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OasisBU
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11/19/2002  4:02 PM
I checked his schedule for the season and he will be playing in trenton NJ in feb. Anyone on the board intrerested in going to check out Lebron if tickets can be had? I think I might get some friends and go see hime if thats possible.
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11/19/2002  4:04 PM
My question is, and this is a general "how do they know" question: Since these kids are 17, 18 years old, is there an expectation they will get taller, or are they coveted "just as they are"? Lebron's 6'8", which is a nice, versatile SG/SF height, so I think scouts would like him as is. I think I'm asking because I didn't remember Kwame Brown being as tall as he is. Did he grow between 2001 draft and this year? For some reason, I thought he was a SF, but damn was I wrong!
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11/22/2002  2:48 PM
Posted by DefAndReb:

My question is, and this is a general "how do they know" question: Since these kids are 17, 18 years old, is there an expectation they will get taller, or are they coveted "just as they are"? Lebron's 6'8", which is a nice, versatile SG/SF height, so I think scouts would like him as is. I think I'm asking because I didn't remember Kwame Brown being as tall as he is. Did he grow between 2001 draft and this year? For some reason, I thought he was a SF, but damn was I wrong!

Brown came in at 6'11''. I think that players grow until they reach 25 years old. That is the case with all people.But it gets less noticeable after 18 and 19. Your example is great but I tell you there isn't a GM out there that wants players to stop growning. If LeBron ends up being 6'11'' they would love it. The player that went throgh a huge growth spurt is David Robinson. He started at Navy at 6'7'' and grew to 7'1'' by the time he was a senior.
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11/22/2002  4:56 PM
We all can see how Lebron plays because ESPN will televise one of his games on Dec. 11.
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11/22/2002  5:55 PM
Correction Lebron James will be on ESPN on Dec. 12.
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11/23/2002  9:53 PM
The few small minded arguments that I have heard against Labron James are the same I heard against Kobe, McGrady, Garnett, and to a lesser extent Jermaine O'neal. The collection of opines and analysis on Labron James from those who have seen him play, say that he is superior to all four in comparison to when the before mentioned players were at the high school level. And these opinions are not from his Labron's parents or his Don King like hype man, but respected basketball minds.

If the Knicks are lucky enough to get the number one pick (the mere prospect is all that keeps me going as a Knicks fan nowadays), and there is even a mention from somebody in the Knicks orginazation that they should not draft James, then they should be fired on the spot, because it would be obvious that the plan is not to build a championship, but to somehow derive pleasure in the torture of fans. But I doubt even the Knicks are capable of such an level of incompetence. L. James is an organization changing player, believe that.
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11/23/2002  10:04 PM
Posted by Andrew:
Posted by OasisBU:

The one problem I have with Lebron is this, his body type fits the college/pro level. He is playing against high school bodies - 5'9 and not too built according to the article. So maybe he is a good dunker and he is quick, but he also has no competition, making him look a little better then he is. How can they claim he is going to be truly great one day? I mean what I have seen looks impressive, but I just want to know how they seem to figure he is the next Magic or MJ based on the fact that he has been playing high school ball?

He has played against some good competition in games (last year against Carmello Anthoy's team that had at least 3 D1 players) and in camps.

It must also be pointed out that he participated in several scrimmages with the Cavs and some players, like seasoned veteran Bryant Stith were very impressed with what they saw from him.
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11/24/2002  2:19 PM
Given that the Knicks chances of landing the top pick are slim (like anybody else's), regardless of how poorly they play this season, but their chances of being in the top 5 are pretty strong, what other players look to be top lottery choices? Are there any other "immediate impact" players on the radar right now?
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11/24/2002  10:44 PM
Ok. Say we get the #1 pick. Chicago calls offering Tyson Chandler, Jay Williams and their #1 pick for our Lebron and filler. Would you do it? Then the phone rings and its the Clippers. They are offering a huge package. 'Kandi (sign and trade), Odom, Wilcox and Maggette for Kurt Thomas, Weatherspoon, Frank Williams and Lebron James. Would you trade Lebron for packages like these???
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11/24/2002  10:58 PM
Depending on how Odom played this year, I'd take the Clippers pick. If Odom can get his head on straight he has proven he has talent to be an All-NBA team caliber player. He has great size for the 3, and if he showed in the remainder of this season that he could be a superstar, then you'd get Kandi, Wilcox, and Maggette, too. I don't know how you can't pass that up. Odom would be the team's superstar, Kandi would be the best C in the East, Maggette can play shooting guard, McDyess would be coming back from an injury and even if he didn't play well, they'd have Wilcox. I would definitely do that.

The Chicago trade I'm not sure, because I'm not sold on either Chandler or Williams. If it was a trade up and they were giving up a pick between 6 and 10, then I'd do it, but if there was no other first rounder involved, I wouldn't do it.
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11/24/2002  11:59 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

Depending on how Odom played this year, I'd take the Clippers pick. If Odom can get his head on straight he has proven he has talent to be an All-NBA team caliber player. He has great size for the 3, and if he showed in the remainder of this season that he could be a superstar, then you'd get Kandi, Wilcox, and Maggette, too. I don't know how you can't pass that up. Odom would be the team's superstar, Kandi would be the best C in the East, Maggette can play shooting guard, McDyess would be coming back from an injury and even if he didn't play well, they'd have Wilcox. I would definitely do that.

The Chicago trade I'm not sure, because I'm not sold on either Chandler or Williams. If it was a trade up and they were giving up a pick between 6 and 10, then I'd do it, but if there was no other first rounder involved, I wouldn't do it.
i love the shaq quote. Shouldn't/Wouldn't trade Lebron for anyone, ever. If this guy is going to be the NEXT JORDAN/Magic/LEGEND - which no one - Kobe, T-Mac, Vince, etc. have done or become yet, you just don't trade him - for anyone, period. PERIOD. I don't think the clippers have really ever mad a bad trade, either.

would you say Jordan was worth: Odom, Kandi, Wilcox, Magette?

Odom is a puff away from taking a year off in a drug rehab center according to NBA rules,

Kandi as a serviceable center, but not a tim duncan,
wilcox - who has proved NOTHING yet in the NBA

and Magette, an athletic SG/SF, but basically generic.

The answer would be no. I know that Lebron hasn't proven anything, but the hype seems to be real...
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11/25/2002  12:04 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by BigSm00th:

Depending on how Odom played this year, I'd take the Clippers pick. If Odom can get his head on straight he has proven he has talent to be an All-NBA team caliber player. He has great size for the 3, and if he showed in the remainder of this season that he could be a superstar, then you'd get Kandi, Wilcox, and Maggette, too. I don't know how you can't pass that up. Odom would be the team's superstar, Kandi would be the best C in the East, Maggette can play shooting guard, McDyess would be coming back from an injury and even if he didn't play well, they'd have Wilcox. I would definitely do that.

The Chicago trade I'm not sure, because I'm not sold on either Chandler or Williams. If it was a trade up and they were giving up a pick between 6 and 10, then I'd do it, but if there was no other first rounder involved, I wouldn't do it.
i love the shaq quote. Shouldn't/Wouldn't trade Lebron for anyone, ever. If this guy is going to be the NEXT JORDAN/Magic/LEGEND - which no one - Kobe, T-Mac, Vince, etc. have done or become yet, you just don't trade him - for anyone, period. PERIOD. I don't think the clippers have really ever mad a bad trade, either.

would you say Jordan was worth: Odom, Kandi, Wilcox, Magette?

Odom is a puff away from taking a year off in a drug rehab center according to NBA rules,

Kandi as a serviceable center, but not a tim duncan,
wilcox - who has proved NOTHING yet in the NBA

and Magette, an athletic SG/SF, but basically generic.

The answer would be no. I know that Lebron hasn't proven anything, but the hype seems to be real...
wouldn't even trade lebron for KG
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11/25/2002  12:12 AM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by BigSm00th:

Depending on how Odom played this year, I'd take the Clippers pick. If Odom can get his head on straight he has proven he has talent to be an All-NBA team caliber player. He has great size for the 3, and if he showed in the remainder of this season that he could be a superstar, then you'd get Kandi, Wilcox, and Maggette, too. I don't know how you can't pass that up. Odom would be the team's superstar, Kandi would be the best C in the East, Maggette can play shooting guard, McDyess would be coming back from an injury and even if he didn't play well, they'd have Wilcox. I would definitely do that.

The Chicago trade I'm not sure, because I'm not sold on either Chandler or Williams. If it was a trade up and they were giving up a pick between 6 and 10, then I'd do it, but if there was no other first rounder involved, I wouldn't do it.
i love the shaq quote. Shouldn't/Wouldn't trade Lebron for anyone, ever. If this guy is going to be the NEXT JORDAN/Magic/LEGEND - which no one - Kobe, T-Mac, Vince, etc. have done or become yet, you just don't trade him - for anyone, period. PERIOD. I don't think the clippers have really ever mad a bad trade, either.

would you say Jordan was worth: Odom, Kandi, Wilcox, Magette?

Odom is a puff away from taking a year off in a drug rehab center according to NBA rules,

Kandi as a serviceable center, but not a tim duncan,
wilcox - who has proved NOTHING yet in the NBA

and Magette, an athletic SG/SF, but basically generic.

The answer would be no. I know that Lebron hasn't proven anything, but the hype seems to be real...
wouldn't even trade lebron for KG

how about Kobe or T-Mac?
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11/25/2002  12:33 AM
"how about Kobe or T-Mac?"-Kobe, no, Tmack, maybe. But that's just because I love McGrady.

I'm still not sold on LeBron, I can't wait to see his game on the 12th, because I've never seen him play.
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11/25/2002  1:38 AM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by BigSm00th:

Depending on how Odom played this year, I'd take the Clippers pick. If Odom can get his head on straight he has proven he has talent to be an All-NBA team caliber player. He has great size for the 3, and if he showed in the remainder of this season that he could be a superstar, then you'd get Kandi, Wilcox, and Maggette, too. I don't know how you can't pass that up. Odom would be the team's superstar, Kandi would be the best C in the East, Maggette can play shooting guard, McDyess would be coming back from an injury and even if he didn't play well, they'd have Wilcox. I would definitely do that.

The Chicago trade I'm not sure, because I'm not sold on either Chandler or Williams. If it was a trade up and they were giving up a pick between 6 and 10, then I'd do it, but if there was no other first rounder involved, I wouldn't do it.
i love the shaq quote. Shouldn't/Wouldn't trade Lebron for anyone, ever. If this guy is going to be the NEXT JORDAN/Magic/LEGEND - which no one - Kobe, T-Mac, Vince, etc. have done or become yet, you just don't trade him - for anyone, period. PERIOD. I don't think the clippers have really ever mad a bad trade, either.

would you say Jordan was worth: Odom, Kandi, Wilcox, Magette?

Odom is a puff away from taking a year off in a drug rehab center according to NBA rules,

Kandi as a serviceable center, but not a tim duncan,
wilcox - who has proved NOTHING yet in the NBA

and Magette, an athletic SG/SF, but basically generic.

The answer would be no. I know that Lebron hasn't proven anything, but the hype seems to be real...
wouldn't even trade lebron for KG

how about Kobe or T-Mac?
no to kobe and no to t-mac... although i'd take kobe over t-mac, just because t-mac has had a string of injuries that seem to be or the recurring, nagging variety...
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11/25/2002  9:37 AM
If Lebron survives this year in HS, and the Knicks get the #1 draft choice, then they will take him and keep him. Why - cause Management needs to have a "STAR" in the Garden to justify the cost of the seats. Dolan should know this.. The Knicks, even if they get the Kid will not be a contender until at least his second year. But he will be a draw...
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11/25/2002  10:15 AM
If the Knicks get him and trade him, then they would be pretty stupid. The players talked about trade wise are good solid - ROLLPLAYERS. You dont trade a potential star for rollplayers. EVER.
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11/25/2002  2:50 PM

how about Kobe or T-Mac?
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I wouldn't trade LeBron for either T-Mac and Kobe. This is why. The Knicks need a superstar that is their own a Homegrown superstar. It is important for the KNicks to have a franchise player that is their draft pick. This player than can take the identity of the team as his team. Similar to the greats that played before. Majic had his Lakers, Jordan will always be a Bull and Bird was always a Celtic. Hakeem will be remembered as a Rocket and Ewing will always be remembered as a Knick. It is important for the KNicks to build around their pick similar to the way they built around Ewing. Houston, Spree, LJ were players that were brought in to compliment the franchise player Ewing.

If you look at the past every championship team had a superstar that they drafted and to win a championship you have to have a player that the team picks. Have you ever seen a team win a championship that brought all their players through trade and free agency. Lakers are the only one that come close but you have to remember that Kobe was traded to the Lakers and never played a game with the Hornets much less suit up for them. To win a championship the Knicks have to have a player that is a superstar that they draft.
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11/25/2002  4:14 PM
ever notice how majority of the players brought here after Ewing left dont really identify with the NY uniform? Harrington....Anderson....Eisley....maybe Mcdyess will, but I think for the most part Ewing had a lot to do with why people loved coming to play here. Why they would put effort out on the court - since he left there has been a lot missing besides his 7ft presence. We need another home grown star like was stated above - someone who can identify with this team and someone who will make other people excited to come play here.
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