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Solace
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10/10/2006 12:05 AM

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Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players

No, clearly championships are measured in pounds. Least pounds wins the championship. Keep up man!

Btw, I agree. "Pound for pound" is cliched for exciting player, which as we all know doesn't necessarily translate into wins.

Marbury hasn't translated into wins either. at least Iverson has done "something" during his NBA career.

I agree. Iverson is definitely ahead of Marbury. Marbury is the epitome of the "me" player. I never mentioned Marbury, so he wouldn't have been my basis of comparison.

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10/10/2006 12:31 AM

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Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players

Iverson is one of the top players in the game. Just because you think he isn't means nothing. He is a sure HOF and an NBA icon.

His numbers speak for themselves.

Nothing you have said is untrue but when compared to other top player in reagrds to carrying a team to a championship my money would be on guys like Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan way ahead of Iverson. There are great players, stat compilers, and champions. Iverson is a great player and a great stat compiler but he doesnt really make his teams dramatically better

Iverson did singlehandedly lead his team to the NBA Finals once, with the help of a certain Hall of Fame coach. I think in his prime he was most definitely a top player that could lead his team to championship contention. And although he isn't in his prime anymore (neither is Shaq) he's still playing at a very high level.

Having said that, the Sixers, while not a top 5 team, are still one of those teams that will be fighting for the 7-8 seeds this year. And not many of those teams can boast a player of Iverson's abilities.

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10/10/2006 3:16 AM

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My take is a little late to this thread; but most top 5 teams have atleast 1 to 3 special players comming off of the bench.

You've gotta have a bench. Even the Glorified 76er's team of (C) Darryl Dawkins, (PF) George McGinnis, (SF) Julius "DR. J" Erving, (SG) World "B" Free, (PG) Andrew Toney had key players comming off the bench in the form of (PF/SF) Bobby Jones & (C) Caldwell to name a few.

Gotta have a bench to be considered a top 5 in this league....unless you're talking about going up against the 3 point gunners that play overseas. They don't have benches; but they're beating some of our NBA teams w/fundementals, and deadly range from the arc.

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10/10/2006 5:35 AM

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hey...we have a bench.

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10/10/2006 7:19 AM

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hey...we have a bench.

...but we don't have the starters to match

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10/10/2006 9:23 AM

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Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players

Iverson is one of the top players in the game. Just because you think he isn't means nothing. He is a sure HOF and an NBA icon.

His numbers speak for themselves.

Nothing you have said is untrue but when compared to other top player in reagrds to carrying a team to a championship my money would be on guys like Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan way ahead of Iverson. There are great players, stat compilers, and champions. Iverson is a great player and a great stat compiler but he doesnt really make his teams dramatically better

Iverson did singlehandedly lead his team to the NBA Finals once, with the help of a certain Hall of Fame coach. I think in his prime he was most definitely a top player that could lead his team to championship contention. And although he isn't in his prime anymore (neither is Shaq) he's still playing at a very high level.

Having said that, the Sixers, while not a top 5 team, are still one of those teams that will be fighting for the 7-8 seeds this year. And not many of those teams can boast a player of Iverson's abilities.

i dont understand why people think that philly will challange for a playoff spot this year, what changed from last year to this year?

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10/10/2006 9:25 AM

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Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players

Iverson is one of the top players in the game. Just because you think he isn't means nothing. He is a sure HOF and an NBA icon.

His numbers speak for themselves.

Nothing you have said is untrue but when compared to other top player in reagrds to carrying a team to a championship my money would be on guys like Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan way ahead of Iverson. There are great players, stat compilers, and champions. Iverson is a great player and a great stat compiler but he doesnt really make his teams dramatically better

Did you not watch the team when they went to the finals? See the guy in person. Amazing.

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10/10/2006 9:42 AM

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Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players

Iverson is one of the top players in the game. Just because you think he isn't means nothing. He is a sure HOF and an NBA icon.

His numbers speak for themselves.

Nothing you have said is untrue but when compared to other top player in reagrds to carrying a team to a championship my money would be on guys like Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan way ahead of Iverson. There are great players, stat compilers, and champions. Iverson is a great player and a great stat compiler but he doesnt really make his teams dramatically better

Iverson did singlehandedly lead his team to the NBA Finals once, with the help of a certain Hall of Fame coach. I think in his prime he was most definitely a top player that could lead his team to championship contention. And although he isn't in his prime anymore (neither is Shaq) he's still playing at a very high level.

Having said that, the Sixers, while not a top 5 team, are still one of those teams that will be fighting for the 7-8 seeds this year. And not many of those teams can boast a player of Iverson's abilities.

i dont understand why people think that philly will challange for a playoff spot this year, what changed from last year to this year?

AI2 will blossom even more. Webber is still putting up very good numbers. AI hasn't shown that he's slowing down at all. The other 5-6 teams vying for the last 2 playoff spots in the East are all nothing special going into the season and I think Philly has a starting 5 that's the best out of all of them so why not?

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10/10/2006 10:18 AM

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AI is a very exciting player, but aside from Iguodala, AI has an uncomplimentary supporting cast. I can't see the playoffs in their future.

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10/10/2006 10:22 AM

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Nothing you have said is untrue but when compared to other top player in reagrds to carrying a team to a championship my money would be on guys like Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan way ahead of Iverson. There are great players, stat compilers, and champions. Iverson is a great player and a great stat compiler but he doesnt really make his teams dramatically better

You know what's funny? Everything Wade is doing ... Iverson has DONE. And when Lebron leads his team the Finals then call me.

Kobe is a better player than Iverson but IVO can put up numbers just like Kobe. Dirk choked in the Finals last year. Iverson showed up every single game. Through doubles and triple teams.

And how in the hell are you going to compare Duncan and Shaq to a guard? Everybody in the world would take a 7-foot HOF player over a 6 foot HOF player.

I get so tired of everyone talking about making your team better ... making your team better ... making your team better.

That's bull**** and you know it. What superstar has led a team like the 76ers with the amount of talent he's had into the Finals?

Dude is the truth.

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10/10/2006 10:52 AM

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What superstar has led a team like the 76ers with the amount of talent he's had into the Finals?

that's part of the enigma, isn't it? haven't his teams, if anything, been MORE talented in the last few years? why haven't they done anything? a few years ago no one would be arguing with you. but something has to account for their lack of success recently.

maybe Larry Brown was the x-factor

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10/10/2006 12:03 PM

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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by bigpimpin:

Pound for pound Allen Iverson is one of the best players in the NBA. So of course he's franchise. Stop hating.
That only proves that "pound for pound" is an awful way to evaluate players

Iverson is one of the top players in the game. Just because you think he isn't means nothing. He is a sure HOF and an NBA icon.

His numbers speak for themselves.

Nothing you have said is untrue but when compared to other top player in reagrds to carrying a team to a championship my money would be on guys like Wade, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Shaq, Duncan way ahead of Iverson. There are great players, stat compilers, and champions. Iverson is a great player and a great stat compiler but he doesnt really make his teams dramatically better
Agreed; Iverson had a very good team once (when he had a hall-of-fame center in his prime) but otherwise hasn't done much. He gets more credit that I think he deserves. He is better ahead of Marbury, though, simply because he plays harder on defense. I don't know how Marbury got into this.

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10/10/2006 2:39 PM

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well, i live down in south jersey and unfortunately i watch more sixer games than any other so i know first hand why they stink.

1.) management- they keep bringing in guys that do not make a difference or are spent like skinner, williamson and ollie. they are marginal players at best. then every year you hear trade rumors about iverson. not a good environment.

2.) coaching carousell- since brown left, their coaching status has stunk. cheeks has been the only one that has been there for more than one year. going into camp not knowing what to expect year after year is disheartening. these coaches were radically different also. i also think cheeks is an overrated coach. ( hey, the first two sound like the knicks)

3.) iverson- as much as i like, the only philly athlete besides mcnabb that i like, he has been hindering the team. true without him this would be a lottery team yearly. however, he hasn't made any teammate better. in some cases, such as larry hughes and speedy claxton, he has held them back. he dominates the ball constantly and even though his assist number were up last year, his field goal attempt is still the same. not to mention he is injury prone because of the reckless driving he does towards the basket.

4.) inconsistent roster- that roster changes every year. this year happen to be an exception. but they had good teammates like mutumbo and hughes to solid players like marc jackson ( who did well that year) and tyrone hill. but the general consensus is that no one lasts long there. either they do not mesh with iverson, coach, management, city or all of them. always drama.

5.) philadelphia fans and media- all stinks! they deserve their teams.

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Exactly Bigpimpin. Put any HOF or future HOF on this very team (Kobe, Wade, Shaq you name it) and I believe the outcome would be the same. You see what Kobe Bryant the great went through last year. He thought the same way. Becuase he's such a talent he felt that you can stick anyone around him and the Laker's would still win....wrong! Baskeball is a team sport and you need contribution from every position. Wether it's one person to just rebound...Rodman and the next person purely shooting three's.....Kerr. Every great championship team had role players. Lakers, Boston, etc. Superstar ir Stars and role players. Role Players who did what they did well. The Sixers don't have that and never really did. They had role players who were decent and that's why the went to the Finals that year. But Philly sucking has no relevance to Iverson's talent.

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10/10/2006 3:05 PM

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3.) iverson- as much as i like, the only philly athlete besides mcnabb that i like, he has been hindering the team. true without him this would be a lottery team yearly. however, he hasn't made any teammate better. in some cases, such as larry hughes and speedy claxton, he has held them back. he dominates the ball constantly and even though his assist number were up last year, his field goal attempt is still the same. not to mention he is injury prone because of the reckless driving he does towards the basket.

My view exactly