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EnySpree
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10/14/2006  12:38 PM
Where was the negativity? Isiah was just hyped up. He sounded a lot like me to tell you the truth. He sounded like anybody that I grew up around playing basketball. He wasn't yelling at David lee. He was hyping him up. It was great when I see him like that It has me hyped. That's the way I would be in the gym coaching my team. Its a beautiful thing.

I don't see how anyone can find anything negative about that exchange. Its beautiful. Isiah is rallying his troops. If the coach is like that then the players will be encouraged to be that way and that will only add to the winning. The guys looked together. That just hasn't been the case for a long time.
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10/14/2006  12:39 PM
Posted by 4949:

Under 'normal' circumstances, this is a very good basketball team and would have been last year, if for not the unfortunate events that took place. But I'm willing to move on with that stuff already. LOL!

That is the point i've been trying to make on several Forums all summer. When I looked at what Isiah had brought in starting last year, I saw a team that was talented enough to win games if used the right way. To me a coach sometimes has to work with the talent he has and not just try to force them to totally change into something they're not. I like what Isiah is doing and I only want to see them continue to jell and improve as individual players and as a team.

Since Isiah is actually TRYING to reach these guys and make them a cohesive unit, you can now see just what many of us saw in this team. It's not like we had a bunch of scrubs. We just needed proper direction and to build up the players confidence. Let's just hope this continues all year as it should.

One other thing I liked was how the team didn't panic when the Nets went into a Zone. I kept hearing how we would be suseptible to the zone cuz we don't have shooting. My contention is that you really don't want to just try to shoot your way out of the zone if you don't have the shooting. just move and make good passes and that's what the Knicks did. Just remember how we looked against zones last year and that says a lot about what a good job Isiah did in his short camp compared to the 9 day marathon last year then during the season LB said we didn't work on beating the zone. This isn't to say that Isiah is a better coach than LB, just that I like the way the team reacted to the zone this time. For THIS GROUP Isiah may be the right guy.
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10/14/2006  12:40 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by nixluva:

It's funny to me that the team comes out and does EXACTLY what we want them to do and there's a complaint about the way Isiah coaches. This guy can't get any respect with some people. That team looked so much different than any Knick team i've seen in the last 25 years. You'd have to go back to the Clyde teams to find the team sharing the ball that much and moving that well (and no i'm not saying this team is that good). I just hope they continue to improve and jell.

We may just have a team to really get behind again. Don't Lee and Balkman just give you goose bumps? These are 2 guys that Isiah took some flak for drafting. Lee they said he should've taken a chance on a high potential guy with that pick and Balkman we all know they wanted us to take Williams and get Balkman later. No matter how he got them I love the way they play and with Williams, he's a very big talent, but I don't think we needed him, so i'm glad we got Balkman. Remember that in Isiah's system you don't really rely on great PG play. Its a team passing game and really doesn't focus on a traditional PG for plays to be executed.


I think that we on the board have become so accustomed to bad mouthing whatever the KNicks do it hard for some to change their ways about the Knicks. That I think is also a work in progress just like the Knicks are. That will eventually fade as the wins mount in the course of the season. But if losing isn't resolved then the tone will be the same as it has been since the losing trend started.

I remember the board when most everyone thought the Knicks could do no wrong. The Knicks were a team worth bragging about, we need these days back again. Lets hope the team is going in the right direction, because Isiah seems to close to helping the Knicks players turn the corner on the losing. Lets hope that he can make it a reality for us all.

Man, it was his opinion that he doesn'y like the way Zeke as motivating his players. That's it, you don't have to like the way a coach conducts his business in order respect them as a coach. I hate the way Larry goes to the media, but I LOVE the brand of ball he teaches.

As for Isiah, that is a clip. For one, in segments like that he knows he's miked, I'm sure he's a little bit more creative wth the language in private and unmiked. I personally prefer Rile's warrior mentality, be a man and take responsibility, beat the world approach(never seen him miked up but read his book) than Isiah's don't be the victim -prove people wrong approach, but whatever works.

This team (most of them) want to play the victim, the wronged man- and that's fine for them. If this is how Isiah needs to coach then so be it.

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10/14/2006  2:06 PM
Where do you see the knicks playing victim? Everyone has manned up to last year and have all said the right things about making it count this year.

Riley has a warrior beat the world approach but isn't that what isiah is doing? Isiah if anything is empowering his players to show the world what they can do. His enthusiasm is great. To me that's the way it should be.

No one even mentioned isiahs body language on the bench. Isiah looked confident almost ****y. I also like his pressence in the huddle. The first time the grouped together before the tip it looked like isiah was confronting marbs in front of everyone. I'm sure he was reminding marbs what the climate of the game was.

Dude I'm loving it. No one can say anything bad about the knicks. The proof was for all to see yesterday.

Jared jefferies is not a tard! I been calling him that all off season. Like I said the proof was yesterday.
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10/14/2006  3:05 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

He was annoying. I miss the days of riley an van gundy so it is tough to watch a guy take a totally different approach and one that I am not comfortable with.

This is a new Erra and a New Generation of players. Did you hear Q Rich talking after the game? The guy sounds like some of my friends from High School... Its a new breed, I think the players are gunna buy into his style.. He talks like hes one of them... If we had a tough team we could use a tough coach (example - Detroit Larry Brown) But we dont, we have a flashy athletic team so it needs to be coached that way
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10/14/2006  4:32 PM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by CrushAlot:

He was annoying. I miss the days of riley an van gundy so it is tough to watch a guy take a totally different approach and one that I am not comfortable with.

This is a new Erra and a New Generation of players. Did you hear Q Rich talking after the game? The guy sounds like some of my friends from High School... Its a new breed, I think the players are gunna buy into his style.. He talks like hes one of them... If we had a tough team we could use a tough coach (example - Detroit Larry Brown) But we dont, we have a flashy athletic team so it needs to be coached that way

You got it right this is the new era. I remember when I went to school spanking as a punishment was a given for screwing up in school. Then the rules got lax and soon the teachers weren't allowed to spank anyone. The coaches of hard knocks are a thing of the past everyone is trying to change to accomidate the players need. I just heard Ric Bucher just say that Musselman is trying to change his rough coaching tactic to meet the needs of the players in Sac town.

You can get on Isiah for being soft on the players but I think there is a way to be soft on the players but still get a lot out of the players. Because being rough on players with guaranteed contracts is a recipe for disaster as we already found out with the last coach.
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10/14/2006  4:43 PM
We've had one preseason game. Coach Thomas and the Knicks did good. Now they have something positive to build on. I think a lot of guys hoped / thought that Isiah would be a good coach for this team, even if they liked some other coach, or disliked Isiah as GM or whatever.

Isiah relates to these players better than that other guy did. Maybe it is a generational thing.

It was just one game so I don't want to get carried away. We definitely need a few more games to see if we've got a trend here.
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10/14/2006  5:07 PM
Eny Wrote
Where do you see the knicks playing victim? Everyone has manned up to last year and have all said the right things about making it count this year.

Riley has a warrior beat the world approach but isn't that what isiah is doing? Isiah if anything is empowering his players to show the world what they can do. His enthusiasm is great. To me that's the way it should be.

Here is the difference(say it's the hypothetical situation of the first practice after last season-these are just quotes that I made up that I think summarize style of the coaches)-

Isiah- "You guys didn't do well because of the coach last year. That's over now. Everyone is against you because you weren't allowed to perform because the other system wasn't right for you. You have to prove to everyone that you are the player you are capable of being. I can teach you to do that."


Riley- "You guys showed no heart last year. No desire. The whole world thinks you are not men. They are challenging your manhood as we speak. It is your job to prove each and every individual-and there are many-that doubt all of you. It is time to prove you have the intestinal fortitude to succeed here. All of you have something to prove because noone can take responsibility for how you perform but yourself."

That is the difference between Riley and Isiah. And it is not a knock on Isiah, but the players, and not just our players. There are not many players-young ones especially-that can succeed under Riley with his attitude. I personally think if Steph had Riley as his coach he would either be the best PG in the league or the fallout from the explosion between him and Riles would be 100x worse than the one between him and Brown.
No one even mentioned isiahs body language on the bench. Isiah looked confident almost ****y. I also like his pressence in the huddle. The first time the grouped together before the tip it looked like isiah was confronting marbs in front of everyone. I'm sure he was reminding marbs what the climate of the game was.

Dude I'm loving it. No one can say anything bad about the knicks. The proof was for all to see yesterday.

Jared jefferies is not a tard! I been calling him that all off season. Like I said the proof was yesterday.

Personally, when we hired Isiah 4 seasons ago I was excited because I thought he was the coach. Then I found out we hired him as a GM and was like, ok, but I prefer him as coach. I have no problem with Isiah the coach (other than making his offense sound like some sort of life's work piece of art when it is basically the same type of offense Pitino tried to institiute with the Celtics 10 years ago). I have no problem with his coaching style if it actually reaches the players(although I am a little dismayed it took $50 mil and a career threatening move to put him behind the bench of a team he was best suited to coach to begin with).



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10/14/2006  5:18 PM
if there was only a way to make Isiah coach & Pesident of draft operations and hire a new GM we would be golden
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10/14/2006  5:30 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

if there was only a way to make Isiah coach & Pesident of draft operations and hire a new GM we would be golden


That's so crazy it just might work!


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10/14/2006  5:51 PM
i dont think he was being soft at all
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10/14/2006  6:26 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Where was the negativity? Isiah was just hyped up. He sounded a lot like me to tell you the truth. He sounded like anybody that I grew up around playing basketball. He wasn't yelling at David lee. He was hyping him up. It was great when I see him like that It has me hyped. That's the way I would be in the gym coaching my team. Its a beautiful thing.

I don't see how anyone can find anything negative about that exchange. Its beautiful. Isiah is rallying his troops. If the coach is like that then the players will be encouraged to be that way and that will only add to the winning. The guys looked together. That just hasn't been the case for a long time.

I'm not sure who your referring to, but I was talking about CrushAlot's negative post of Zeke coaching. I agree with your analysis of coach Zeke.

I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/14/2006  6:32 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by 4949:

Under 'normal' circumstances, this is a very good basketball team and would have been last year, if for not the unfortunate events that took place. But I'm willing to move on with that stuff already. LOL!

That is the point i've been trying to make on several Forums all summer. When I looked at what Isiah had brought in starting last year, I saw a team that was talented enough to win games if used the right way. To me a coach sometimes has to work with the talent he has and not just try to force them to totally change into something they're not. I like what Isiah is doing and I only want to see them continue to jell and improve as individual players and as a team.

Since Isiah is actually TRYING to reach these guys and make them a cohesive unit, you can now see just what many of us saw in this team. It's not like we had a bunch of scrubs. We just needed proper direction and to build up the players confidence. Let's just hope this continues all year as it should.

One other thing I liked was how the team didn't panic when the Nets went into a Zone. I kept hearing how we would be suseptible to the zone cuz we don't have shooting. My contention is that you really don't want to just try to shoot your way out of the zone if you don't have the shooting. just move and make good passes and that's what the Knicks did. Just remember how we looked against zones last year and that says a lot about what a good job Isiah did in his short camp compared to the 9 day marathon last year then during the season LB said we didn't work on beating the zone. This isn't to say that Isiah is a better coach than LB, just that I like the way the team reacted to the zone this time. For THIS GROUP Isiah may be the right guy.

My biggest fear right now is, I might have to go back on my words about and for Brown. I might have to admit he was just completely wrong for this team. But I still would have liked the chance to see if he could have turned it all around. Oh well.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/14/2006  6:43 PM
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by CrushAlot:

He was annoying. I miss the days of riley an van gundy so it is tough to watch a guy take a totally different approach and one that I am not comfortable with.

This is a new Erra and a New Generation of players. Did you hear Q Rich talking after the game? The guy sounds like some of my friends from High School... Its a new breed, I think the players are gunna buy into his style.. He talks like hes one of them... If we had a tough team we could use a tough coach (example - Detroit Larry Brown) But we dont, we have a flashy athletic team so it needs to be coached that way

You got it right this is the new era. I remember when I went to school spanking as a punishment was a given for screwing up in school. Then the rules got lax and soon the teachers weren't allowed to spank anyone. The coaches of hard knocks are a thing of the past everyone is trying to change to accomidate the players need. I just heard Ric Bucher just say that Musselman is trying to change his rough coaching tactic to meet the needs of the players in Sac town.

You can get on Isiah for being soft on the players but I think there is a way to be soft on the players but still get a lot out of the players. Because being rough on players with guaranteed contracts is a recipe for disaster as we already found out with the last coach.

We got our hands smacked by the pointer stick they used to have in some class rooms. I saw one kid get almost choked to death by the old gym teacher. Those' were hard knocks!

A spanking would have been nice.


[Edited by - 4949 on 10-14-2006 6:47 PM]
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/14/2006  9:40 PM
he's not a player he just crushalot
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10/14/2006  11:08 PM
hey isiah was groovin' with the guys on this clip. he was feelin' everybody and they were feelin' him back. wtf? the knicks are 2-0. when's the last time that happened?????
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