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9/23/2006  1:56 PM
LB and his Rep. Joe Glass are something else. LB already made like 28 mil this year when you combine his Detroit Buyout and his 1st yr. salary from NY. Now he wants to add on to his contract for basically doing NOTHING? I thought he was pretty unscrupulous before, but now he's gone overboard. I don't care how bad of an owner Dolan is, LB just doesn't deserve any of this money he's trying to get. I really detest the guy for wanting to get paid for nothing. Moreover he ruined my team last year and now he wants to get paid even more? I hope he doesn't get a dime now.
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9/23/2006  2:24 PM
Posted by nixluva:

LB and his Rep. Joe Glass are something else. LB already made like 28 mil this year when you combine his Detroit Buyout and his 1st yr. salary from NY. Now he wants to add on to his contract for basically doing NOTHING? I thought he was pretty unscrupulous before, but now he's gone overboard. I don't care how bad of an owner Dolan is, LB just doesn't deserve any of this money he's trying to get. I really detest the guy for wanting to get paid for nothing. Moreover he ruined my team last year and now he wants to get paid even more? I hope he doesn't get a dime now.

You could say the same thing about almost every Knick player. Dolan signed the contract, he should honor it. Your boys Marbury and Francis played horrible last year, yet I don't see you asking them to give back any of their salary.
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9/23/2006  2:33 PM
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Simply put... I hope Dolan pays out the ass.

People don't understand what a contract means.

So your saying Brown should get his 50 million then.



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9/23/2006  2:46 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Simply put... I hope Dolan pays out the ass.

People don't understand what a contract means.

So your saying Brown should get his 50 million then.



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9/23/2006  3:27 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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Simply put... I hope Dolan pays out the ass.

People don't understand what a contract means.

So your saying Brown should get his 50 million then.
Only if Brown upheld his part of the contract, which is yet to be determined.
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9/23/2006  3:44 PM
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Only if Brown upheld his part of the contract, which is yet to be determined.

Oh please, all this BS about him talking in the media and whatnot, comeon. This is professional sports, players, coaches, owners, their all going to talk to the media. As usual Dolan has the spin and propoganda machine rolling on all facets and you guys are absolutely eating it up.
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9/23/2006  4:13 PM
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LB and his Rep. Joe Glass are something else. LB already made like 28 mil this year when you combine his Detroit Buyout and his 1st yr. salary from NY. Now he wants to add on to his contract for basically doing NOTHING? I thought he was pretty unscrupulous before, but now he's gone overboard. I don't care how bad of an owner Dolan is, LB just doesn't deserve any of this money he's trying to get. I really detest the guy for wanting to get paid for nothing. Moreover he ruined my team last year and now he wants to get paid even more? I hope he doesn't get a dime now.

You could say the same thing about almost every Knick player. Dolan signed the contract, he should honor it. Your boys Marbury and Francis played horrible last year, yet I don't see you asking them to give back any of their salary.

The difference in my opinion is that LB wasn't trying to win. I never felt that Francis wasn't trying to fit in, he was at a disadvantage coming into a broken situation in which the team never develped any kind of cohesion. The reason for the lack of cohesion can be directly traced to LB's use of the roster. Steph clearly wasn't happy, but don't forget that he was injured fighting thru a pick and he tried to come back and help the team even tho he was in severe pain. LB pretty much begged off in training camp!!!

You can try to blame Steph all you want, but you try to win games when your coach puts QRich, Malik & AD on the floor with you to start games and then he expects you to just pass the ball to these guys and stand at the top of the key watching them brick shots. One game againt LA, he had QRich, Ariza, AD and Curry start with Steph. 3 of those guys aren't offensive threats at all. The next game he had Steph, Jamal, Malik, AD and Curry. Now we know injuries also played a part in all this too, but aside from that, there never was a set rotation that the team had established. Remember that we had 8 new players and some level of consistency was going to be needed to help these players develop some chemistry together.

Dec, 2nd against Detroit, LB had Steph, QRich, Malik, MO and AD in the Starting lineup. Steph had 11pts & 11 asts, QRich 7, Malik 2, Mo 6 and AD 8. Meanwhile off the bench Jamal had 22 and Frye had 21. Lee got in the game for 6 seconds. LB had the most control over what this team could do, since he was the one making the roster decisions. QRich, Malik and Mo didn't deserve to be out there to start games and AD was too old and best used off the bench. How can you ever side with LB in this issue? He doesn't deserve what he's asking for. He was deliberately breaking team policy and wrecking this teams chances of having any kind of success.
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9/23/2006  4:31 PM
Posted by nixluva:

The difference in my opinion is that LB wasn't trying to win. I never felt that Francis wasn't trying to fit in, he was at a disadvantage coming into a broken situation in which the team never develped any kind of cohesion. The reason for the lack of cohesion can be directly traced to LB's use of the roster. Steph clearly wasn't happy, but don't forget that he was injured fighting thru a pick and he tried to come back and help the team even tho he was in severe pain. LB pretty much begged off in training camp!!!
What are you talking about, this is all nonsense. Why is Steph allowed to be unhappy and not play basketball up to his capabilities just becuase he doesnt want too? How do you condone this? I don't care if your being coached by Satan himself if your making 20 million dollars a year to play basketball. You go out there and you play and make players around you better. Clearly Steph isn't and never will be cut out to do this.
You can try to blame Steph all you want, but you try to win games when your coach puts QRich, Malik & AD on the floor with you to start games and then he expects you to just pass the ball to these guys and stand at the top of the key watching them brick shots. One game againt LA, he had QRich, Ariza, AD and Curry start with Steph. 3 of those guys aren't offensive threats at all. The next game he had Steph, Jamal, Malik, AD and Curry. Now we know injuries also played a part in all this too, but aside from that, there never was a set rotation that the team had established. Remember that we had 8 new players and some level of consistency was going to be needed to help these players develop some chemistry together.
Well lets not forget something, who is the one that brought guys like AD, Malik, QRich to this team to begin with? Oh yeah, your God Isiah did that. These guys have to play when your GM is trying to show the world that he didn't get hosed on trades for these players, which is exactly what Brown did. Also, as I've said before, Steph is being paid greatly to play basketball in the NBA, it shouldn't matter if he's playing with a bunch of 8th graders, he should be out there doing his best to win ball games instead of being the primadona that he is.
Dec, 2nd against Detroit, LB had Steph, QRich, Malik, MO and AD in the Starting lineup. Steph had 11pts & 11 asts, QRich 7, Malik 2, Mo 6 and AD 8. Meanwhile off the bench Jamal had 22 and Frye had 21. Lee got in the game for 6 seconds. LB had the most control over what this team could do, since he was the one making the roster decisions. QRich, Malik and Mo didn't deserve to be out there to start games and AD was too old and best used off the bench. How can you ever side with LB in this issue? He doesn't deserve what he's asking for. He was deliberately breaking team policy and wrecking this teams chances of having any kind of success.
You guys obssess over who starts and who doesn't. The only thing that matters is who plays the most amount of minutes. This game that you mention, Frye played 32 minutes, Crawford played 33minutes. How is this deliberately breaking team policy? Deliberately breaking team policy would be not playing any of the good players on purpose at all. ZERO minutes. Who cares who starts, all that matters is who plays the most minutes and clearly here, Frye, Jamal, Marbury played the most minutes. Again, you can thank your GM for acquiring guys like Malik, Mo, Jerome James, AD(all who play the same position as Frye and Lee, by the way.) You really think Isiah Thomas would allow Brown to sit all these guys on the bench and never play after he made trades for these players? If you think so your crazy. IT is a proud man, too proud and it got the best of the Knicks last year and prior years since he's been here.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-23-2006 4:34 PM]
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9/23/2006  4:35 PM
Again, you can thank your GM for acquiring guys like Malik, Mo, Jerome James, AD. You really think Isiah Thomas would allow Brown to sit all these guys on the bench and never play after he made trade for these players? If you think so your crazy. IT is a proud man, too proud and it got the best of the Knicks last year and prior years since he's been here.
I don't get your question. He acquired every player on the roster. Of course he knows that some would have to sit. He knows that no team uses a 15 man rotation.
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9/23/2006  4:45 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nixluva:

The difference in my opinion is that LB wasn't trying to win. I never felt that Francis wasn't trying to fit in, he was at a disadvantage coming into a broken situation in which the team never develped any kind of cohesion. The reason for the lack of cohesion can be directly traced to LB's use of the roster. Steph clearly wasn't happy, but don't forget that he was injured fighting thru a pick and he tried to come back and help the team even tho he was in severe pain. LB pretty much begged off in training camp!!!
What are you talking about, this is all nonsense. Why is Steph allowed to be unhappy and not play basketball up to his capabilities just becuase he doesnt want too? How do you condone this? I don't care if your being coached by Satan himself if your making 20 million dollars a year to play basketball. You go out there and you play and make players around you better. Clearly Steph isn't and never will be cut out to do this.
You can try to blame Steph all you want, but you try to win games when your coach puts QRich, Malik & AD on the floor with you to start games and then he expects you to just pass the ball to these guys and stand at the top of the key watching them brick shots. One game againt LA, he had QRich, Ariza, AD and Curry start with Steph. 3 of those guys aren't offensive threats at all. The next game he had Steph, Jamal, Malik, AD and Curry. Now we know injuries also played a part in all this too, but aside from that, there never was a set rotation that the team had established. Remember that we had 8 new players and some level of consistency was going to be needed to help these players develop some chemistry together.
Well lets not forget something, who is the one that brought guys like AD, Malik, QRich to this team to begin with? Oh yeah, your God Isiah did that. These guys have to play when your GM is trying to show the world that he didn't get hosed on trades for these players, which is exactly what Brown did. Also, as I've said before, Steph is being paid greatly to play basketball in the NBA, it shouldn't matter if he's playing with a bunch of 8th graders, he should be out there doing his best to win ball games instead of being the primadona that he is.
Dec, 2nd against Detroit, LB had Steph, QRich, Malik, MO and AD in the Starting lineup. Steph had 11pts & 11 asts, QRich 7, Malik 2, Mo 6 and AD 8. Meanwhile off the bench Jamal had 22 and Frye had 21. Lee got in the game for 6 seconds. LB had the most control over what this team could do, since he was the one making the roster decisions. QRich, Malik and Mo didn't deserve to be out there to start games and AD was too old and best used off the bench. How can you ever side with LB in this issue? He doesn't deserve what he's asking for. He was deliberately breaking team policy and wrecking this teams chances of having any kind of success.
You guys obssess over who starts and who doesn't. The only thing that matters is who plays the most amount of minutes. This game that you mention, Frye played 32 minutes, Crawford played 33minutes. How is this deliberately breaking team policy? Deliberately breaking team policy would be not playing any of the good players on purpose at all. ZERO minutes. Who cares who starts, all that matters is who plays the most minutes and clearly here, Frye, Jamal, Marbury played the most minutes. Again, you can thank your GM for acquiring guys like Malik, Mo, Jerome James, AD. You really think Isiah Thomas would allow Brown to sit all these guys on the bench and never play after he made trade for these players? If you think so your crazy. IT is a proud man, too proud and it got the best of the Knicks last year and prior years since he's been here.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-23-2006 4:32 PM]

You're LOST!!! What do you mean it doesn't matter who starts? Of course it does!!! By your theory every team in the NBA could just start any group of guys and the results would be the same. That's far from the truth and you know it. By NOT starting your better players you get the other team in a confident and comfortable frame of mind and your team will have the opposite mental state. It makes it tougher on the guys coming in off the bench to try and get the team back into the game. its ALWAYS harder to play catchup than it is to play even or have a lead.

Also in terms of Steph being able to ignore the annoyance of his coach and just going out and performing at his best, that's a bunch of GARBAGE!!! Just imagine how debilitating it is to go on the floor with a group of guys who aren't capable of holding up their end of the bargain and yet you are being judged on how well those guys do. On top of that you are being asked to pass to them 1st and 2nd and look for your offense last. Obviously with the guys on the floor that is NOT GOING TO WORK! So already you're frustrated cuz of this situation. The other team is laughing at you and dunking on your head. meanwhile you KNOW that you can help the team if you take over for a while, but that's not what your coach wants and he's gonna be all over you if you break away from his plan.

As far as LB playing the guys that Isiah brought in, you have to give me a break with that crap. Every roster has guys on it that aren't going to play major roles on the team. Meanwhile we had guys who clearly showed they were more productive that were on the bench or worse not even active. How do you explain Lee not being active? How do you explain QRich getting so many starts even thos he STUNK most of the year. How many bricks did LB have to see before he sat this guy? I mean Nate was more productive than QRich was. There's simply no defending LB's use of the roster. Why are you even trying?

NYK4ever, you really are going to have to explain to me how your view makes ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER! Cuz I can't see the logic of your argument at all.

[Edited by - NIXLUVA on 09-23-2006 4:47 PM]
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9/23/2006  4:55 PM
Posted by nixluva:


NYK4ever, you really are going to have to explain to me how your view makes ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER! Cuz I can't see the logic of your argument at all.

[Edited by - NIXLUVA on 09-23-2006 4:47 PM]

Welcome to my world. I don't understand ANY of your views.
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NYK4ever, you really are going to have to explain to me how your view makes ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER! Cuz I can't see the logic of your argument at all.

[Edited by - NIXLUVA on 09-23-2006 4:47 PM]

Welcome to my world. I don't understand ANY of your views.

NO, no, no! You can't let yourself off the hook that easily. You didn't even try to address the points I made.

You said it doesn't matter who starts but who plays the most amount of minutes. I say that it DOES matter. On teams there are often clearly guys who should be starting and those who shouldn't. Falling behind because you're playing the wrong guys is not the way to win games. As I said it's harder to play catchup than it is to play a team even or have a lead. The mere fact that Jamal and Frye kept putting up better numbers than the guys who started ahead of them shows that they were deserving of the start and possibly even more minutes. Plus the fact that LB held back a guy like Lee, who clearly deserved to play more. Heck a case could also have been made for Nate. You also have the fact that LB would often put too many of our worst players on the floor at the SAME TIME. As I pointed out in my other post. QRich, Malik, Mo and AD on the floor together to start a game is INSANE!!!

If YOU were the PG on the Knicks last year and you saw LB put those guys on the floor with you and compared them to who you had on the bench, don't you think you'd be a bit ticked off? With each brick, don't you think you'd grow more and more annoyed.
Even on defense, those guys can barely MOVE!!!
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9/23/2006  5:15 PM
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NO, no, no! You can't let yourself off the hook that easily. You didn't even try to address the points I made.

You said it doesn't matter who starts but who plays the most amount of minutes. I say that it DOES matter. On teams there are often clearly guys who should be starting and those who shouldn't. Falling behind because you're playing the wrong guys is not the way to win games. As I said it's harder to play catchup than it is to play a team even or have a lead. The mere fact that Jamal and Frye kept putting up better numbers than the guys who started ahead of them shows that they were deserving of the start and possibly even more minutes. Plus the fact that LB held back a guy like Lee, who clearly deserved to play more. Heck a case could also have been made for Nate. You also have the fact that LB would often put too many of our worst players on the floor at the SAME TIME. As I pointed out in my other post. QRich, Malik, Mo and AD on the floor together to start a game is INSANE!!!
The Knicks hired Larry for 5 years, obviously this is a sign to Larry, that the team is giving him 5 years to institute his methods and the way he does things and by the time 5 years is up, they make a decision on whether or not they like the direction, he's taken them. This is EXACTLY what he'd done at every stop he's been at, if the Dolan, Mills and Isiah didn't know this than they are absolutely stupid. Firing him after Year 1 is absolutely rediciulous when he's trying to figure out what players he wants on this team and what players he doesn't. As I've said before, say whatever you want about that, but thats what he's done wherever he's coached and the Knicks should not have expected him to change that just becuase now he's coaching the Knicks. Prior to last year the team did nothing under Isiah Thomas, change and a person with a different direction was necessary, so they gave it to Brown, a coach who does things his way and as I've said before, if the Knicks didn't do this then they are absolutely STUIPID.
If YOU were the PG on the Knicks last year and you saw LB put those guys on the floor with you and compared them to who you had on the bench, don't you think you'd be a bit ticked off? With each brick, don't you think you'd grow more and more annoyed.
Even on defense, those guys can barely MOVE!!!
This is just blabber. Your being paid 20million dollars to play PG for the Knicks, play it and don't ask questions, especially if your a player whose had a terrible past and has had no history of success in this league. Your way probably isn't whats best becuase it hasn't work before, so shut your mouth and play basketball.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-23-2006 5:16 PM]
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9/23/2006  5:27 PM
This is exactly why people say you can't rebuild in New York, fans in NY don't understand it, fans in NY only know Winning, they don't know anything else and they think thats the only way, well it's not. Larry Brown was rebuilding this team to the way that he wanted becuase he had a 5 year contract. If I had a 5 year contract, I'd figure that the team was behind me to do things my way, as well. When you are rebuilding, the concept is to BUILD for the future and sometimes that wins come as a cost, obviously you want to win more than 23 games, but thats the way it goes. Larry felt he was doing this, just the same way he'd done in previous places.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-23-2006 5:27 PM]
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9/23/2006  5:47 PM
You can absolutely rebuild in NY. You just can't rebuild under Cablevision!
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You can absolutely rebuild in NY. You just can't rebuild under Cablevision!

I agree fully with that, the cablevision part. There are alot of fans that don't understand rebuilding in New York though, as evidenced as the many attempts that have been done in all sports in NY which followed with fan upheaval.

Cablevision is the reason why Larry Brown is not the coach of this team anymore. He tried to rebuild, since he had a 5 year contract and he was fired after 1 year. If Larry Brown had a 1 year contract, I guarentee you things would have been much different last year becuase he would NOT have tried to rebuild this roster.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-23-2006 5:50 PM]
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You can absolutely rebuild in NY. You just can't rebuild under Cablevision!

I agree fully with that, the cablevision part. There are alot of fans that don't understand rebuilding in New York though, as evidenced as the many attempts that have been done in all sports in NY which followed with fan upheaval.

Cablevision is the reason why Larry Brown is not the coach of this team anymore. He tried to rebuild, since he had a 5 year contract and he was fired after 1 year. If Larry Brown had a 1 year contract, I guarentee you things would have been much different last year becuase he would NOT have tried to rebuild this roster.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-23-2006 5:50 PM]
We're in agreement over Cablevision. From watching what he did with all the young players, I can't see how Larry was trying to rebuild but I suspect we're gonna get nowhere arguing that one!
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i think larry wins this one. if dolan wanted a deal he should have negotiated it instead of firing him. dolan really is one stupid ass motherf**king putz. there really is no other way of describing this guy.
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I'd say he's

one filthy rich money making machine stupid ass motherf**king putz
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I'd say he's

one filthy rich money making machine stupid ass motherf**king putz

even he hasn't figured out a way yet of making the cablevision money spigot run dry.
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