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oohah
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10/7/2006  12:11 PM
Marbury spoke words. What a jerk.

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10/7/2006  12:35 PM

Its always the media that sucks! Then the knicks go out and prove them right!

Marbury is an idiot. While you want to throw the previous coach under the bus, he just made Isiah look stupid.

Its takes no rocket science to figure out that Larry wanted him gone. Why Isiah went along with any of this crap and bring in Francis is a joke. And Dolan Ok'd the trade, so whose fault is it? All of them!

Marbury just did the divide with Stevie. Nice job moron!

And he admitted he turned off larry one month into the season. Find a reason for Marbury and he does not turn back!

Thus, he underminded him all season long.

Give Larry his money. Case closed.

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10/7/2006  12:38 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Its always the media that sucks! Then the knicks go out and prove them right!

Marbury is an idiot. While you want to throw the previous coach under the bus, he just made Isiah look stupid.

Its takes no rocket science to figure out that Larry wanted him gone. Why Isiah went along with any of this crap and bring in Francis is a joke. And Dolan Ok'd the trade, so whose fault is it? All of them!

Marbury just did the divide with Stevie. Nice job moron!

And he admitted he turned off larry one month into the season. Find a reason for Marbury and he does not turn back!

Thus, he underminded him all season long.

Give Larry his money. Case closed.
You didn't exactly create a case to give Larry his money!

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10/7/2006  12:45 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Its always the media that sucks! Then the knicks go out and prove them right!

Marbury is an idiot. While you want to throw the previous coach under the bus, he just made Isiah look stupid.

Its takes no rocket science to figure out that Larry wanted him gone. Why Isiah went along with any of this crap and bring in Francis is a joke. And Dolan Ok'd the trade, so whose fault is it? All of them!

Marbury just did the divide with Stevie. Nice job moron!

And he admitted he turned off larry one month into the season. Find a reason for Marbury and he does not turn back!

Thus, he underminded him all season long.

Give Larry his money. Case closed.

yeah, you left out the part where Brown begged for Francis then didn't play him, thus undermining his owner and GM. Case opened!
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10/7/2006  1:00 PM
Posted by crzymdups:


yeah, you left out the part where Brown begged for Francis then didn't play him, thus undermining his owner and GM. Case opened!


he averaged 28 mpg, and was said to have come to practice drunk. did anyone in management do their homework on this guy?

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FWIW, this was the inside report from a guy on realgm who knew someone on the summerleague squad:

As for steve francis, he said that Lee and Frye said francis was a total nut job and that he never did a thing the coach said to do, and would only practice like 2 out of every 5 practices. They said that Francis is a real partyer also and would show up to practice drunk all the time and never really tried hard. He also told me that he thinks Isiah really wants to get rid of Francis which would be good for him because it would open up a guard spot.

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They thread lived (buried and forgotten) on realgm up until a week ago, the removal of which only lends credence to it's veracity in my mind.


Anyway, when you have Marbury admitting he didn't pay attention to Brown since the 7th game of the season, is it any wonder the team imploded and LB wanted him gone?
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10/7/2006  1:05 PM
This is sad. They are just perpetuating the negativity. Whatever they think Evil Larry did, they should recognize that he's gone and deal with the situation as they find it.
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10/7/2006  1:05 PM
well, if there's one thing about realgm, they are the first to get the big stories. I remember when they were the first to break the huge KG to NY trade at the trade deadline. it was amazing reporting.
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10/7/2006  1:11 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

well, if there's one thing about realgm, they are the first to get the big stories. I remember when they were the first to break the huge KG to NY trade at the trade deadline. it was amazing reporting.


there are a lot of ordinary people who are a degree or two removed from someone at msg who knows something. i wouldn't judge the quality of their info solely on which message board they share it.

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10/7/2006  1:31 PM
Holy crap...someone put a muzzle on this guy.
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10/7/2006  1:42 PM
Why do Marbury have to be an idiot for speaking his mind? Because you don't agree with it? Why does Marbury comments have to cause friction between him and Francis. You can either agree wuth the man or not, but he doesn't have to be an idiot. I don't agree with most of you guys here in this forum, that doesn't make ya'll idiots (I think). Believe me, Marbury and Francis spoke about this situation last year. Just becasue it wasn't in the media doesn't mean they haven't talked about it. It appears they became friends in spite of it. Really though, what Marbury said made sense. I was thinking the same thing when the trade went down last year. It didn't make sense to me, but that's the way it went down. All this Francis/Marbury being the new Frazier/Monroe was hot initially, but LB with his wild rotation sunk that ship before it left the dock. Man, I just want this season to start. We have good players on this team whether most of you believe it or not. Last season was last season. Time to start over and enjot being Knick Fans again.
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10/7/2006  1:54 PM
It's irrelevant to me whether Marbury and Thomas are right or wrong. They need to put the past behind them and focus on putting together a winning team. Larry Brown is gone. Whatever he did or didn't do, we all need to accept it and move on.
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10/7/2006  1:59 PM
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By MARC BERMAN

October 7, 2006 -- CHARLESTON, S.C. - Stephon Marbury dropped another bomb on Larry Brown yesterday, saying he believes the former Knicks coach pushed for the Steve Francis trade as a way to phase Marbury out.

Knicks president/coach Isiah Thomas did not deny the allegation. When the trade was made, in February, Brown said he thought a Marbury-Francis backcourt could be this Knicks era's answer to Walt Frazier-Earl Monroe.

"I think Steve Francis was brought here to play the point-guard position last year," Marbury said. "I don't think he was brought in to be a 1-2 punch. I don't know if it was to be shifted to shooting guard or [for me] to be sit down. He didn't come here for us to be a 1-2 punch. I know it wasn't meant for it to be a 1-2 punch and have this dynamic backcourt."

The Francis trade is being held against Brown during the legal contract dispute between the coach and the Knicks, as one of the final straws of Brown's erratic behavior. Brown pushed for the trade, which added significantly to the club's payroll. Within a week, however, Francis was in Brown's doghouse.

Thomas sounded yesterday like he made the deal only to please the coach. For the first time, Thomas also acknowledged the pitfalls of trying to mesh the two undersized point guards into a starting combination, especially on the defensive end. Thomas would not answer the question of whether he would have made the trade - in which he sent prized draft pick Trevor Ariza to Orlando - on his own volition.

"My job is to make it work and it's a tough spot," Thomas said. "I could find a way to make them both look good. Whatever faults or negative things they can't do or don't do, my job is to put all that in the closet and not let you open that closet door. When your mom made you clean the room and you throw everything in the closet and stand by the closet door, saying the room is clean. Whatever sins and faults they have, my job is to keep it in the closet and not let it show on the MSG floor."

Marbury gave no legitimacy to Brown's sincerity about "Frazier-Monroe" comparisons.

"I didn't listen to anything he said last year after he lied the first time," Marbury said. "Everything was up in the air. After he lied the first time, I pretty much didn't look at [him] the same way."

Marbury would not specify what lie he was referring to, but it might have been when Brown told the media in November that Marbury came to him begging to play shooting guard.

Thomas contended Brown told him last February he wanted Francis to pair with Marbury. Thomas refuses to refer to Brown by name.

"Dead honestly, I don't know," Thomas said about Marbury's latest claim. "What the intent was and what the coach was thinking at the time day to day I can't honestly tell you.

Brown has told confidants he stopped using Francis regularly because he felt he was out of shape.

Francis said he's ready to be a better defender this season than ever before - an edict from Thomas.

"Different things are being asked of me at this point of my career," Francis said. "To play harder defense constantly, that's the toughest thing. Not too many guards in this league are asked to play defense and score for 48 minutes."

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Thomas said his playbook is the same one he drafted as Pacers coach from 2000-2003 and none of Brown's plays have been retained . . . The Knicks are expected to break camp today, a day early. That would mean their five-day Charleston stay was four days shorter than Brown's nine-day marathon in 2005.


Same old starbury. Here we go againi already and the season isn't even close to starting yet. The media's going to have a field day and Zeke is going to have enough on his plate without this crap coming in. It's not basketball! It's a damn soap opera!
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10/7/2006  2:04 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Isiah Thomas is the GM. He has the power over the coach. Isiah Thomas should know what's best for the team. He should know that Marbury and Francis are the same player. It was him that pulled the trade, regardless of how bad LB wanted him. It was him that signed Larry Brown. Yes Larry did a bad job last year, worthy of being fired, but Isiah did worse.

Actually Dolan needs to be the biggest blame. He' hired Zeke, approved the Brown deal as well as the other mega deals. He's the one who made the 'money no object' and is now paying through the nose in his investment, so think about that first.

God, I wish we still had Checkette's and Jeff Van Gundy. At least we had for the most part over the .500 mark teams and not all of this stupid bickering.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/7/2006  2:05 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

What's up you guys. I haven't posted on this site in awhile.

Isn't this old news. I think Marbury is still upset with Brown. I don't think he is inaccurate though. It was pretty well knowledge that Brown wanted Marbury out and thought that Francis would be a suitable replacement.

Sounds like a damn soap opera.
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10/7/2006  2:09 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

There is an idiot wind blowing every time Marbury moves his teeth. He seems to not be capable of seeing that it is not all about him and that he is part of a team. The Knicks really need to move him if there is any hope for longterm success.

Can't move him because of the contract. I said before that it would have been better to negotiate a buyout with starbury, and keep Brown. But now Browns the one gone and we pay up and starbury is still causing trouble and we're stuck with him. I don't think Dolan is going to let both go only to have to pay huge buyout amounts. This is what I mean when I said starbury is the real owner of this team. He's always been the problem and that's going to show big time this season. I think I will rename him 'starbury big cry baby'.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/7/2006  2:10 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I'm so glad I'm not buying tickets this year for the New York Pricks.

I haven't bought a thing for the last couple years and will not, not until this crap changes it's tune and we see consistent results.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/7/2006  2:13 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Allanfan20:

You're right crzymdups, but we do have the papers and Marbury handles them terribly. So did Larry Brown. Both don't deserve to be Knicks. Neither does Isiah Thomas.

I'll agree with you that Marbury is one of the worst I've ever seen at handling the papers, though I think Brown was actually doing exactly what he wanted with the reporters - creating chaos to further sabotage the season. The reporters were always following Brown's agenda. Did they ever ask him why so many rotations, when is a set lineup coming? Yes, they did, but Brown would always turn those questions into character assassinations.

Everyone got played by Brown. I still can't believe Zeke let him acquire Francis, I can't believe he didn't see right through it. Or hell, maybe he did but was too distracted by Anuchagate or thought he could trade Francis in a package for KG (LOL! if he thought that he should be fired). Anyway, I'm ready for the Brown saga to end now. I think it'll keep going until the team is over .500 though, so hopefully we can start 1-0 for the first time in six years.

So who do we blame? It looks like it's 'everyones' fault! Bad owner, bad GM, bad coach, bad roll models players! I mean just exactly what are we talking about here?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/7/2006  2:15 PM
Seriously they need to keep him quiet. He needs to forget about Larry Brown and go play ball.
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10/7/2006  2:16 PM
If nothing else the Knicks need to start enforcing their 'media policy' with Marbury. Better to look a fool then to open your mouth and reveal all doubt.
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10/7/2006  2:18 PM
Agreed, but he won't! We know the man and his character too well.
I'll never trust this' team again.
Isiah and Marbury play the blame game on Steve Francis

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