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Ewing: "I should have stayed a Knick"
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bigpimpin
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9/22/2006  2:25 PM
Thanks for the memories, Ew.
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9/22/2006  5:28 PM
Patrick slowed in his 30's after numerous injuries but at 23 Patrick was a very quick guy. He was faster than Eddy by a lot especially on his second jump for a bound. I say this while being a Curry fan. Patrick is a top 50 player all time. Thats setting the bar way too high for curry. If curry gives us 18-9 than he will be a good trade. Only Hakeem and Drob were faster than Patrick when Patrick was in his mid 20's-late 20's.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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9/22/2006  5:51 PM
Yeah, I agree with Nalod. Like you guys have said, he's got great hands. I'll add that he's got a broader frame (wider, stronger shoulders and chest) than Patrick.
Patrick slowed in his 30's after numerous injuries but at 23 Patrick was a very quick guy. He was faster than Eddy by a lot especially on his second jump for a bound.
I hear ya, but maybe this is because Eddy never really cared about his conditioning.
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9/22/2006  6:04 PM
I would love to see Pat back with the Knicks.
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9/22/2006  6:25 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Patrick slowed in his 30's after numerous injuries but at 23 Patrick was a very quick guy. He was faster than Eddy by a lot especially on his second jump for a bound. I say this while being a Curry fan. Patrick is a top 50 player all time. Thats setting the bar way too high for curry. If curry gives us 18-9 than he will be a good trade. Only Hakeem and Drob were faster than Patrick when Patrick was in his mid 20's-late 20's.


Eddy is alot quicker the Patrick ever was,gets off the floor quicker than Patrick ever did..At 6' 10", rarely gets his dunks block...Pat got his dunks blocked all the time at 7'0"...Patrick was never quick...
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9/22/2006  6:45 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Eddy is alot quicker the Patrick ever was,gets off the floor quicker than Patrick ever did..At 6' 10", rarely gets his dunks block...Pat got his dunks blocked all the time at 7'0"...Patrick was never quick...

You're clearly not old enough to have seen Ewing in the 80's. And one doesn't become the 6th leading shot blocker in NBA history by being slow off the ground.



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9/22/2006  8:30 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by holfresh:
Eddy is alot quicker the Patrick ever was,gets off the floor quicker than Patrick ever did..At 6' 10", rarely gets his dunks block...Pat got his dunks blocked all the time at 7'0"...Patrick was never quick...

You're clearly not old enough to have seen Ewing in the 80's. And one doesn't become the 6th leading shot blocker in NBA history by being slow off the ground.




Yeah I'm old enough for that...I watch Ewing take G-Town to 3 championship games in 4 years he played for them...I was his biggest fan then too...Tremendous defensive demon in college, no one thought he would have developed offensively the way he did in the pros....Ewing always had trouble with quicker centers...He had trouble with Pinkney when they played Villanova...Ewing was never thought of as a quick player...You can block shots and not be quick, look at Big Snacks..

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9/22/2006  8:45 PM
Posted by holfresh:

You can block shots and not be quick, look at Big Snacks..

While I agree with you, I don't think Big Snacks is a good example, he plays like 15 minutes a nite, so he's not exactly overdoing it in there. He can afford to expend all his energy trying to block shots. Big Pat was playing 30+ minutes a night when he did his damage with the blocked shots.

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9/22/2006  11:45 PM








[Edited by - joec32033 on 09-22-2006 11:47 PM]
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9/22/2006  11:47 PM
This is for those of us with some soul.....


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9/23/2006  9:54 AM
Posted by holfresh:
Yeah I'm old enough for that...I watch Ewing take G-Town to 3 championship games in 4 years he played for them...I was his biggest fan then too...Tremendous defensive demon in college, no one thought he would have developed offensively the way he did in the pros....Ewing always had trouble with quicker centers...He had trouble with Pinkney when they played Villanova...Ewing was never thought of as a quick player...You can block shots and not be quick, look at Big Snacks..

I don't know what you're talking about, a young Ewing was very quick and agile. He might not have been Hakeem (no one was) but the man was very quick off the floor and had a pretty good one or two steps across the lane for a running jumper, and he fit well into Pitino's running game.

Put away your memories of Ewing's arthroscopic summers and ice bags on the sidelines and watch the video. There's no era in the NBA, or system, in which a young, prime Ewing would not be tearing it up. The challenge was not for Ewing to keep up with the other centers, their challenge was to keep up with him.

[Edited by - blueSeats on 09-23-2006 12:18 PM]
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9/23/2006  1:46 PM
Posted by joec32033:

This is for those of us with some soul.....

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9/24/2006  10:17 PM

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Patrick slowed in his 30's after numerous injuries but at 23 Patrick was a very quick guy. He was faster than Eddy by a lot especially on his second jump for a bound. I say this while being a Curry fan. Patrick is a top 50 player all time. Thats setting the bar way too high for curry. If curry gives us 18-9 than he will be a good trade. Only Hakeem and Drob were faster than Patrick when Patrick was in his mid 20's-late 20's.

Wrong. You're clearly a youngster who didnt see Ewing in his prime. Its not your fault, but, the Ewing you got to know was the Ewing after 4 knee surgeries. You should check Ewing from 85-92. He ran with the bomb squad and caught alley oops from Mark Jackson on fast breaks. He was faster, stronger and more athletic than Curry could ever be.

The Knicks were contenders and at their best in the 90s after that, and Ewing probably played the best ball of his career after 92, but, much of his athleticsm and explosiveness was gone.


Eddy is alot quicker the Patrick ever was,gets off the floor quicker than Patrick ever did..At 6' 10", rarely gets his dunks block...Pat got his dunks blocked all the time at 7'0"...Patrick was never quick...



[Edited by - LBeast on 09-24-2006 10:25 PM]
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9/24/2006  10:25 PM
Sorry I quoted the wrong post.
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9/24/2006  10:32 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Patrick slowed in his 30's after numerous injuries but at 23 Patrick was a very quick guy. He was faster than Eddy by a lot especially on his second jump for a bound. I say this while being a Curry fan. Patrick is a top 50 player all time. Thats setting the bar way too high for curry. If curry gives us 18-9 than he will be a good trade. Only Hakeem and Drob were faster than Patrick when Patrick was in his mid 20's-late 20's.


Eddy is alot quicker the Patrick ever was,gets off the floor quicker than Patrick ever did..At 6' 10", rarely gets his dunks block...Pat got his dunks blocked all the time at 7'0"...Patrick was never quick...

This was the post I meant to quote. And it wasnt often at all that Ewing got his dunks blocked. Its probably happpened less than 5 times his entire career.
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9/24/2006  11:02 PM
I saw Ewing in college and his rookie season. The rigors of the NBA slowed him down. He played a lot of games.

His knee problems slowed him down alot.

Him and eddy are way different type athletes and to argue is kinda silly.

Both possessed different raw talent. Ewing did not posess the natural offensive talent that eddy does and worked dammed hard to refine it. With out it he never would have been the star as he slowed down and became the offensive force we all know and loved.

Eddy in his dreams can't match the defensive abilty pat had early in his career to run, jump and block shots.

The young Ewing and the mature ewing are almost differnt players.

Eddy had he played under thompson would have possibly worked harder and become mentally tougher. A trade mark of the georgetown center! But eddy might have caved in or been found soft much earlier also.

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9/25/2006  1:53 AM
I don't see how Curry has natural talent? unless you consider dunking from 2ft or offensive fouls talent. Its not like he has a nice jumpshot or hook. He certainly doesn't have any talent defensively or on the boards. If he had more talent than Ewing we would not be hoping for 18 & 8 out of him
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9/25/2006  6:11 AM
I have to agree with the guys who say the young Patrick Ewing was pretty athletic for a center. He was never that agile, though I guess he was above average in agility in some ways (How's that for a contradiction!), remember how he used to walk on those lane moves he used to do? It was beautiful! He walked so much the ref couldn't possibly call it every time!

Them was the days....


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[Edited by - oohah on 25-09-2006 06:12 AM]
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9/25/2006  9:25 AM
Posted by gunsnewing:

I don't see how Curry has natural talent? unless you consider dunking from 2ft or offensive fouls talent. Its not like he has a nice jumpshot or hook. He certainly doesn't have any talent defensively or on the boards. If he had more talent than Ewing we would not be hoping for 18 & 8 out of him

eddy is quick for his size. Footspeed is good. Don't look at what he does, its how he does it.

Patrick vs. Eddy might be a better study of fudnamentals. Patrick had to work hard on his footwork as he was not naturally graceful. Did not have quick feet. Eddy has the quick feet and where patrick had to learn his moves.

Lets say its almost Allan Houstan vs. Marbury. Allans game was almost a perfection of fundmaentals. Where Marbury is a far more naturally gifted athlete. Not to say he does not work hard, but his advantage lies in strength and quickness.
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