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10/4/2006  10:31 AM
Posted by fishmike:
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From my perspective, this is the most important quote from the article:


"I'm part of this team so I want to finish it," Curry said. "I'm not sitting down. I'm going to practice every second of practice."
I agree. I'm taking the most positive thing and running with it. BUT, if Isiah is saying that it most probably had to do with the players not the coach then I am starting to worry. People usually sugar coat things and him saying that could mean things are real bad.
Look at what we have been reduced to being happy about. Look at how low Isiah has reduced any expectations for this franchise and those that play for it. Now we applaud a guy thats *willing* to practice and work hard, even though he's clearly not in playing shape, despite one on one training and a supposed off season of hard work.

It kills me, it really does

We will have to keep lowering the standards so that when 50 win talent wins 40 games it will be a positive and all those fans that say it's great can continue to call themselves optimists. What I said 3 years ago about lowering standards is so true. Only a briliant young coach could see something like that. It's been a constant barrage of lowering standards the past few years. Now when your 7-0 300 lb. center finishes practice it should be applauded. when your guys workout and prepare it's not expected, it's to be applauded. If you say you aren't happy with guys being out of shape you are attacked. It's sad.

Anyway it's the first day of camp. I don't think we will get the full picture of what is really going on. Half the reporters will paint things so that it looks like the world has changed since LB left. The other half will paint things so it looks like LB was no problem at all. The only way to see what is going on is to watch when the season starts. I love not being able to know what to expect from my team.
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10/4/2006  10:31 AM
He didnt struggle to finish. Thats a writers opinion. Isiah gave him the option of not finishing and Curry said no. Getting winded isnt struggling to finish. The whole purpose of suicides is to elevate your heart rate near the max. all players should be winded otherwise they are not running hard enough.


I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/4/2006  10:32 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Rich:

From my perspective, this is the most important quote from the article:


"I'm part of this team so I want to finish it," Curry said. "I'm not sitting down. I'm going to practice every second of practice."
I agree. I'm taking the most positive thing and running with it. BUT, if Isiah is saying that it most probably had to do with the players not the coach then I am starting to worry. People usually sugar coat things and him saying that could mean things are real bad.
Look at what we have been reduced to being happy about. Look at how low Isiah has reduced any expectations for this franchise and those that play for it. Now we applaud a guy thats *willing* to practice and work hard, even though he's clearly not in playing shape, despite one on one training and a supposed off season of hard work.

It kills me, it really does
Look man, it very hard to find a perfect situation anywhere. What I saw from Curry last year, all this seems like an improvement. A few weeks into the season would be a much better time to be talking about what he can do on the floor.
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10/4/2006  10:34 AM
I don't think we are looking for a perfect situation. We are looking for people to show up in shape that's all.
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10/4/2006  10:37 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I don't think we are looking for a perfect situation. We are looking for people to show up in shape that's all.
We are arguing semantics here? I thought you would know what I mean. Ok, it is hard to find a team where everyone shows up in shape.
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10/4/2006  10:41 AM
His backup, Jerome James, resumed his familiar role of hobbled spectator after suffering an injury on the first day of practice for the second straight year.

lol... if it wasn't do damn pathetic it might actually be funny.
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10/4/2006  10:43 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I don't think we are looking for a perfect situation. We are looking for people to show up in shape that's all.


Dude I'm in great shape and when I do sprints I get winded. The whole idea of doing suicides sprints is to raise your heart rate in a huge way. If you dont get winded doing them then you are not running hard enough. NHL players are in great shape. They go as hard as they possibly can for 45 seconds at a time. If they are not winded at the end of those 45 seconds then they usually did not skate hard enough.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/4/2006  10:47 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

I don't think we are looking for a perfect situation. We are looking for people to show up in shape that's all.

Geeze, loiuse, you guys nit pick at everything. Getting winded while running SUICIDES does not mean he isn't in shape. Bip, as a coach you should know better. I've played on all kinds of bb teams since I was 8 (including the fames Riverside Chruch) Iv'e always taken pride in keeping myself in tip top shape even today. But suicides was one drill that always he me and my teamates keeled over.

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10/4/2006  10:49 AM
Isiah need to go Full Metal Jacket on Curry:

"Are you quitting on me? Well, are you? Then quit, you slimy f***in walrus-looking piece of sh**! Get the f*** off of my basketball court! Get the f*** off of my basketball court! Now! Move it!! I'm going to rip your b*lls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world. I will motivate you, Private Pyle, if it short-d**ks every cannibal on the Congo!"
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10/4/2006  10:50 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Bippity10:

I don't think we are looking for a perfect situation. We are looking for people to show up in shape that's all.


Dude I'm in great shape and when I do sprints I get winded. The whole idea of doing suicides sprints is to raise your heart rate in a huge way. If you dont get winded doing them then you are not running hard enough. NHL players are in great shape. They go as hard as they possibly can for 45 seconds at a time. If they are not winded at the end of those 45 seconds then they usually did not skate hard enough.

There's being in shape in regards to the muscle's being strong and then there's cardiovascular fitness and there's a difference. Curry looks like he's in shape from a muscular standpoint, but to be cardiovascularly fit enough that you don't get winded doing sprints or suicides is a totally different thing. He'll build up his level of cardio fitness. His muscular fitness will help to keep him from pulling a muscle. So in that regard he's in a better place than last year. He wasn't in shape at all.
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10/4/2006  10:51 AM
later that day:

Private Balkman: "Yo dawg, are those... live rounds?"
Private Eddy "Pyle" Curry: "Seven-six-two millimeter. Full metal jacket." *click*

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10/4/2006  11:02 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by Bippity10:

I don't think we are looking for a perfect situation. We are looking for people to show up in shape that's all.


Dude I'm in great shape and when I do sprints I get winded. The whole idea of doing suicides sprints is to raise your heart rate in a huge way. If you dont get winded doing them then you are not running hard enough. NHL players are in great shape. They go as hard as they possibly can for 45 seconds at a time. If they are not winded at the end of those 45 seconds then they usually did not skate hard enough.

There's being in shape in regards to the muscle's being strong and then there's cardiovascular fitness and there's a difference. Curry looks like he's in shape from a muscular standpoint, but to be cardiovascularly fit enough that you don't get winded doing sprints or suicides is a totally different thing. He'll build up his level of cardio fitness. His muscular fitness will help to keep him from pulling a muscle. So in that regard he's in a better place than last year. He wasn't in shape at all.

I agree with you, but we should not be looking at last year as a baseline for anything!!! Just because things are better than last year does not make it good. We must raise our standards. It's okay to do this nixluva. It's okay to push the guys on the team to strive for more instead of saying everything they do is good because it's better than last year.

I'm not nitpicking Curry. I said we won't know what shape these guys are in until the season starts.

"Anyway it's the first day of camp. I don't think we will get the full picture of what is really going on. Half the reporters will paint things so that it looks like the world has changed since LB left. The other half will paint things so it looks like LB was no problem at all. The only way to see what is going on is to watch when the season starts. I love not being able to know what to expect from my team." -Bip

What I'm saying is after last year it would be nice to have guys come in the best shape of their lives. I'm not passing judgement on Curry or dissing him(you guys really have to relax with this). It would just be nice. We can't have status quo, our guys really have to step it up after last year.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 10-04-2006 11:06 AM]
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10/4/2006  11:05 AM
As a coach I run my guys through suicides. I played for a coach that is known nationwide for how tough his first week of practice is. I asked him why he does it. It's not to tire guys out. That's what the players think. They run suicides the first couple weeks of practice to find out who is actually in shape. They continue to run suicides in practice to get back at those players that aren't in shape.

I personally hated suicides like everyone else. But since I was in shape I never had a problem finishing them.
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10/4/2006  11:13 AM
I push myself thru sprints all the time. thats how I keep increasing my stamina. Its not about seeing if I'm in shape. Its about inproving my stamina. If you do sprints and dont get winded then you are not doing them hard enough. The whole purpose of suicides is to push yourself to the absolute limit
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/4/2006  11:16 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I push myself thru sprints all the time. thats how I keep increasing my stamina. Its not about seeing if I'm in shape. Its about inproving my stamina. If you do sprints and dont get winded then you are not doing them hard enough. The whole purpose of suicides is to push yourself to the absolute limit

excellent. Tell us your experience as a coach or how you know what the protocal in the the NBA is.
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10/4/2006  11:44 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I push myself thru sprints all the time. thats how I keep increasing my stamina. Its not about seeing if I'm in shape. Its about inproving my stamina. If you do sprints and dont get winded then you are not doing them hard enough. The whole purpose of suicides is to push yourself to the absolute limit

Are we talking about Curry being winded or being able to finish the drill
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10/4/2006  11:46 AM
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Curry is a good guy and seems to have a good attitude ("I'm part of this team so I want to finish it," Curry said. "I'm not sitting down. I'm going to practice every second of practice.") I'm really pulling for him.

As for him struggling to finish suicides, its just the first day, give him a break. There were times I could barely finish suicides as a 140lb 16 yr old playing for my schools team.

thing is, you weren't getting $10M a year nor did you work out all summer long with a trainer.


So last year when he admittedly (by everybody) wasn't in shape it was Brown's fault for not giving him more minutes as Isiah implied despite the fact that he was in no condition to be playing tons of minutes. But when he supposedly worked out all summer and came to camp in shape he can barely finish running drills.

So when do people stop using the Larry Brown excuse?



I think you misread. According to that article Isiah used curry's lack of minutes as an exuse for his statistical production, not for his not being in shape. which makes sense, but I actually dont entirely agree with it becuase curry's production rate seems to drop of the more minutes he plays, but that explanation still must be mostly true.

[Edited by - slimpack on 10-04-2006 11:48 AM]
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anyway I think people are blowing this out of proportion. Curry getting winded on the first day of camp during suicides, isnt particularly a cuase for concern. Im thinking there are plenty of starting centers in the league that would have had difficulty finishing as well, but they arent as under the microscope as curry is. At least curry has the right attitude. in my mind it could be worse, regarding this particular situation. anyway his vitality should improve, before the season starts. Ill only become as upset as some of you guys are when it becomes apparent that he cant average 30 mpg this season.
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10/4/2006  11:57 AM
Posted by martin:
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I push myself thru sprints all the time. thats how I keep increasing my stamina. Its not about seeing if I'm in shape. Its about inproving my stamina. If you do sprints and dont get winded then you are not doing them hard enough. The whole purpose of suicides is to push yourself to the absolute limit

excellent. Tell us your experience as a coach or how you know what the protocal in the the NBA is.


Ive coached both adults as a captain and kids as a coach for around 12 years. I dont know the NBA protocal since Ive never been at that level.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/4/2006  11:58 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

I push myself thru sprints all the time. thats how I keep increasing my stamina. Its not about seeing if I'm in shape. Its about inproving my stamina. If you do sprints and dont get winded then you are not doing them hard enough. The whole purpose of suicides is to push yourself to the absolute limit

Are we talking about Curry being winded or being able to finish the drill
He was able to finish. they said he was winded. they never said he couldnt finish

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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