Posted by oohah:
Well I really don't consider it my job to satisfy you, but I will remind folks that joe recently posted numerous articles that show Isiah was rumored to be chasing Jalen for years. I suspect for his "valuable expiring contract", much like he went for Mo.
I did not say it was your job blue. It's just something that does not make sense and the answer is always contradictory.
Isiah did not have to chase Jalen for years. He had many opportunities to land him, and he turned down Rose many times. Until Brown specifically requested him.
You lay this out like it's common knowledge, but it reads like inside info to me. In truth it's pure conjecture.
And what is contradictory? The most logical reason that Jalen came when he did is the trade deadline the year prior to an expring contract actually expiring is the best economic time to make the trade. That way you pay the least for it. One could argue that the summer is really the pinnacle, but you'd need to be under the cap or have a trade exception to offer for that to work. neither applies to us.
years prior isiah was trying to swing Donyell Marshall and others in the deal, which probably would have meant saddling with one of our not so good contracts. This may have been the first year Isiah was willing to trade straight up for Jalen and a pick.
And I showed that pretty much every rumor of francis coming here included either a PG or defensive bigman that Brown wanted, and that Isiah wanted Francis as an "asset" for a big trade, like for JO or KG. I suspect Brown viewed Francis as a 6 month rental that would also bring along a defender or playmaker of his liking.
In no way do I see Brown wanting these guys as long term solutions. They were intended to be a means to an end, and that end was one Isiah did not provide. Like Mo, they were merely to be "meat"
Blue, the point is, if he is trying to get rid of "worms" (Malcontents, me-first players etc.), then it does not matter if he viewed Francis as a 6 month rental (But rarely played him in the meantime) or Rose as a rental, its adding more worms when the name of the game is getting rid of them.
It does not make sense. If Brown requested them you cannot just lay that at Isiah's feet; as you have said many times, it only makes sense to let Brown shop for the players he wanted. Francis and Rose are two of his purchases.
I'm not trying to lay it solely at isiah's feet, I'm explaining how the two of them could have come up with this together, and I'm explaining how after the fact the both of them could have wanted them gone. I just see them each having different motives for the same deal. I think the one motive they did share is that if they don't work out they can be bait, and if they do work out they just might help plug the hole we had while Marbury was out. short term planning just might be the intersection between Brown, Isiah and Dolan.
Unfortunately some wont want to buy that because it would fly in the face of their contention that Brown wanted to lose.
I really don't see the basis for your argument. You know Isiah promised larry 'his" players, and you know brown had his eyes set on players who were rumored to be included in the Francis trade. Isiah even told us he was pursuing them. Clearly he came up short in the totality of the package Brown was after, and i wouldn't be surprised if that was why Brown went fishing for himself.
I think Larry would have been tickled for francis to succeed, so as to displace marbury. Whether or not that would have been enough for isiah to give up on steph we'll never know - I suspect not. Regardless, an inside report stated that Francis was only showing up to practice like twice a week, and drunk at that. Chances are he was doing the same in Orlando. It's not surprising that they had a radically losing record with him and a radically winning one without. Nobody can make that work. But if brown had gotten the rest of the package he wanted at least he'd have those other components to work with. Instead all he got was the drunk.
You say my arguments don't make sense but in fact they're the only ones that do.
[Edited by - BlueSeats on 10-01-2006 4:58 PM]
10/1/2006 3:08 PM