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10/3/2006  1:25 PM
Posted by NJK:

If your guards are rebounding more than normal it means they're not in a position to push the ball up....unless they're Jason Kidd clones.

Where are the big men when these guards are rebounding?

If you're leading the league or are one of the top leading rebounding teams with your bigs getting the brunt of the boards; then you're making a difference in the standings.
You can push the ball up faster if the gaurd gets the rebound because the rebounder doesn't have to find someone to pass to and then pass it to him. The guard can just immediate push it up the floor.

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10/3/2006  1:26 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by NJK:

If your guards are rebounding more than normal it means they're not in a position to push the ball up....unless they're Jason Kidd clones.

Where are the big men when these guards are rebounding?

If you're leading the league or are one of the top leading rebounding teams with your bigs getting the brunt of the boards; then you're making a difference in the standings.

Yeah those teams with Micheal Jordan and Magic Johnson getting 6-9 rebounds a game were really bad, lol. :)

Yeah; they played real good last season....BTW....hasn't the game changed a little since then........lol

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10/3/2006  1:28 PM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by NJK:

If your guards are rebounding more than normal it means they're not in a position to push the ball up....unless they're Jason Kidd clones.

Where are the big men when these guards are rebounding?

If you're leading the league or are one of the top leading rebounding teams with your bigs getting the brunt of the boards; then you're making a difference in the standings.
You can push the ball up faster if the gaurd gets the rebound because the rebounder doesn't have to find someone to pass to and then pass it to him. The guard can just immediate push it up the floor.


Not trying to be funny, so that means the big men should stand around and wait for Marbs & Francis, Crawford, etc to get the rebounds from Ben wallace, Tim Duncan, etc.?
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10/3/2006  1:28 PM
Posted by NJK:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by NJK:

If your guards are rebounding more than normal it means they're not in a position to push the ball up....unless they're Jason Kidd clones.

Where are the big men when these guards are rebounding?

If you're leading the league or are one of the top leading rebounding teams with your bigs getting the brunt of the boards; then you're making a difference in the standings.

Yeah those teams with Micheal Jordan and Magic Johnson getting 6-9 rebounds a game were really bad, lol. :)

Yeah; they played real good last season....BTW....hasn't the game changed a little since then........lol


Not that much. The teams that rebound the best and score more usually still win. :)
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/3/2006  1:29 PM
Posted by NJK:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by NJK:

If your guards are rebounding more than normal it means they're not in a position to push the ball up....unless they're Jason Kidd clones.

Where are the big men when these guards are rebounding?

If you're leading the league or are one of the top leading rebounding teams with your bigs getting the brunt of the boards; then you're making a difference in the standings.
You can push the ball up faster if the gaurd gets the rebound because the rebounder doesn't have to find someone to pass to and then pass it to him. The guard can just immediate push it up the floor.


Not trying to be funny, so that means the big men should stand around and wait for Marbs & Francis, Crawford, etc to get the rebounds from Ben wallace, Tim Duncan, etc.?

No it means teams that rebound well at more positions usually have an advantage than teams that just soley rely on 3 big guys to rebound and nobody else chips in on the boards.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/3/2006  1:30 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by NJK:
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Posted by NJK:

If your guards are rebounding more than normal it means they're not in a position to push the ball up....unless they're Jason Kidd clones.

Where are the big men when these guards are rebounding?

If you're leading the league or are one of the top leading rebounding teams with your bigs getting the brunt of the boards; then you're making a difference in the standings.

Yeah those teams with Micheal Jordan and Magic Johnson getting 6-9 rebounds a game were really bad, lol. :)

Yeah; they played real good last season....BTW....hasn't the game changed a little since then........lol


Not that much. The teams that rebound the best and score more usually still win. :)

Knicks led the league in rebounding last year; and were 59-23.....I mean 23-59......and usually the team that scores the most points always wins the game.
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10/3/2006  1:39 PM
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you cant... there's no way Marbury or Steve arent starting. They both had to and ISiah knows it. They can play good soldier bla bla bla but if they dont start its a sulkfest. They are our guards. I would bring Crawford off the bench for 30 minutes a game backing up the 1/2 and in 3 guard alignments. Use Q as the 4th guard w/ some time at SF

Nate sits


So you determine who starts on your team by who sulks? Would a great coach like Bill Parcells do that? Would Pat Riley? Would Phil Jackson? No so why should we. If Marbs suclks then send him to Houston to train with Penny Hardaway. It should be 100% team first not he who sulks most plays most
this is not my team. I would have never collected a bunch of loser quitters like this Isiah did. My only point was that id Isiah is going to have any success with this group he's committed and obligated to live and die with Franbury, unless he quickly finds a trade for one.

And yes.. those coaches would. Sometimes its about playing the hand your dealt.

No chance the coachs I metioned would play somebody because they sulk the most. Phil Jackson didnt given in to Scottie Pipens sulking vs the knicks in the playoffs. He called Kukoc for the game tying shot. scottie couldnt deal with it so he took a seat on the bench.
That was the last play of the game. Pippen wasnt sulking until that play, and Phil didnt bench him the next game did he? What action did Phil take? Nothing... I dont get the point.

Regardless the point is if Marbury and Francis dont both get starters minutes from the get go they will whine, sulk and otherwise be a disruptive/distraction to the team, as they have in the past.

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10/3/2006  1:42 PM
Steph and Francis is a tough balancing act, but the thing is that they will have to get used to sharing the duties of running the offense, much like Dumars and Isiah did. Sometimes Dumars would run the show and at other times Isiah. Dumars and Isiah were a small backcourt and you could add in 6-2 Vinnie Johnson. I think Isiah feels he has a good idea of how this might work. I guess if anyone could find a way it would be him. Now I know that Dumars was a far different player than either Steph or Francis, but i'm merely speaking about guys sharing the role in the backcourt. This doesn't guarantee that it will work, but I think there's a much better chance with Isiah.
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10/3/2006  1:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:
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you cant... there's no way Marbury or Steve arent starting. They both had to and ISiah knows it. They can play good soldier bla bla bla but if they dont start its a sulkfest. They are our guards. I would bring Crawford off the bench for 30 minutes a game backing up the 1/2 and in 3 guard alignments. Use Q as the 4th guard w/ some time at SF

Nate sits


So you determine who starts on your team by who sulks? Would a great coach like Bill Parcells do that? Would Pat Riley? Would Phil Jackson? No so why should we. If Marbs suclks then send him to Houston to train with Penny Hardaway. It should be 100% team first not he who sulks most plays most
this is not my team. I would have never collected a bunch of loser quitters like this Isiah did. My only point was that id Isiah is going to have any success with this group he's committed and obligated to live and die with Franbury, unless he quickly finds a trade for one.

And yes.. those coaches would. Sometimes its about playing the hand your dealt.

No chance the coachs I metioned would play somebody because they sulk the most. Phil Jackson didnt given in to Scottie Pipens sulking vs the knicks in the playoffs. He called Kukoc for the game tying shot. scottie couldnt deal with it so he took a seat on the bench.
That was the last play of the game. Pippen wasnt sulking until that play, and Phil didnt bench him the next game did he? What action did Phil take? Nothing... I dont get the point.

Regardless the point is if Marbury and Francis dont both get starters minutes from the get go they will whine, sulk and otherwise be a disruptive/distraction to the team, as they have in the past.

I understand your point. You can either give in to babies who throw tantrums or you can teach a team the right way to go. I dont believe you pick your team based on who will whine the most
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/3/2006  1:50 PM
Dumars and ISiah were tough sons a bitches that played defense and recognized the importance of team above all other things. Not the kind of guys to say things like "fans come here to see me play" or write "all alone" on their sneakers.

I hope your right though... honest to god I do.
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10/3/2006  1:51 PM
Posted by fishmike:
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you cant... there's no way Marbury or Steve arent starting. They both had to and ISiah knows it. They can play good soldier bla bla bla but if they dont start its a sulkfest. They are our guards. I would bring Crawford off the bench for 30 minutes a game backing up the 1/2 and in 3 guard alignments. Use Q as the 4th guard w/ some time at SF

Nate sits


So you determine who starts on your team by who sulks? Would a great coach like Bill Parcells do that? Would Pat Riley? Would Phil Jackson? No so why should we. If Marbs suclks then send him to Houston to train with Penny Hardaway. It should be 100% team first not he who sulks most plays most
this is not my team. I would have never collected a bunch of loser quitters like this Isiah did. My only point was that id Isiah is going to have any success with this group he's committed and obligated to live and die with Franbury, unless he quickly finds a trade for one.

And yes.. those coaches would. Sometimes its about playing the hand your dealt.

No chance the coachs I metioned would play somebody because they sulk the most. Phil Jackson didnt given in to Scottie Pipens sulking vs the knicks in the playoffs. He called Kukoc for the game tying shot. scottie couldnt deal with it so he took a seat on the bench.
That was the last play of the game. Pippen wasnt sulking until that play, and Phil didnt bench him the next game did he? What action did Phil take? Nothing... I dont get the point.

Regardless the point is if Marbury and Francis dont both get starters minutes from the get go they will whine, sulk and otherwise be a disruptive/distraction to the team, as they have in the past.
But he didnt give in to sulking. I never said to bench Marbs based on sulks. I said to start Francis and Jcraw based on abilities. Pipen didnt start because he would sulk nor did Phil Jackson change his play because Pippen sulked. The coach needs to be in charge not the players especially not ones that would try to disrupt the team because they dont get their way

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/3/2006  2:27 PM
I don't think minutes or sulking will be a problem this year because everyone's gonna get a nice pat on the tush from "Zeke" no matter what.

And isn't that all todays NBA player really needs?

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 10-03-2006 2:37 PM]
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10/3/2006  2:29 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by NJK:
Posted by wsdm:
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If your guards are rebounding more than normal it means they're not in a position to push the ball up....unless they're Jason Kidd clones.

Where are the big men when these guards are rebounding?

If you're leading the league or are one of the top leading rebounding teams with your bigs getting the brunt of the boards; then you're making a difference in the standings.
You can push the ball up faster if the gaurd gets the rebound because the rebounder doesn't have to find someone to pass to and then pass it to him. The guard can just immediate push it up the floor.


Not trying to be funny, so that means the big men should stand around and wait for Marbs & Francis, Crawford, etc to get the rebounds from Ben wallace, Tim Duncan, etc.?

No it means teams that rebound well at more positions usually have an advantage than teams that just soley rely on 3 big guys to rebound and nobody else chips in on the boards.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks.
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10/3/2006  2:34 PM
Marbury/Crawford have never worked well together and neither will Marbury/Francis or Francis/Crawford
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10/3/2006  2:38 PM
Marbury/Nate is a solid combo on offense because Nate's a very good shooter and both can penetrate. The only problems are that Marbury would have to gaurd SGs and that $25 mil annually would be benched and unhappy (Francis & Crawford).
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10/3/2006  3:06 PM
I dont remember francis and Jcraw having much time playing together. start them and let Nate and Marbs fight over the ball on the 2nd unit. Marbs has to guard pg's anyway. He is no way near fast enough to stop any pg penetration anymore
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/3/2006  3:17 PM
No it means teams that rebound well at more positions usually have an advantage than teams that just soley rely on 3 big guys to rebound and nobody else chips in on the boards.
I couldnt disagree more. A few years ago the Pistons were ranked among the lowest in total rebounds, but they had Ben Wallace. Guess who controlled the glass in key possesions?

When you have to have a rebound, what do you want? A team with a bunch of guys that can get a rebound or a team with a guy thats going to own the glass, like a Big Ben, Garnett, Ewing, Rodman, etc

I will take the stud every time.
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No it means teams that rebound well at more positions usually have an advantage than teams that just soley rely on 3 big guys to rebound and nobody else chips in on the boards.
I couldnt disagree more. A few years ago the Pistons were ranked among the lowest in total rebounds, but they had Ben Wallace. Guess who controlled the glass in key possesions?

When you have to have a rebound, what do you want? A team with a bunch of guys that can get a rebound or a team with a guy thats going to own the glass, like a Big Ben, Garnett, Ewing, Rodman, etc

I will take the stud every time.

Ill take a good team rebounding than 1-2 guys. If only 2 guys are rebounding that equals 20-25 rebounds a game max. You need other guys to pitch in. Oh when the key rebounds were needed I saw the Spurs get them in the 4th qtr not Ben. Rebounding was a major weakness for the Pistons last playoffs. Ewing was not alone. He had Oakly, Mason, Xman, Bonner plus startks and Harper pictching in. Rodman had Jordan helping as well as Pipen and whoever played center. In fact you are making my point via Chicago. Chicago was a team rebounding team not just the Center and PF.

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/3/2006  5:12 PM
no doubt...that's how I see it to the T.
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you cant... there's no way Marbury or Steve arent starting. They both had to and ISiah knows it. They can play good soldier bla bla bla but if they dont start its a sulkfest. They are our guards. I would bring Crawford off the bench for 30 minutes a game backing up the 1/2 and in 3 guard alignments. Use Q as the 4th guard w/ some time at SF

Nate sits

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10/3/2006  5:14 PM
because you jump on specific words in posts and we have to agree with you to get you to realize that you jumped on the extreme post.

I know you are a coach and all and your players are never allowed to say we want to be average.

But it gets old real quick when you are really just stating an opinion and the opinion is close to fact.

He didn't say he was happy about it. He just stated it...you added the happy...or do you not read the posts?

(just jokes, but you gotta get my point)
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I guess I just don't understand why you argue with me when you always seem to agree wtih me.

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