Posted by Solace:

The sad part is, unless we don't resign the first batch of rookies, we *still* won't have the cap room to sign any big free agents when the summer of LBJ and Wade hits.

As for age, Isles proved it: the youth thing is junk. I also think about half of the teams have better or as good youth as we do. In other words, we're average. This proves it. Kool aid goin' down.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by islesfan:

Hey geniuses, specifically IRA, crzydmups and nixluva, perhaps you should reread my initial post.

I'm going strictly by age and not necessarily talent because the people who keep bringing youth up always include Balkman and Collins when neither have proven that they can do anything in the NBA.

I'm not the one that always includes Knicks based on age and not talent the way most of you do, especially nixluva, when they talk about how "young" and promising the Knicks are.

If Paul Miller becomes a Knick there's no doubt that he'll automatically be included as to the youth and promise that is the NY Knicks. No matter how much of a fringe player he is.

Don't cry when people use your own criteria against you.

well, if you don't talk about the talent of the players involved it doesn't really make sense. yes, everyone has a lot of youth. Boston is full of young players, but I'd rather our 7 than their 11. You just hammered away at Frye, saying he's at best the 15th or 20th best power forward in the league. Well that's after his rookie season in which he got inconsistent minutes from his coach and he missed the last 20 games with injury. Boston is still pinning their hopes on Al Jefferson, who has never had a stretch like Frye but they still hope will be an all-star. Sure, all bad teams look to their youth and hope for the best.

I do think you'd have to make a pretty thin argument that our crop of youth isn't one of the better ones in the league. One of whom finished in the top five in ROY voting despite missing the final two months and also won a rookie of the month honor and finished second on our team in scoring per minute, one of whom led the league in FG% and represents one of only true post-up centers in the league and led our team in scoring per minute, one of whom is a 6'11" long, rangy defender who can defend at least three positions well, one of whom was our best per minute rebounder and led our team in FG% at almost 60%, and one of whom shot .397 on 3pfg% and won the slam dunk contest.

I guess everyone's opinion can differ until they take the court though.

Posted by martin:

Posted by crzymdups:

We're way ahead of Boston and Atlanta in terms of quality young'uns. You want kids who don't play defense, look at those teams. You think Curry has a lot to learn, look at Marvin Williams.

so, like, which youth Knicks play D? Frye, Curry, Lee, Crawford, Nate? Any?

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by martin:

Posted by crzymdups:

We're way ahead of Boston and Atlanta in terms of quality young'uns. You want kids who don't play defense, look at those teams. You think Curry has a lot to learn, look at Marvin Williams.

so, like, which youth Knicks play D? Frye, Curry, Lee, Crawford, Nate? Any?

If you are a fan then you should know that Nate is a tough defender, Frye and Lee give an honest effort and Crawford actually improved his D last year. Now if you meant which of those guys is a defensive stopper, well then that's different. I do believe that most of our young players are willing to play hard on D. Isiah just added 3 more guys known to play hard on D, in Jared, Balkman and Collins. As we move along this team should improve defensively. Don't let last year fool you into thinking were actually that bad on D. A lot of that was a lack off chemistry and confusion due to the rotation, LB's defensive system and of course lack of experience by some of our young players. Look we don't have a great defensive team, but that alone isn't a reason why a team loses. There are teams that aren't great defensively but make it up with great offense. We'll likley be that kind of team and in today's league that can work.

It seems like you have an excuse ready for every single players shortcomings.

Hey I call it the way I see it. I hated all that needless switching LB had them doing last year. All it did was add further confusion. WHY, cuz if you are not going to give players a set rotation and consistent minutes together they'll NEVER develop defensive chemistry and trust for each other. Players won't know what to expect from each other and eventually the defense breaks down. Add to it the fact that he had a group of young players who weren't experienced enough in NBA defense to be proficient at it and you have a recipe for disaster. Contrary to popular belief the Knicks actually did try to defend, but it always broke down and sprung a leak and that is demoralizing, which further decreases a teams effectiveness.

If you already have a team that isn't the most defense minded, you have to try and make things easier for them to succeed. LB NEVER let them play a zone, which in some cases may have slowed down the opponent before they completely blew us out. Even if it ultimately didn't work, it was worth a try. LB never did that. Hell he even admitted that he never went over breaking the zone with the offense, which just goes to show that he never even used a zone in practice.

Posted by rvhoss:

the knick boards are more open to anti knick banter than other boards. The boston and philly boards are far less forgiving, but the fans police their boards better.

It's a reflection of our city.

When islesfat goes on some of his rants, I never see a moderator rebuttle...ever. Not even a request he tone it down.

I guess going to a UK get together gets you carte blanche. (sp?)



[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-01-2006 3:10 PM]

Posted by martin:

Posted by rvhoss:

the knick boards are more open to anti knick banter than other boards. The boston and philly boards are far less forgiving, but the fans police their boards better.

It's a reflection of our city.

When islesfat goes on some of his rants, I never see a moderator rebuttle...ever. Not even a request he tone it down.

I guess going to a UK get together gets you carte blanche. (sp?)



[Edited by - rvhoss on 10-01-2006 3:10 PM]

so now you want us to moderate opinions and the veracity of those opinions? How stupid is that?