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9/19/2006  6:08 PM
Seroiusly, the thing the Knicks need to keep doing is build through the draft and don't sign anymore huge rediculous contracts. Let these young guys develop, if they do develop, and then offer a few big contracts to a few real stars when they become available. It's what you don't' do now that matters. I feel that the Knicks are already on the right track with all of the rooks that we have acquired and need to concentrate on development, instead of the 'quick fix'.

This is what I see at this point. If this particular team ends up gong about .500 on the season, then we are in great shape. We just have to watch the money and be fiscally responsible. Our best young pieces will be the key. In a few years , this is were those free agents sigings that I mentioned above will be very important. In just two short seasons, we could be knocking on the door, if we play our cards right.
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9/19/2006  9:13 PM
Posted by 4949:

Seroiusly, the thing the Knicks need to keep doing is build through the draft and don't sign anymore huge rediculous contracts. Let these young guys develop, if they do develop, and then offer a few big contracts to a few real stars when they become available. It's what you don't' do now that matters. I feel that the Knicks are already on the right track with all of the rooks that we have acquired and need to concentrate on development, instead of the 'quick fix'.
Why then shouldn't they be planning for when LeBron or Wade are available in a few years? I don't understand your reasoning at all. It won't stop us from continuing to develop our young players at all. Getting one of those players isn't a quick fix its a good move. LeBron would only be 25 at that time.
Posted by 4949:

This is what I see at this point. If this particular team ends up gong about .500 on the season, then we are in great shape. We just have to watch the money and be fiscally responsible. Our best young pieces will be the key. In a few years , this is were those free agents sigings that I mentioned above will be very important. In just two short seasons, we could be knocking on the door, if we play our cards right.
Again what are you trying to say? If you're plan is to add a key FA, then that's exactly what the Knicks would be doing. Just remember that after the 2008-09 season they will drop $39mil when Steph and Steve's contracts expire. The next season will see another $15.9mil drop off when QRich & James expire. I fail to see what the problem is then in going after LeBron at that point. Wouldn't that be the BEST use of the cap space we'd have at that point?

I have to make a correction to what i've said in other posts, Jamal doesn't expire after 2009-10, it seems he has a player option

[Edited by - NIXLUVA on 09-19-2006 9:16 PM]
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9/19/2006  9:25 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by 4949:

Seroiusly, the thing the Knicks need to keep doing is build through the draft and don't sign anymore huge rediculous contracts. Let these young guys develop, if they do develop, and then offer a few big contracts to a few real stars when they become available. It's what you don't' do now that matters. I feel that the Knicks are already on the right track with all of the rooks that we have acquired and need to concentrate on development, instead of the 'quick fix'.
Why then shouldn't they be planning for when LeBron or Wade are available in a few years? I don't understand your reasoning at all. It won't stop us from continuing to develop our young players at all. Getting one of those players isn't a quick fix its a good move. LeBron would only be 25 at that time.
Posted by 4949:

This is what I see at this point. If this particular team ends up gong about .500 on the season, then we are in great shape. We just have to watch the money and be fiscally responsible. Our best young pieces will be the key. In a few years , this is were those free agents sigings that I mentioned above will be very important. In just two short seasons, we could be knocking on the door, if we play our cards right.
Again what are you trying to say? If you're plan is to add a key FA, then that's exactly what the Knicks would be doing. Just remember that after the 2008-09 season they will drop $39mil when Steph and Steve's contracts expire. The next season will see another $15.9mil drop off when QRich & James expire. I fail to see what the problem is then in going after LeBron at that point. Wouldn't that be the BEST use of the cap space we'd have at that point?

I have to make a correction to what i've said in other posts, Jamal doesn't expire after 2009-10, it seems he has a player option

[Edited by - NIXLUVA on 09-19-2006 9:16 PM]

I agree getting Lebron is a great idea(obviously) but you make it sound like the Knicks will not add ANY contracts before then. If Isiah is still here, the Knicks will have added more contracts and when Francis and Marbury come off, it won't matter.
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9/19/2006  9:36 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by 4949:

Seroiusly, the thing the Knicks need to keep doing is build through the draft and don't sign anymore huge rediculous contracts. Let these young guys develop, if they do develop, and then offer a few big contracts to a few real stars when they become available. It's what you don't' do now that matters. I feel that the Knicks are already on the right track with all of the rooks that we have acquired and need to concentrate on development, instead of the 'quick fix'.
Why then shouldn't they be planning for when LeBron or Wade are available in a few years? I don't understand your reasoning at all. It won't stop us from continuing to develop our young players at all. Getting one of those players isn't a quick fix its a good move. LeBron would only be 25 at that time.
Posted by 4949:

This is what I see at this point. If this particular team ends up gong about .500 on the season, then we are in great shape. We just have to watch the money and be fiscally responsible. Our best young pieces will be the key. In a few years , this is were those free agents sigings that I mentioned above will be very important. In just two short seasons, we could be knocking on the door, if we play our cards right.
Again what are you trying to say? If you're plan is to add a key FA, then that's exactly what the Knicks would be doing. Just remember that after the 2008-09 season they will drop $39mil when Steph and Steve's contracts expire. The next season will see another $15.9mil drop off when QRich & James expire. I fail to see what the problem is then in going after LeBron at that point. Wouldn't that be the BEST use of the cap space we'd have at that point?

I have to make a correction to what i've said in other posts, Jamal doesn't expire after 2009-10, it seems he has a player option

[Edited by - NIXLUVA on 09-19-2006 9:16 PM]

I agree getting Lebron is a great idea(obviously) but you make it sound like the Knicks will not add ANY contracts before then. If Isiah is still here, the Knicks will have added more contracts and when Francis and Marbury come off, it won't matter.

Then I have to ask you when will we need to add contracts and why? We already have a pretty complete team, with young players ready to step in as we lose vets. The only kind of players we'll likely be adding are low salary bench players.

Curry, Frye, Jared, Steph, Francis, Jamal, Lee, Nate, QRich, James, Balkman & Collins are all signed thru the next 4 seasons. As i've already pointed out we'll only be losing huge amounts of salary as we go along, not taking on bigger salary. If you and I know that LeBRon and Wade will be available after the 2009-10 season don't you think the Knicks know that?
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9/19/2006  11:10 PM
Posted by nixluva:



Then I have to ask you when will we need to add contracts and why? We already have a pretty complete team, with young players ready to step in as we lose vets. The only kind of players we'll likely be adding are low salary bench players.

Curry, Frye, Jared, Steph, Francis, Jamal, Lee, Nate, QRich, James, Balkman & Collins are all signed thru the next 4 seasons. As i've already pointed out we'll only be losing huge amounts of salary as we go along, not taking on bigger salary. If you and I know that LeBRon and Wade will be available after the 2009-10 season don't you think the Knicks know that?

Earth to Nixluva, this "complete" team won 23 games last year and 33 the year before. How on Earth could you call this team complete when they haven't even stepped foot on the floor and you are calling rookies that we just drafted, true contributors to the roster. How can you say any of these things when under Isiah Thomas have went down in wins EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Take off the rose-colored glasses and please for once look at things objectively.

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[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-19-2006 11:11 PM]
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by 4949:

Seroiusly, the thing the Knicks need to keep doing is build through the draft and don't sign anymore huge rediculous contracts. Let these young guys develop, if they do develop, and then offer a few big contracts to a few real stars when they become available. It's what you don't' do now that matters. I feel that the Knicks are already on the right track with all of the rooks that we have acquired and need to concentrate on development, instead of the 'quick fix'.
Why then shouldn't they be planning for when LeBron or Wade are available in a few years? I don't understand your reasoning at all. It won't stop us from continuing to develop our young players at all. Getting one of those players isn't a quick fix its a good move. LeBron would only be 25 at that time.
Posted by 4949:

This is what I see at this point. If this particular team ends up gong about .500 on the season, then we are in great shape. We just have to watch the money and be fiscally responsible. Our best young pieces will be the key. In a few years , this is were those free agents sigings that I mentioned above will be very important. In just two short seasons, we could be knocking on the door, if we play our cards right.
Again what are you trying to say? If you're plan is to add a key FA, then that's exactly what the Knicks would be doing. Just remember that after the 2008-09 season they will drop $39mil when Steph and Steve's contracts expire. The next season will see another $15.9mil drop off when QRich & James expire. I fail to see what the problem is then in going after LeBron at that point. Wouldn't that be the BEST use of the cap space we'd have at that point?

I have to make a correction to what i've said in other posts, Jamal doesn't expire after 2009-10, it seems he has a player option

[Edited by - NIXLUVA on 09-19-2006 9:16 PM]

I agree getting Lebron is a great idea(obviously) but you make it sound like the Knicks will not add ANY contracts before then. If Isiah is still here, the Knicks will have added more contracts and when Francis and Marbury come off, it won't matter.
It's not Isiah. It's Dolan and Cablevision. No matter who the next GM is, they'll add more bad contracts. That's why I put "sell the Knicks" not "fire Isiah" in my signature. You could replace Isiah while keeping the the same ownership and you'll get more of the same just like we got after Layden was replaced. If you replaced the current ownership (wishful thinking!), the team could actually get a new, smarter direction.


[Edited by - wsdm on 09-19-2006 11:28 PM]
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Then I have to ask you when will we need to add contracts and why? We already have a pretty complete team, with young players ready to step in as we lose vets. The only kind of players we'll likely be adding are low salary bench players.

Curry, Frye, Jared, Steph, Francis, Jamal, Lee, Nate, QRich, James, Balkman & Collins are all signed thru the next 4 seasons. As i've already pointed out we'll only be losing huge amounts of salary as we go along, not taking on bigger salary. If you and I know that LeBRon and Wade will be available after the 2009-10 season don't you think the Knicks know that?

Earth to Nixluva, this "complete" team won 23 games last year and 33 the year before. How on Earth could you call this team complete when they haven't even stepped foot on the floor and you are calling rookies that we just drafted, true contributors to the roster. How can you say any of these things when under Isiah Thomas have went down in wins EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Take off the rose-colored glasses and please for once look at things objectively.

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[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-19-2006 11:11 PM]

I'd really like to know what the HELL you're talking about? I didn't say anything about the 2 rookies being big contributors. If you look at our Roster there's not enough minutes to go around NOW much less if we tried to add another big contract player to the roster. What i'm saying is that for the next 3 years this team is going to be in preparation for the LeBron and Wade FA class.

You tell me why we'd need to make any big trades between now and then? We have to at least see how this team works this year. Jalen and Mo will be gone and still we'd be pretty set in terms of our rotation.
Curry, Frye, Jared, Lee and James are MOST likely to still be here for the next few years. So we probably won't be adding any more frontcourt players. WHY SHOULD WE? Steph, Francis, Jamal, Nate and QRich are signed for the next 3 seasons so unless we trade someone there's no room there either. Behind them we have our two rookies. Man, i'd like to hear a logical explanation for why we'd be looking to bring in any big salary players at this point. WHERE WOULD THEY PLAY!?! Any player we tried to get would have to not only be better than the guys we have, but also cheaper. We have Frye, Jared, Lee and James and none of them are making more than the MLE. Why do we need to bring in someone who probably won't make us better and cost more?

EVERY YEAR FROM NOW TIL 2009-10 we're going to be dropping salary off the cap. I think you guys are NUTS if you think the Knicks haven't already planned to try to get LeBron and Wade after that season ends. All of our young players will be coming into their prime years by then, so it makes perfect sense. This is very plausible.

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9/19/2006  11:59 PM
Posted by nixluva:


I'd really like to know what the HELL you're talking about? I didn't say anything about the 2 rookies being big contributors. If you look at our Roster there's not enough minutes to go around NOW much less if we tried to add another big contract player to the roster. What i'm saying is that for the next 3 years this team is going to be in preparation for the LeBron and Wade FA class.

You tell me why we'd need to make any big trades between now and then? We have to at least see how this team works this year. Jalen and Mo will be gone and still we'd be pretty set in terms of our rotation.
Curry, Frye, Jared, Lee and James are MOST likely to still be here for the next few years. So we probably won't be adding any more frontcourt players. WHY SHOULD WE? Steph, Francis, Jamal, Nate and QRich are signed for the next 3 seasons so unless we trade someone there's no room there either. Behind them we have our two rookies. Man, i'd like to hear a logical explanation for why we'd be looking to bring in any big salary players at this point. WHERE WOULD THEY PLAY!?! Any player we tried to get would have to not only be better than the guys we have, but also cheaper. We have Frye, Jared, Lee and James and none of them are making more than the MLE. Why do we need to bring in someone who probably won't make us better and cost more?

EVERY YEAR FROM NOW TIL 2009-10 we're going to be dropping salary off the cap. I think you guys are NUTS if you think the Knicks haven't already planned to try to get LeBron and Wade after that season ends. All of our young players will be coming into their prime years by then, so it makes perfect sense. This is very plausible.

When have the Knicks EVER let contracts run off the books so they could sign a free-agent? Thats right they never have. Obviously this is a great idea to try and get Lebron or Wade but what gives you any sort of idea that the Knicks will change the way they've done things and do this? This is a foreign language to James Dolan and Isiah Thomas hasn't shown me otherwise. He uses the MLE every year, no matter who it is on and he acquires lofty contracts via trades on a daily basis. The problem is that you talk like it is a forgone conclusion that Lebron is coming to NY and that this is 100% happening, I guess thats what happens when you neglect to look at whats actually happened the last 10 years.

I understand though, your mantra on this site is to be the guy who makes all kinds of predictions and obviously just by sheer luck your going to have to be right sooner or later. All your doing is predicting things when you come on here and you just make claims on what will happen and what wont happen when you have nothing to backup your claims except your own good word.

Mr.Psychic, since you can tell the future, I'd love to know who will win the Super Bowl so I can place my bets now. Thanks.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-20-2006 12:10 AM]
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Posted by nyk4ever:
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I'd really like to know what the HELL you're talking about? I didn't say anything about the 2 rookies being big contributors. If you look at our Roster there's not enough minutes to go around NOW much less if we tried to add another big contract player to the roster. What i'm saying is that for the next 3 years this team is going to be in preparation for the LeBron and Wade FA class.

You tell me why we'd need to make any big trades between now and then? We have to at least see how this team works this year. Jalen and Mo will be gone and still we'd be pretty set in terms of our rotation.
Curry, Frye, Jared, Lee and James are MOST likely to still be here for the next few years. So we probably won't be adding any more frontcourt players. WHY SHOULD WE? Steph, Francis, Jamal, Nate and QRich are signed for the next 3 seasons so unless we trade someone there's no room there either. Behind them we have our two rookies. Man, i'd like to hear a logical explanation for why we'd be looking to bring in any big salary players at this point. WHERE WOULD THEY PLAY!?! Any player we tried to get would have to not only be better than the guys we have, but also cheaper. We have Frye, Jared, Lee and James and none of them are making more than the MLE. Why do we need to bring in someone who probably won't make us better and cost more?

EVERY YEAR FROM NOW TIL 2009-10 we're going to be dropping salary off the cap. I think you guys are NUTS if you think the Knicks haven't already planned to try to get LeBron and Wade after that season ends. All of our young players will be coming into their prime years by then, so it makes perfect sense. This is very plausible.

When have the Knicks EVER let contracts run off the books so they could sign a free-agent? Thats right they never have. Obviously this is a great idea to try and get Lebron or Wade but what gives you any sort of idea that the Knicks will change the way they've done things and do this? This is a foreign language to James Dolan and Isiah Thomas hasn't shown me otherwise. He uses the MLE every year, no matter who it is on and he acquires lofty contracts via trades on a daily basis. The problem is that you talk like it is a forgone conclusion that Lebron is coming to NY and that this is 100% happening, I guess thats what happens when you neglect to look at whats actually happened the last 10 years.

I understand though, your mantra on this site is to be the guy who makes all kinds of predictions and obviously just by sheer luck your going to have to be right sooner or later. All your doing is predicting things when you come on here and you just make claims on what will happen and what wont happen when you have nothing to backup your claims except your own good word.

Mr.Psychic, since you can tell the future, I'd love to know who will win the Super Bowl so I can place my bets now. Thanks.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-20-2006 12:10 AM]

Don't try to twist what I say and characterize me as some guy who just throws crap at the wall to see what sticks. I've backed up what I say with valid explanations. All you've done is say that "this is what the Knicks have done in the past, so they're gonna do it again". Gee that was real original.

I'm standing behind what I say and my feelings about this teams prospects this year. I'm not gonna run and hide if this season turns to crap. I'll be here to admit I was wrong if that happens. I just hope all of you guys will do likewise, cuz I can assure you that I won't forget all the crap you guys have been sending my way about things. When this team is looking good this year i'm gonna be right here to remind you guys what little faith you had in this team. I've fully explained why I think this team will be much improved this year. It's not like i'm just saying I predict they'll be better without any explanation as to why. Anyone can do that and just get lucky. If you strongly believe this team is destined to fail this year again, then stand by that.

I've been a fan for almost 30 years and i'm VERY aware of the mistakes this organization has made. That still doesn't mean that they can't change that behavior in order to take advantage of an important opportunity. I also never said it was a LOCK that they'd get LeBron or Wade, i've only suggested that its possible for the Knicks to plan for it and get under the cap by then. So far NO ONE has been able to refute what i've said. All you guys have done is say they've never done it before or make some stupid joke about Dolan or Isiah. It may turn out that they don't try to go after LeBron, but I still contend that they have a VERY good chance to make a run at him.

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Then I have to ask you when will we need to add contracts and why? We already have a pretty complete team, with young players ready to step in as we lose vets. The only kind of players we'll likely be adding are low salary bench players.

Curry, Frye, Jared, Steph, Francis, Jamal, Lee, Nate, QRich, James, Balkman & Collins are all signed thru the next 4 seasons. As i've already pointed out we'll only be losing huge amounts of salary as we go along, not taking on bigger salary. If you and I know that LeBRon and Wade will be available after the 2009-10 season don't you think the Knicks know that?

Earth to Nixluva, this "complete" team won 23 games last year and 33 the year before. How on Earth could you call this team complete when they haven't even stepped foot on the floor and you are calling rookies that we just drafted, true contributors to the roster. How can you say any of these things when under Isiah Thomas have went down in wins EVERY SINGLE YEAR. Take off the rose-colored glasses and please for once look at things objectively.

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[Edited by - nyk4ever on 09-19-2006 11:11 PM]

LOL @ the definition. Classic! Nixluva, no offense, but what planet are you on? Here on Earth, the Knicks have sucked for a while and will continue to suck until proven otherwise. "We already have a pretty complete team". Homer quote of the day. You add humor to my work day. Thanks, Nix! Hey, Isiah is looking for help, maybe you could join him, since you share the same optimism as our fearless leader. :P
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9/20/2006  9:55 AM
In a few years if Frye and Lee and Robinson turn out to be good players what happens to their contracts. Do they not count against the cap? Will they sign for the same amount they are getting now? Will we not sign free agents in the next three years? Make trades? Guy writes we will get Lebron three years from now and already guys are predicting exactly waht will happen.
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9/20/2006  10:21 AM
The better we are the less chance we have of getting Bron or Wade through free agency.

If we suck this year Dolan will probably fire Isiah and let contracts fall off and find someone to do a traditional rebuild through the draft and FA. So by sucking we might have a shot to clear payroll for him. Not that at that stage of his career he'd want to come to a still fledgling club...

But if we're good, like nixluva expects, dolan will want to keep adding on, trying to exploit his cash cow with increased revenues from playoffs and ad sales.

However, if we're good some of our guys might have raised their value enough that if such a player wanted to force a S&T with us their team might be willing to consider our offer, but that's a different scenario than what's being discussed here.

I have a feeling LBJ will stay in Cleveland his entire career, unless they really have trouble to build a supporting cast and he fears his career going the way of Garnett's. Bosh, OTOH may want to get outta Canada, and I think he'll be a really nice player, but not with the ceiling of a Lebron or Wade.
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9/20/2006  10:43 AM
Bosh, OTOH may want to get outta Canada, and I think he'll be a really nice player, but not with the ceiling of a Lebron or Wade.

Good article about Bosh here(I think you need insider) it is from the last issue of ESPNMag.
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9/20/2006  11:10 AM
some people still think the way to get lebron or wade is to trade mo taylor and jalen rose for them. IT is happy letting us think that. expiring contracts are not a cure-all for our poor performance. if they were to just disappear (as they seem to do when every other team lets them) i'd be just as happy. getting lebron is a long shot no matter how we pursue him, as a FA or through trade. i'd just as soon focus on what's best for our roster now as stockpile "assets" for some pie in the sky plan down the road.
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Again Solace, Bip and others, you're just NOT PAYING ATTENTION to what i've been saying.

The core players we have NOW are all signed thru 2008-09. After that season Steph and Francis contracts expire. However, up until that year, we have a very good chance that there won't be any BIG Contracts added. WHY?
Curry, Frye, Jared, Lee and James already occupy our Frontcourt spots for 2006-07 and its highly unlikely that we'll be able to make room for anyone else. Who could that be, Webber or KMart? Both of whom are big money players with leg problems. Why would we need them? Neither guy would guarantee us a title shot and too much money is involved.

We also have Steph, Francis, Jamal, QRich and Nate. The only way we add a backcourt player is if we can move one of our huge contracts. That's not likely given the way teams are penny pinching these days. Plus we already have Balkman and Collins on the roster to support off the bench. I never said there would not be anymore additions or trades, just not BIG MONEY moves that add a lot of salary over years. Again I have to ask why would we do that? We already have a young core of talent that is just now getting a shot to perform. We don't have enough minutes for the guys we already have.

So we can drop Jalen and Mo this year. Malik next year. Steph and Francis the year after that. This would set us up nicely for the end of 2009-10. Filling up the rest of the roster doesn't have to mean getting more big money players if the team is targeting LeBron or Wade or some other FA. The core of the team will still be here and young enough for a good run. If you think that the Knicks aren't aware of this and at least thinking about it, I think you're underestimating them a great deal. In recent years we've been making all these moves out of necessity. They were trying to improve the team. Now we have a young core that we can let play over the next 3 years. A lot of Big money additions won't be necessary until the 2009-10 season. Think about it. Houston, Jalen, Anderson and Mo represent $55mil that this team can cut off their cap number. Malik will take another $7mil next year and Steph and Francis another $39mil the year after that. That's $101mil over the next 3 years and we'd still have all of the young players on this team.
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9/20/2006  12:17 PM
I tend to agree. You obviously want to keep yourself in a position to take advantage of opportunities as they arise. However, I see no wisdom in planning the future of this team based on a hope that Lebron or Wade will want to sign here in 2010.
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Posted by nixluva:

Again Solace, Bip and others, you're just NOT PAYING ATTENTION to what i've been saying.

The core players we have NOW are all signed thru 2008-09. After that season Steph and Francis contracts expire. However, up until that year, we have a very good chance that there won't be any BIG Contracts added. WHY?
Curry, Frye, Jared, Lee and James already occupy our Frontcourt spots for 2006-07 and its highly unlikely that we'll be able to make room for anyone else. Who could that be, Webber or KMart? Both of whom are big money players with leg problems. Why would we need them? Neither guy would guarantee us a title shot and too much money is involved.

We also have Steph, Francis, Jamal, QRich and Nate. The only way we add a backcourt player is if we can move one of our huge contracts. That's not likely given the way teams are penny pinching these days. Plus we already have Balkman and Collins on the roster to support off the bench. I never said there would not be anymore additions or trades, just not BIG MONEY moves that add a lot of salary over years. Again I have to ask why would we do that? We already have a young core of talent that is just now getting a shot to perform. We don't have enough minutes for the guys we already have.

So we can drop Jalen and Mo this year. Malik next year. Steph and Francis the year after that. This would set us up nicely for the end of 2009-10. Filling up the rest of the roster doesn't have to mean getting more big money players if the team is targeting LeBron or Wade or some other FA. The core of the team will still be here and young enough for a good run. If you think that the Knicks aren't aware of this and at least thinking about it, I think you're underestimating them a great deal. In recent years we've been making all these moves out of necessity. They were trying to improve the team. Now we have a young core that we can let play over the next 3 years. A lot of Big money additions won't be necessary until the 2009-10 season. Think about it. Houston, Jalen, Anderson and Mo represent $55mil that this team can cut off their cap number. Malik will take another $7mil next year and Steph and Francis another $39mil the year after that. That's $101mil over the next 3 years and we'd still have all of the young players on this team.



I agree that the Knicks are aware of that eventuality and it is in their **possible** plans. However, I tihk it is very possible if this team is able to win between 50-60 in the next couple of years, they will take a shot at a big name if they feel they can make a run at a title.

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9/20/2006  12:55 PM
TheGame and oohah, I understand your points. My thinking is that there may not be a "big name" available between now and then. Who would we be trying to get? At this point its too early to speculate, since we have to see this team in action and see what works and what doesn't. Then we can determine an exact need. The thing is that we may not NEED a big name to fill that need. As i've said before. We pretty much know that we've got a set core thru the 2008-09 season. One trade here or there shouldn't adversely effect any plan to get under the cap by that time.

I think this team will be competitive while still dropping salary, since the players that are coming off aren't important parts of this team at this point. The players who represent the $55mil we drop this year either aren't on the team or aren't part of the teams core. Malik isn't a part of the core and by the time Steph and Francis are ready to go, we'll Staring at the LeBron and Wade sweepstakes. At that time we could still have Curry, Frye, Jared, Lee, Jamal, Nate, etc. Its only an option, i'm not saying they're a LOCK to do this, only that its entirely plausible. A lot can happen between now and then, but it wouldn't hurt to have that in the works.
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WHY?
Curry, Frye, Jared, Lee and James already occupy our Frontcourt spots for 2006-07 and its highly unlikely that we'll be able to make room for anyone else. Who could that be, Webber or KMart? Both of whom are big money players with leg problems. Why would we need them? Neither guy would guarantee us a title shot and too much money is involved.

i wish to god that is the knicks' mindset. why add webber or kmart or whoever else is on the outs with their current team? no good reason. then again, why add francis and jalen? but we did that.

if the plan is indeed to move toward financial sanity, it would be reassuring to hear someone in management say it. "we are reassessing our financial model," "we are committing to our core of youth," or even dump salaries of redundant players for chemistry purposes. i haven't heard anything like this, only rumors of the next starphuch, and "it's not your money" and "no one comes to see the salary cap play." but who knows, maybe they are wising up.

i've been hoping for the kind of strategy you're talking about for years. every year the knicks make moves like mo T and steve francis that set us back at least two seasons. i hope that last season was a wakeup call that what they're doing doesn't work. IT and the strategy he stands for is accountable this year. we'll see.

i need to let out a rant like this every so often. thanks guys
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