Posted by Marv:

Posted by nyk4ever:

JWith all this cutting of players I really have to know, why was Jackie Butler let go?

because isiah doesn't think ahead. same reason we didn't need protection on last year's #1 and this year's.

Posted by martin:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by nyk4ever:

JWith all this cutting of players I really have to know, why was Jackie Butler let go?

because isiah doesn't think ahead. same reason we didn't need protection on last year's #1 and this year's.

true, true, but also becaues of Curry, Big Fat, Frye, DLee, JJSkinny, Malik Rose, who all can play the 4 or 5 positions.

Posted by Marv:

Posted by martin:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by nyk4ever:

JWith all this cutting of players I really have to know, why was Jackie Butler let go?

because isiah doesn't think ahead. same reason we didn't need protection on last year's #1 and this year's.

true, true, but also becaues of Curry, Big Fat, Frye, DLee, JJSkinny, Malik Rose, who all can play the 4 or 5 positions.

ooh i'm not so sure i want to see frye, dlee, malik or jjskinny at center. look at butler's build next to theirs. the only one who compares is malik, but his days as an effective 6'7" (6'5"??) center seem gone.

Posted by wsdm:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by wsdm:

Joe, that's just garbage media speculation. In contrast, Brown's has been directly quoted saying he asked Isiah to get Francis. (I'm not sure if he has been quoted about Rose too, though.)

Wsdm, have you ever heard of plausible deniability? This is the exact opposite.

For example.

I'm in a union and we are in the middle of elections. One of the guys says, "Well, the president of the union told me to run."
What he doesn't say is that he called the president of the union and actually asked "President X, I am thinking of running for the union rep job, but I am not sure.". To which president X says "Sure you should run, everyone who wants to try to be a union rep whould run.".

Two totally different scenarios in the context of what is said. The guys isn't lying. But he also isn't telling the truth.

If Isiah said to Larry "Look, this is the best I can do now, but these guys will not be here next year becauzse I am planning a big move. But I need you to endorse this trade, because Dolan is looking at me sideways because of all this money I added. I promise they won't be here next year and I will use them to get you players you want. Just please endorse this trade". Larry says, "Ok...I'll endorse it to the media, but you gotta promise me that they won't be here."

Technically they can say Larry endorsed it and it isn't a lie. It also isn't the whole truth.

And the last thing I am gonna believe is ANYTHING coming out of Dolan's or Isiah's mouth in an interview, given by, edited by, and aired by a company that Dolan owns and everyone associated with the interview works for him.

No, it wasn't any of that stuff. Larry said directly to the media that as soon as Francis was available, he went running to Isiah to ask him to get Francis.

Can you please tell me how this disproves or even offers any iota of an argument to the post you quoted? That is exactly the type of thing I was talking about?

[Edited by - joec32033 on 09-24-2006 3:42 PM]

Posted by wsdm:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by wsdm:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by wsdm:

Joe, that's just garbage media speculation. In contrast, Brown's has been directly quoted saying he asked Isiah to get Francis. (I'm not sure if he has been quoted about Rose too, though.)

Wsdm, have you ever heard of plausible deniability? This is the exact opposite.

For example.

I'm in a union and we are in the middle of elections. One of the guys says, "Well, the president of the union told me to run."
What he doesn't say is that he called the president of the union and actually asked "President X, I am thinking of running for the union rep job, but I am not sure.". To which president X says "Sure you should run, everyone who wants to try to be a union rep whould run.".

Two totally different scenarios in the context of what is said. The guys isn't lying. But he also isn't telling the truth.

If Isiah said to Larry "Look, this is the best I can do now, but these guys will not be here next year becauzse I am planning a big move. But I need you to endorse this trade, because Dolan is looking at me sideways because of all this money I added. I promise they won't be here next year and I will use them to get you players you want. Just please endorse this trade". Larry says, "Ok...I'll endorse it to the media, but you gotta promise me that they won't be here."

Technically they can say Larry endorsed it and it isn't a lie. It also isn't the whole truth.

And the last thing I am gonna believe is ANYTHING coming out of Dolan's or Isiah's mouth in an interview, given by, edited by, and aired by a company that Dolan owns and everyone associated with the interview works for him.

No, it wasn't any of that stuff. Larry said directly to the media that as soon as Francis was available, he went running to Isiah to ask him to get Francis.

Can you please tell me how this disproves or even offers any iota of an argument to the post you quoted? That is esactly the type of thing I was talking about?

I editted the reply. The quote makes it pretty clear Larry wanted the trade first and Isiah followed. It's more like you need to switch Isiah's and Larry's names in each sentence above: Isiah endorsed the trade because he had to in order for Dolan to approve it.

no. The quote makes it pretty clear that LB brought up the possibility of the trade with Isiah and Isiah made the final decision to make the trade.