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wsdm
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10/15/2006  8:48 AM
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If you put the picks in the context of the 2007 Draft... which is speculated to be one of the biggest ever(talent wise) then you could see objectively that we will be adding a talented player through the draft next year regardless of what records anyone has at the end of the season.
I can agree with that, but I'd rather have a top 10 pick than a late 1st rounder when it comes down to it in this situation. We argued this last year. Sure there is talent but the better talent gets taken sooner.By this quote are you saying there will be no difference talent wise between pick say 10 and pick say 26?

I think he's saying simply that you're downplaying a 20s pick too much. It could easily be another David Lee type player, which would be great for the team.
I think the bold part is your new reply. Just to be fair, you are getting Eddy Curry out of it. You're not just switching #10 and 26 with no compensation. I'd still agree that I'd rather have pick #10, but I haven't given up all hope for Curry proving me wrong.

And I said that we got Stay Puft when I went through the origional trade. I'd rther have the two picks than Curry. Main reason the two picks give us alot of flexibility and I think if we could put Channing at C, and Lee at PF and be fine.

I agree. I'd love to have Frye at C and Lee at PF in the SL.
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10/15/2006  8:52 AM
Posted by joec32033:
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Posted by nyvector16:

If you put the picks in the context of the 2007 Draft... which is speculated to be one of the biggest ever(talent wise) then you could see objectively that we will be adding a talented player through the draft next year regardless of what records anyone has at the end of the season.
I can agree with that, but I'd rather have a top 10 pick than a late 1st rounder when it comes down to it in this situation. We argued this last year. Sure there is talent but the better talent gets taken sooner.By this quote are you saying there will be no difference talent wise between pick say 10 and pick say 26?

I think he's saying simply that you're downplaying a 20s pick too much. It could easily be another David Lee type player, which would be great for the team.
I think the bold part is your new reply. Just to be fair, you are getting Eddy Curry out of it. You're not just switching #10 and 26 with no compensation. I'd still agree that I'd rather have pick #10, but I haven't given up all hope for Curry proving me wrong.

And I said that we got Stay Puft when I went through the origional trade. I'd rther have the two picks than Curry. Main reason the two picks give us alot of flexibility and I think if we could put Channing at C, and Lee at PF and be fine.

We still expected Allan Houston to play, when we traded for Curry guys...

People were talking like it was a lock for us to make the playoffs, so the picks didn't seem like a big deal. Then Allan retires (like 2 weeks later) and things go south.. How quickly we forget

Allan and Steph were talked about as this dangerous backcourt that didn't get time the year before. Add Curry to the mix with Q at sf and you've got firepower. Ahhhhh what coulda been


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10/15/2006  8:57 AM
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Posted by nyvector16:

If you put the picks in the context of the 2007 Draft... which is speculated to be one of the biggest ever(talent wise) then you could see objectively that we will be adding a talented player through the draft next year regardless of what records anyone has at the end of the season.
I can agree with that, but I'd rather have a top 10 pick than a late 1st rounder when it comes down to it in this situation. We argued this last year. Sure there is talent but the better talent gets taken sooner.By this quote are you saying there will be no difference talent wise between pick say 10 and pick say 26?

I think he's saying simply that you're downplaying a 20s pick too much. It could easily be another David Lee type player, which would be great for the team.
I think the bold part is your new reply. Just to be fair, you are getting Eddy Curry out of it. You're not just switching #10 and 26 with no compensation. I'd still agree that I'd rather have pick #10, but I haven't given up all hope for Curry proving me wrong.

And I said that we got Stay Puft when I went through the origional trade. I'd rther have the two picks than Curry. Main reason the two picks give us alot of flexibility and I think if we could put Channing at C, and Lee at PF and be fine.

We still expected Allan Houston to play, when we traded for Curry guys...

People were talking like it was a lock for us to make the playoffs, didn't seem like a big deal. Then Allan retires (like 2 weeks later) and things go south.. How quickly we forget

Allan and Steph were talked about as this dangerous backcourt that didn't get time the year before. Add Curry to the mix with Q at sf and you've got firepower. Ahhhhh what coulda been

Haven't forgotten that, but Allan was having major problems at that point (we got Curry Oct, 3-Allan retired Oct 17-it's not like it was a surprise).

Also realistically looking back after the excitement faded of getting Curry-how much of a difference maker did we expect him to be? No organized ball in months, unable to work out, new team, new coach....That's alot.
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10/15/2006  9:06 AM
The goal for the year is to make the playoffs. I don't think anyone cares if we give Chicago the 14th pick and have to take the 20th pick again. The only real concern is if we giveup another lottery pick and that pick moves up to the top-3. I really don't think it even matters if Chicago gets a #10-#13 pick from us. IT has shown that he can find talent at the end of the first round. Fyre should have been a top-4 pick. Lee and Nate should have been picked in the teens. Balkman was picked about right but if he develops a jumpshot, he should have been picked in the low teens. Collins might have been picked a little high (probably not though because the experts predicted he would go around the 29th pick), but the kid is a great defensive player and can still develop his offense to justify his pick (in fact, if he develops a jumpshot he would be another player that should have been picked in the teens b/c he looks like he can become a lockdown defender). Ariza should have been picked in the first round. Simply put, I think IT can get lottery caliber talent in the late teens/early 20s. So the only thing I worry about is that our pick moves up and Chicago gets Oden or Noah. As long as we avoid that occurence, I still like the Curry trade (assuming he improves his defense).
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10/15/2006  9:26 AM
As long we aren't in the lottery, not much harm after LB screwed us.
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10/15/2006  10:01 AM
yep, the big argument has been that we gave up an unprotected.

we make the playoffs, the lopsidedness of the trade tilts back to the knicks.

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10/15/2006  10:02 AM
every win, preseason or otherwise, is a smack to LBs face.

we added one additional player and a rookie that everyone hates.

if we win 1 more game, it's a huge success and validation in the roster IMHO.
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10/15/2006  10:37 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

if we win 1 more game, it's a huge success and validation in the roster IMHO.
I agree with you for the most part but the only way we prove anything is by making the playoffs this year. Its extremely important that the Knicks do not give up a lottery pick.
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10/15/2006  12:49 PM
If Sweetney does not start taking his weight seriously he will be out of league this year. And this is suppose to be his contract year.
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10/15/2006  12:55 PM
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If Sweetney does not start taking his weight seriously he will be out of league this year. And this is suppose to be his contract year.
Great point. He might have a shorter career than Tractor trailer.

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10/15/2006  12:59 PM
believe this...jackie b will follow in his footsteps...don't think Zeke saving his career didn't have something to do with his performance for the knicks and LB.

without zeke there to help encourage him, LB2 in San Antonio is not going to tolerate his mental errors at the end of games.

His thread will be started around the all star break.

I think there are certain players that perform well in new york, and outside of new york, they are back to the junk heap.

New York fans love heaping praise on the loveable losers. Cities like Boston, Chicago and Philly have no patience for that nonsense.

New York hates high priced under achievers (arod, mvp of the league) Boston loves Paul Pierce.
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10/15/2006  1:00 PM
crazy post alert...

That was a coffee laced random post...feel free to rip it to shreds as I have no plans to defend anything in it.
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10/15/2006  1:25 PM
We gave up the #2 pick and a pick that no one knows where it will go, for Curry and a pick that no one knows where it will go.

IF the Bulls win 50+ games, and the Knicks win 30ish, the trade is two lottery picks for Curry and a pick in the 20's.

IF the Bulls win 50+ games and the Knicks win 40something, the trade is 1 high lottery pick and 1 mid to upper teens pick for CUrry and a pick in the 20's

Seems like a lot of argument based on the assumption (NOT fact) that everything will go great for the Bulls and the Knicks will only be a 30something win team. This for a team that should have won 40something games last year if not for the trainwreck. A team that made solid improvements to the balance of the roster in the offseason. I seriously doubt we are going to be a 30something win team. And no, that doesn't mean we are going to be worse.
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10/15/2006  1:26 PM
hence the argument being so strange as those that use it are only using it to say subtlely that the knicks will suck this year.

that's all, if they really thought that the knicks were going to do well, the argument would be moot.
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