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If you could dump Marbury and go forward with our mix of youth, would you do it? Keep Francis and start him with Craw. Q is the first shooting guard off the bench, and nate is the sparkplug. Does the team seem more balanceed without him. Say trade him for expiring "eddie jones" type player. Then let that contract and Jailen expire.
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wsdm
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10/10/2006  3:07 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Maybe he would consider Francis who has 1/10 the baggage and makes 2-3 mill a year less but still very doubtful. He could just as easily trade for another PG at half the cost. They dumped guys like Wells because they were bad for the teams morale. I dont see Jerry West taking on Marbs

Francis has 1/10 the baggage of Marbury? Are you serious? They both have baggage but Marbury's teams have accomplished (a little) more and Marbury's the much better passer and shooter.
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10/10/2006  3:22 PM
I think Francis actually has more baggage. MArbury just acts like a me first selfish player, Francis has outright admitted it.

Both are idiots. What kind of a GM trades for one, let alone both?
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10/10/2006  3:25 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Why would Jerry West give up an expirirng to take one of the most overpaid players in the NBA who also brings a ton fo baggage with him? I'd do that trade tomorrow. I just dont think a hoops genius like west would do it.


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why is West considered a "Hoops Genius"? Because he traded for Kobe?

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I agree that a trade like this is possible, I wouldn't do it. The bashers hate to admit it but Marbury IS a point guard. The fact that you guys actually believe that Crawford is capable of running the point full time just shows me that ya know little about this team or basketball.
Made a great trade with the Cavs in order to draft James Worthy #1
Traded for Kobe
Traded/signed Shaq
Turned around a Lakers team that had been floundering. Well acknowledged even as a player for a very high basketball intelligence.
Took over the Griz when they were the worst team in basketball and turned them around in 2 years
Many think the Battier for Gay trade was a good one.


I dont give him credit for Kobe because Kobe was pulling a Francis out in Charlotte.

and I DON'T give him credit for Shaq because LA was the only place Shaq was going to anyway.

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10/10/2006  3:33 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Why would Jerry West give up an expirirng to take one of the most overpaid players in the NBA who also brings a ton fo baggage with him? I'd do that trade tomorrow. I just dont think a hoops genius like west would do it.


off topic
why is West considered a "Hoops Genius"? Because he traded for Kobe?

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I agree that a trade like this is possible, I wouldn't do it. The bashers hate to admit it but Marbury IS a point guard. The fact that you guys actually believe that Crawford is capable of running the point full time just shows me that ya know little about this team or basketball.
Made a great trade with the Cavs in order to draft James Worthy #1
Traded for Kobe
Traded/signed Shaq
Turned around a Lakers team that had been floundering. Well acknowledged even as a player for a very high basketball intelligence.
Took over the Griz when they were the worst team in basketball and turned them around in 2 years
Many think the Battier for Gay trade was a good one.


I dont give him credit for Kobe because Kobe was pulling a Francis out in Charlotte.

and I DON'T give him credit for Shaq because LA was the only place Shaq was going to anyway.

~Finestrg
Good post

Well his reputation is well earned. Kobe wasnt Kobe when he was drafted. He went to the Hornots with the 14th pick I believe. Divacs for the 14th pick was a fair trade at the time. That Kobe trade was arragned draft night I believe and Shaq may not have signed with LA if not for West. Shaq respected West tremendously. I also didnt even mention the frank Brickowski for Micheal Thompson trade that probably won the Lakers a championship for his ability to guard Kevin Mchale.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/10/2006  3:53 PM
The Abreau deal was not really all its cracked up to be, yes it help them get to the playoffs, however he is making close to 15 million this coming year and lidle is making over three so you took on 18 million for the coming year for a pitcher that can't get it down and someone vastly overpaid at his position....

They would have been better off without the move and would have had room to sign a Tori Hunter/Vernon Wells improving their outfield defense while pushing Damon over
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10/10/2006  3:56 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Why would Jerry West give up an expirirng to take one of the most overpaid players in the NBA who also brings a ton fo baggage with him? I'd do that trade tomorrow. I just dont think a hoops genius like west would do it.


off topic
why is West considered a "Hoops Genius"? Because he traded for Kobe?

On Topic
I agree that a trade like this is possible, I wouldn't do it. The bashers hate to admit it but Marbury IS a point guard. The fact that you guys actually believe that Crawford is capable of running the point full time just shows me that ya know little about this team or basketball.


Marbury might be a point guard- but I think Crawford is more likeable and makes the game fun.

Marbury is a downer.

When marbury got here, I was happy that we finally had a pg that could actually hit a lay up.

he's overstayed his welcome, if he could be gotten rid of, do it.
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10/10/2006  3:58 PM
Posted by Finestrg:

First off, very realistic trade. I thought so for some time now. I think West thinks his team might be close enough to pull the trigger on something like this. Maybe not so much more after they drafted Lowry, but if Damon Stoudamire can't go, still realistic enough. I really thought something was gonna get done on draft night with us and Grizz.

Not sure though....Think I'd rather have Alexander Johnson over Warrick if we included Lee in a deal, but they might think Warrick is more expendable for them with Gay now in the mix. Think A.J. might be a better fit for the Knicks though with Lee gone and with Jeffries now on board if we went through with this. What do you guys think?

Break it down fellas, who is the better fit for the Knicks, Johnson or Warrick in this scenario? Who will be the better player in this league down the pike? Is Johnson closer to a healthy Kenyon Martin or more of a Othella Harrington/Clarence Weatherspoon-type role player? And Warrick... What is he exactly? A 3 or a 4? I like the youth and athletism, hasn't really got a lot of time yet, but not sure if I'd want him as the primary backup to Frye at the 4. Wouldn't be a lot of muscle there. I'd like him as more of a 3, say a stronger/thicker Trevor Ariza with more potential, but we just threw 30-mil. at Jeffries and still have Q-Rich to backup the 3 spot. Lets get some analysis going on this.

[Edited by - finestrg on 10-10-2006 1:26 PM]


If west were going to trade for either Marbury or Francis and thought he was one piece away, don't you think they would want to pull that kind of deal off during the summer, as opposed to in season when there is so much adjustment that has to be made?

And when there was all the press about them not being able to afford Pau- how could they take on Marbury's contract, even as short as it is.

Sadly, this deal is a dream of a few new york fans, like me winning the mega millions. not likely.
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10/10/2006  4:03 PM
Posted by MS:

The Abreau deal was not really all its cracked up to be, yes it help them get to the playoffs, however he is making close to 15 million this coming year and lidle is making over three so you took on 18 million for the coming year for a pitcher that can't get it down and someone vastly overpaid at his position....

They would have been better off without the move and would have had room to sign a Tori Hunter/Vernon Wells improving their outfield defense while pushing Damon over
I disagree... Abreu has no holes in his game. He's fast, great arm, good baserunner, takes pitches, good power, doesnt K alot, patient, deals with pressure, managable personality.

If the Yanks want to improve the outfield dump Damon who's very inconsistant and has ZERO arm, start Melky and either trade or DH Matsui, who has a weak arm, and horrible range.

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10/10/2006  4:09 PM
how does crawford make the game fun

he is a selfish low percentage shooter that doesn't play defense and takes at least 3 terrible shots a game.....

he hit two meaningless shots to get us wins 22-23; i think everyone forgets he is part of the problem

He shot 42% from the field his Assist to TO 3.8/2.2 is awful

Now if he has a month like he did at the end of the season opinions can be changed, but i like the fact that he is not saying anything bad about larry which shows good character
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10/10/2006  4:15 PM
i'd trade Marbury for any expiring contract out there regardless of how crappy that player was... i just want him & his contract off our books next season.

if i have to take on a big contract to get him off our team, then it would have to be a guy who makes sense for this team & fills a need.
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10/10/2006  4:31 PM
How about:

Marbury

for

a bag of potatoes?



Or some injured guy w/ an expiring contract + some Euros who aren't in town + a draft pick?


Marbury has been around the Knicks for some time now. We already know what he's capable of--- we know his strengths and weaknesses well enough and how they fit in the mix.

I think we need to see what Steve Francis is capable of.
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10/10/2006  4:36 PM
i'd trade Francis for the same package i listed for Marbury too for that matter... i want them both off the roster & Jamal be given the leadership role on this team.
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10/10/2006  5:17 PM
The sad reality is Marbs and Francis value as players keeps declining fast while their contracts keep going up. Even in a non salary cap era it would be hard to get teams to accept these players with their baggage and salary. But in a salary cap era its near impossible unless you are willing to take back horrible contracts that are even longer.
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10/10/2006  5:57 PM
ur right sugarray, it's a pipedream that we'll be able to deal these guys for anything less than players w/huge baggage & bad contracts of their own... we'll just have to hope they both play well this season & increase their trade value enough that there will be an NBA team interested in obtaining them, but then you have to also worry that Isiah will not want to trade them if they're performing up to their potential anyway.

it's a catch 22.
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10/10/2006  6:02 PM
Well it's not addition by subtraction when you add Steve Nash or Jason Kidd, but I think you knew that already
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[Edited by - Masterplan on 10-10-2006 12:41 PM]

Let's not forget the Suns and the Nets too for Steph and one might even say the Rockets as well for Francis.
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10/10/2006  6:41 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by MS:

The Abreau deal was not really all its cracked up to be, yes it help them get to the playoffs, however he is making close to 15 million this coming year and lidle is making over three so you took on 18 million for the coming year for a pitcher that can't get it down and someone vastly overpaid at his position....

They would have been better off without the move and would have had room to sign a Tori Hunter/Vernon Wells improving their outfield defense while pushing Damon over
I disagree... Abreu has no holes in his game. He's fast, great arm, good baserunner, takes pitches, good power, doesnt K alot, patient, deals with pressure, managable personality.

If the Yanks want to improve the outfield dump Damon who's very inconsistant and has ZERO arm, start Melky and either trade or DH Matsui, who has a weak arm, and horrible range.
That would make a lot of sense, but Damon was such a big acquisition and is such a big name and probably such a big money maker that I doubt they'll trade him. I'd have to agree with MS, that (unless they are trading Damon), the Abreu deal probably was overly expensive and unnecessary. Abreu is a very good--maybe even great--player, but eventually you have to decide to make pitching a higher priority than having several high salary outfielders.
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10/10/2006  7:09 PM
Yes, if only because there are too many guards.
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10/10/2006  7:42 PM
I think if you are worried that you would have no one to run the offense if Marbury left you are mistaken. First of all his presence on the team has negative implications on and off the court and on offense and defense. I think the Knicks could find a player able to play a role in running the offense that could help the team have more success. I often think that the Knicks might just be better if they waived him.
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Posted by CrushAlot:

I think if you are worried that you would have no one to run the offense if Marbury left you are mistaken. First of all his presence on the team has negative implications on and off the court and on offense and defense. I think the Knicks could find a player able to play a role in running the offense that could help the team have more success. I often think that the Knicks might just be better if they waived him.

Two entirely separate issues: Claim 1) Marbury had no positive effect on the team last year. Response: I agree.
Claim 2) The Knicks' other gaurds can run an offense. Response: I'll believe it when I see it because none of them ever have at any level of play.
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10/10/2006  8:11 PM
I actually was thinking that they could find someone on their roster or a free agent. There seems to one or two guys every year who breakout when no one expected them to. My main point is that they need to try something else. In my opinion they would be better off with someone who has leadership qualities but is not as physically gifted.
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