that is contending for a championship and he will be good for them. I don't want Isiah to have any chance of trading an expiring contract in a itchy-trigger-finger move.
good call...i dont trust his trades so a buyout is better.
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10/16/2006  2:07 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:

agreed. buy him out before he becomes a problem.


though my suspicion is that Isiah will hang on to him in hopes that he's doing well enough that Dolan lets him use Jalen's expiring deal come the deadline.
hows that turned out in the past? Have we learned nothing?

Most haven't been great but what about the deal where we got the two 1st rd picks from SA or the deal where we got Jamal and JYD from Chicago?

[Edited by - wsdm on 10-16-2006 2:07 PM]
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10/16/2006  2:08 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Good thread. I agree Fish, get Jalen out of here. Jalen is still a good player but he doesn't fit in with the Knicks current state. Jalen has game left and WILL fit in with a team that is contending for a championship and he will be good for them. I don't want Isiah to have any chance of trading an expiring contract in a itchy-trigger-finger move.

I agree with you there. The temptation to make a blockbuster to save a job is definitely there. It's a scary proposition. Pray for a quick start.
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10/16/2006  2:38 PM
wsdm

Those deals were terrible

He traded a servicable center and took on 19 million worth of salary to get the 29th and 30th picks, that deal is ****ing awful since picks that late can be purchased for a couple of million and not count in luxury taxes or salary cap

Crawford deal:

Was terrible, we gave the bulls cap room allowing them to get rid of JYD for expiring contracts and gave a player that not one other team made an offer to a 7 year contract when he proved nothing to date in that career.......

And Isiah has been the worst GM in the league so far when you factor in the public embarrashment of the franchise, the added payroll, the lack of wins, and over disinterest, he got the team off the national tv schedule for the first time in 15 years
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10/16/2006  3:02 PM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:

agreed. buy him out before he becomes a problem.


though my suspicion is that Isiah will hang on to him in hopes that he's doing well enough that Dolan lets him use Jalen's expiring deal come the deadline.
hows that turned out in the past? Have we learned nothing?

Most haven't been great but what about the deal where we got the two 1st rd picks from SA or the deal where we got Jamal and JYD from Chicago?

[Edited by - wsdm on 10-16-2006 2:07 PM]


we are well beyond where we were when those deals were made. those trades were to maximize the amount of talent we could get on our roster. now, our problem is redundant talent at every position. any player we bring in now will be fighting tooth and nail for minutes with players we mostly want to see on the floor. if we make trades, it shouldn't be with jalen, it should be with steph or steve or other rotation players to balance our roster out.
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10/16/2006  3:52 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:

agreed. buy him out before he becomes a problem.


though my suspicion is that Isiah will hang on to him in hopes that he's doing well enough that Dolan lets him use Jalen's expiring deal come the deadline.
hows that turned out in the past? Have we learned nothing?

Most haven't been great but what about the deal where we got the two 1st rd picks from SA or the deal where we got Jamal and JYD from Chicago?

[Edited by - wsdm on 10-16-2006 2:07 PM]


we are well beyond where we were when those deals were made. those trades were to maximize the amount of talent we could get on our roster. now, our problem is redundant talent at every position. any player we bring in now will be fighting tooth and nail for minutes with players we mostly want to see on the floor. if we make trades, it shouldn't be with jalen, it should be with steph or steve or other rotation players to balance our roster out.
An exp. contract could be an asset to include in such a trade
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10/16/2006  3:56 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:

agreed. buy him out before he becomes a problem.


though my suspicion is that Isiah will hang on to him in hopes that he's doing well enough that Dolan lets him use Jalen's expiring deal come the deadline.
hows that turned out in the past? Have we learned nothing?

well, I have. but I don't trust zeke at the deadline, he's like a last minute christmas shopper who overspends on christmas eve.... or something. yeah, he's horrible at the deadline. hopefully we're doing well but Dolan leaves the clamps on.
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10/16/2006  4:08 PM
lol.. what have you learned?
An exp. contract could be an asset to include in such a trade
expiring contracts are ONLY valuable to a team looking to dump a player with multiple years left.
We have
MArbury 3 more years
Francis 3 more years
Eddy 5 more years
Q 4 more years
Crawford 5 more years
Jerome rvhoss 4 more years
Jared 5 more years
Channing, Nate, Lee, Balkman, Collins in 2-3 year rookie deals

While adding more long term deals is a very Isiah like move it doesnt make any sense... hell, WE should be the ones trading FOR expiring deals. Hopefully some schlep of a team is willing to take a Marbury (nexer get traded) or Francis (I'm dreaming)
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10/16/2006  4:19 PM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by crzymdups:

agreed. buy him out before he becomes a problem.


though my suspicion is that Isiah will hang on to him in hopes that he's doing well enough that Dolan lets him use Jalen's expiring deal come the deadline.
hows that turned out in the past? Have we learned nothing?

Most haven't been great but what about the deal where we got the two 1st rd picks from SA or the deal where we got Jamal and JYD from Chicago?

[Edited by - wsdm on 10-16-2006 2:07 PM]


we are well beyond where we were when those deals were made. those trades were to maximize the amount of talent we could get on our roster. now, our problem is redundant talent at every position. any player we bring in now will be fighting tooth and nail for minutes with players we mostly want to see on the floor. if we make trades, it shouldn't be with jalen, it should be with steph or steve or other rotation players to balance our roster out.
An exp. contract could be an asset to include in such a trade


do the math. jalen= $16m. add that to any of the players we may be interested in moving, that's at least $20 million in salary coming back. but i'm sure it won't be any long term deals or anything so it's all good
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10/16/2006  4:52 PM
stockpiling "assets!"


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10/16/2006  11:09 PM
Maybe we buy him a plane?
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10/16/2006  11:16 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Maybe we buy him a plane?


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