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PhilinLA
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10/10/2006 2:10 AM

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I think he'll play better D for IT. Brown had them too worried about screwing up.

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10/10/2006 5:43 AM

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I think of frye as becoming a Camby that can hit the open jumper.

He will be all over the court.

Don't sleep on his ability to block shots.

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45 • Channing Frye
C, 6-11, 248, Sr., Phoenix, Ariz.

General:

A strong work ethic allowed him to develop into one of the nation’s top big men ... An excellent athlete, Frye gave the Cats a strong inside presence as he finished his career ... ranked second on the Arizona and Pac-10 career blocked shot list with 258 ... Great hands and a solid mid-range jumper ... Registered 93 double-figure-point and 35 double-figure-rebound games in his four-year career ... A starter in 119 of 133 career games played.

Just because a senile washed up coach wasn't able to get the best out of channing, doesn't mean we've seen the best of channing.

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10/10/2006 8:07 AM

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I still can't figure out when Wallace became a superb defensive player, he blocks some shots but that is it. He is no lockdown artist. He has never been first or second team all-defense, so he was never truly at the top.

He's very good. He plays defense with a mean streak. He doesnt do it every play, and his defense can often be soft for 3 qtrs but he is a good defender, and a while some guys just look to dunk on you Sheed takes just as much from locking you down in crunch time.
I'm not a raweed fan but he's been a winning basketball player from the get go. He's not a stats guy, he's a tough competitor.

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10/10/2006 9:12 AM

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Are we watching the same channing fyre his ability to block shots in college was because of his length he is very average in his athleticism, he needs to work on becoming more fluid; his jump hook is awkard. He still doesn't know how to use his body which is abit troublesome after four years of college.....

Sheed had a much better open court game and could really punish you around the rim, frye is never going to have that explosiveness.

18 and 8 is very agressive; unless Isiah decides to put the focus on frye offensively; which he should. Its too bad Isiah brough in 600 pounds of utter **** at the center because an inshape inside presence would really open things up on penetration by our guards......Curry should be a top 5 center right now but he isn't close (Shaq, Camby, Wallace, Kristic, Would rather have Bogut, Kahman and i am sure we can name more) the center position is terrible in this league and fat boy should be able to get the opposing bigs in foul trouble, and then go to the bench and get oxygen while we put in this unit

Frye
Lee
Jefferies
Q
Crawford

Should be able to cause all kinds of problems around the league with an uptempo style of play and should be pressuring the ball, no reason you can't put balkman, nate, lee out there with anyone and apply full court pressure....

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10/10/2006 9:19 AM

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Posted by rvhoss:

I think of frye as becoming a Camby that can hit the open jumper.

He will be all over the court.

Don't sleep on his ability to block shots.

College Days

45 • Channing Frye
C, 6-11, 248, Sr., Phoenix, Ariz.

General:

A strong work ethic allowed him to develop into one of the nation’s top big men ... An excellent athlete, Frye gave the Cats a strong inside presence as he finished his career ... ranked second on the Arizona and Pac-10 career blocked shot list with 258 ... Great hands and a solid mid-range jumper ... Registered 93 double-figure-point and 35 double-figure-rebound games in his four-year career ... A starter in 119 of 133 career games played.

Just because a senile washed up coach wasn't able to get the best out of channing, doesn't mean we've seen the best of channing.

dude, I think you are the only one who brings LB into the conversation when he has no point to being around.

Frye does not have quick feet like Camby, nor is his defensive prowess anything NEAR where Camby was when he left school (wasn't Camby one of the best shot-blocking centers in his day?). Frye also has a lot less of a clue how to play defense than Camby, positioning, timing, rotation. Like that. Camby is long and thin and quick. Frye is long and getting stronger.

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10/10/2006 11:42 AM

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I still can't figure out when Wallace became a superb defensive player, he blocks some shots but that is it. He is no lockdown artist. He has never been first or second team all-defense, so he was never truly at the top.
He's very good. He plays defense with a mean streak. He doesnt do it every play, and his defense can often be soft for 3 qtrs but he is a good defender, and a while some guys just look to dunk on you Sheed takes just as much from locking you down in crunch time.
I'm not a raweed fan but he's been a winning basketball player from the get go. He's not a stats guy, he's a tough competitor.

A winning basketball player from the get go? Dude, please take a look at his whole career. This guy was considered the 6'10" Marbury, all talent and empty numbers without the success before he had his one championship run.

I think you are looking at his championship run and forgetting his whole history! Was he a lockdown defensive player at Portland, or Washington? No. And he isn't such a defender with Detroit. Outside of his one championship, when has he shown that he locks up guys for any amount of time? He had a nice run a couple of years ago, but did he lock anyone down last playoffs? He made dumb comments that he could not back up. Against Miami his whole game melted down. That is the real Rasheed Wallace.

Again, when did Rasheed Wallace become a "little things" or an "intangibles" player? I really just don't see any evidence of that.

You're right about him taking periods of the game off, and that is both on Offense and Defense. Frye isn't like that. I want Frye to stay as far away from Wallace as possible.

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10/10/2006 11:52 AM

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Frye is nothing like sheed.

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10/10/2006 12:09 PM

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Posted by fishmike:
I still can't figure out when Wallace became a superb defensive player, he blocks some shots but that is it. He is no lockdown artist. He has never been first or second team all-defense, so he was never truly at the top.
He's very good. He plays defense with a mean streak. He doesnt do it every play, and his defense can often be soft for 3 qtrs but he is a good defender, and a while some guys just look to dunk on you Sheed takes just as much from locking you down in crunch time.
I'm not a raweed fan but he's been a winning basketball player from the get go. He's not a stats guy, he's a tough competitor.

A winning basketball player from the get go? Dude, please take a look at his whole career. This guy was considered the 6'10" Marbury, all talent and empty numbers without the success before he had his one championship run.

I think you are looking at his championship run and forgetting his whole history! Was he a lockdown defensive player at Portland, or Washington? No. And he isn't such a defender with Detroit. Outside of his one championship, when has he shown that he locks up guys for any amount of time? He had a nice run a couple of years ago, but did he lock anyone down last playoffs? He made dumb comments that he could not back up. Against Miami his whole game melted down. That is the real Rasheed Wallace.

Again, when did Rasheed Wallace become a "little things" or an "intangibles" player? I really just don't see any evidence of that.

You're right about him taking periods of the game off, and that is both on Offense and Defense. Frye isn't like that. I want Frye to stay as far away from Wallace as possible.

oohah

I think Oohah's got the history right here. Rasheed wasn't known for any of the positives listed until he started playing for Detroit. He was known as basically a talented underachiever and even clubhouse cancer.

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10/10/2006 12:27 PM

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Posted by rvhoss:

I think of frye as becoming a Camby that can hit the open jumper.

He will be all over the court.

Don't sleep on his ability to block shots.

College Days

45 • Channing Frye
C, 6-11, 248, Sr., Phoenix, Ariz.

General:

A strong work ethic allowed him to develop into one of the nation’s top big men ... An excellent athlete, Frye gave the Cats a strong inside presence as he finished his career ... ranked second on the Arizona and Pac-10 career blocked shot list with 258 ... Great hands and a solid mid-range jumper ... Registered 93 double-figure-point and 35 double-figure-rebound games in his four-year career ... A starter in 119 of 133 career games played.

Just because a senile washed up coach wasn't able to get the best out of channing, doesn't mean we've seen the best of channing.

First of all, Frye played 4years in college, how many players do that anymore, so obviously his blocks will be higher than mosts and second of all, the Pac-10 is and always will be a Guards league.

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10/10/2006 1:23 PM

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Sheed played one year with the Wizards and was then traded to Port. 1 year.
Portlands record w/ Sheed
95/ 33-38 (without Sheed)
96/ 49-33 (his first year they win +5 games)
97/ 46-36
98/ 35-17
99/ 59-23
00/ 50-32
01/ 49-33
02/ 50-32
03/ 41-41 (21-24 w/ Sheed)

If Frye was the defender that Sheed is you guys would be calling him the next Artest. To be honest, its a shame for Sheed's sake he's such a jerk and mental case because the guy is one of the NBA's best player. He's been under the radar in that regard because he's played with good players (he was always the best player on Port) and because of his behavior.

He kept Jermaine Oneil on the bench for 4 years.. Sheed plays defense. Quite well.

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10/10/2006 1:32 PM

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Posted by fishmike:

Sheed played one year with the Wizards and was then traded to Port. 1 year.
Portlands record w/ Sheed
95/ 33-38 (without Sheed)
96/ 49-33 (his first year they win +5 games)
97/ 46-36
98/ 35-17
99/ 59-23
00/ 50-32
01/ 49-33
02/ 50-32
03/ 41-41 (21-24 w/ Sheed)

If Frye was the defender that Sheed is you guys would be calling him the next Artest. To be honest, its a shame for Sheed's sake he's such a jerk and mental case because the guy is one of the NBA's best player. He's been under the radar in that regard because he's played with good players (he was always the best player on Port) and because of his behavior.

He kept Jermaine Oneil on the bench for 4 years.. Sheed plays defense. Quite well.

Well said. Very well said.

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10/10/2006 1:46 PM

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Sheed played one year with the Wizards and was then traded to Port. 1 year.
Portlands record w/ Sheed
95/ 33-38 (without Sheed)
96/ 49-33 (his first year they win +5 games)
97/ 46-36
98/ 35-17
99/ 59-23
00/ 50-32
01/ 49-33
02/ 50-32
03/ 41-41 (21-24 w/ Sheed)

If Frye was the defender that Sheed is you guys would be calling him the next Artest. To be honest, its a shame for Sheed's sake he's such a jerk and mental case because the guy is one of the NBA's best player. He's been under the radar in that regard because he's played with good players (he was always the best player on Port) and because of his behavior.

He kept Jermaine Oneil on the bench for 4 years.. Sheed plays defense. Quite well.

Good post Fish, I think your right about Sheed, he's a jerk and very boisterous and I think that people only see that when they look at him. You can't argue with his production on the court on BOTH ends of the court.

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10/10/2006 2:02 PM

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I'm still trying to figure out who called Weed a lockdown defender or suggested that he was an all NBA first or second team defender.

Weed is an above average defensive player and certainly better than Frye. Overall he's a better all around player. Maybe that's why he didn't just threaten to be an all star last year but actually was.

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Posted by islesfan:

I'm still trying to figure out who called Weed a lockdown defender or suggested that he was an all NBA first or second team defender.

Weed is an above average defensive player and certainly better than Frye. Overall he's a better all around player. Maybe that's why he didn't just threaten to be an all star last year but actually was.

I think Weed is a WAY above average defensive player. He may not be the lockdown type like Big Ben or Artest, but the guy KNOWS team D and rotations and positioning, something that Frye has a long way to go.