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OT: DJ President Ike - Golden Age Hip-Hop Mix September 2006
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Silverfuel
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9/13/2006  12:02 PM
Its real good stuff PresIke. Good job.
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9/13/2006  12:18 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

I swear them videos look like modern day minstrel shows

funny as hell but so true. groups like the ying yang twins are setting blacks back to the amos and andy days.
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9/13/2006  1:01 PM
Posted by jazz74:
Posted by bigbeast:

I swear them videos look like modern day minstrel shows

funny as hell but so true. groups like the ying yang twins are setting blacks back to the amos and andy days.

You guys said what I thought about saying,lol. Which means I agree.

As far as outcast, and geto boys, those guys were always original and true with substance and creativity. Great groups.

Nas definately has out together some creative stuff throughout the years but he has put out more bull**** at times that made me stop buying his stuff. I thought it was written was a good album. After it was written, he fell off in my eyes until came out with stillmatic and the albums after. To me the guy is confused and I really don't want to hear it. I love it when he uses his skill to paint pictures of struggle or just to show his skill but the dude does too many wanna be thug songs and contradics himself too much. He also seems to have gimic all the time. He wants to teach'then he wants to be a womanizer, then he wants to talk peace and then gun man the next. To me nas always had the power to change the rap game. To me he hasn't. He himself with the power of his name can just blow the top off. I hate to compare but jay-z is the head of def jam. Not saying nas can't do it but I'm saying nas has power within his words to do more and have a bigger impact with the music. Jay-z has a lot of power now in the music industry. Dude 50 cent has more power than nas. In short, rakim could move a crowd, I believe nas could have moved a planet. You just can't take nas serious.

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9/13/2006  5:14 PM
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by jazz74:
Posted by bigbeast:

I swear them videos look like modern day minstrel shows

funny as hell but so true. groups like the ying yang twins are setting blacks back to the amos and andy days.

You guys said what I thought about saying,lol. Which means I agree.

As far as outcast, and geto boys, those guys were always original and true with substance and creativity. Great groups.

Nas definately has out together some creative stuff throughout the years but he has put out more bull**** at times that made me stop buying his stuff. I thought it was written was a good album. After it was written, he fell off in my eyes until came out with stillmatic and the albums after. To me the guy is confused and I really don't want to hear it. I love it when he uses his skill to paint pictures of struggle or just to show his skill but the dude does too many wanna be thug songs and contradics himself too much. He also seems to have gimic all the time. He wants to teach'then he wants to be a womanizer, then he wants to talk peace and then gun man the next. To me nas always had the power to change the rap game. To me he hasn't. He himself with the power of his name can just blow the top off. I hate to compare but jay-z is the head of def jam. Not saying nas can't do it but I'm saying nas has power within his words to do more and have a bigger impact with the music. Jay-z has a lot of power now in the music industry. Dude 50 cent has more power than nas. In short, rakim could move a crowd, I believe nas could have moved a planet. You just can't take nas serious.

well, eny, there were many rappers who contradict themselves, namely tupac and krs one. but we can't say that they are bad rappers. i know you did not say that about nas and i agree that nas had the power to be an "owner" instead of "player" but he has made undeniably quality stuff. yeah, he had garbage but not many people can say that they have been in the game as long as him and put out 100% quality stuff.

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9/13/2006  11:06 PM
Posted by jazz74:
Posted by EnySpree:
Posted by jazz74:
Posted by bigbeast:

I swear them videos look like modern day minstrel shows

funny as hell but so true. groups like the ying yang twins are setting blacks back to the amos and andy days.

You guys said what I thought about saying,lol. Which means I agree.

As far as outcast, and geto boys, those guys were always original and true with substance and creativity. Great groups.

Nas definately has out together some creative stuff throughout the years but he has put out more bull**** at times that made me stop buying his stuff. I thought it was written was a good album. After it was written, he fell off in my eyes until came out with stillmatic and the albums after. To me the guy is confused and I really don't want to hear it. I love it when he uses his skill to paint pictures of struggle or just to show his skill but the dude does too many wanna be thug songs and contradics himself too much. He also seems to have gimic all the time. He wants to teach'then he wants to be a womanizer, then he wants to talk peace and then gun man the next. To me nas always had the power to change the rap game. To me he hasn't. He himself with the power of his name can just blow the top off. I hate to compare but jay-z is the head of def jam. Not saying nas can't do it but I'm saying nas has power within his words to do more and have a bigger impact with the music. Jay-z has a lot of power now in the music industry. Dude 50 cent has more power than nas. In short, rakim could move a crowd, I believe nas could have moved a planet. You just can't take nas serious.

well, eny, there were many rappers who contradict themselves, namely tupac and krs one. but we can't say that they are bad rappers. i know you did not say that about nas and i agree that nas had the power to be an "owner" instead of "player" but he has made undeniably quality stuff. yeah, he had garbage but not many people can say that they have been in the game as long as him and put out 100% quality stuff.

I was just about to say the same thing about Pac and KRS-one. What human isn't contradictory. Has Nas put out some weak material? Of course. But it has to be expected to have some slippage during a 12 yr career. Look at the garbage KRS has been putting out over the past 8 yrs.

You say after It was written, Nas out out 2 garbage albums. Well, even on those so called garbage albums, he managed to record classic songs. I Am "Undying love, We will survive, Ghetto prisoners," Nastradamus "Project windows, Life we chose, last words."

The fact that you say Nas could move planets proves my theory that after Illmatic, people put Nas on such a high level, that regardless of what Nas did after Illmatic, it would not be enough.
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9/14/2006  12:37 AM
I agree with so much here, except my golden age is much smaller, I think of between 88-92.
That encompasses, KRS-1, Rakim, PE, NWA, ATCQ, Big Daddy Kane, Kool G RAP, EPMD, etc. all hip hop hall of famers, who all had very different styles, none of them are alike.


Nas's main problem is he came out too young and had to grow into a man while producing art and being affected by it at the same time.
On his first album he says "be having dreams that I'm a gangsta" on later albums he regularly refers to himself as a ganster, thug, hustler, etc. He didn't get to find his true voice, and thats probably why he'll never produce an album like illmatic again. Who is he? A good guy, a thug, a savior? He doesn't know, and we don't either. But lyrically he is definitely one of the best to ever do it. Jay-Z came out later, as a man, and knew exactly who he was: a hustler. Its easy for the listeners to understand and easy for him to construct a reality around, artistically speaking. And it fits so well into pop culture with all his flossing and materialism. He is also one of the best to ever do it, but he has certainly helped to lead our music down a horrible horrible road. He's one of the last great rappers to come out.

plus like many have said, Nas was viewed as like a messiah in hip hop when he came out. Really!!! He had some big shoes to fill even though they were his own. Why do you think Dave Chapelle ran away from all that money?

thats my 2 cents.
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9/14/2006  6:51 PM
Well killa heres a penny:

I undestand what your saying about Nas "Be having dreams that I'm a gangsta....." Then later he is the gangsta. It sounds hypicritical. But what rapper isn't hypricritical? Listen to early Tupac where he's all about peace and pro-black awareness. Then all of a sudden he screaming "Thug-Life!" Same With KRS-one. First he want to be a criminal, then he want to be a teacher, then he want to be a criminal again...... Look at Busta rhymes now. First he was a class clown (leaders of the new school) then he was apart of native tongues, Now all of a sudden Bustas a drug dealing-gangbanger.

I remember when I bought G-raps "Wanted dead or alive" album. The first song he talks about being tired of people dying in "The Streets of New York" then the next song he turns into the gun-totting killer. Regardless, Nas is one of the top 5 lyricist of all times.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 09-14-2006 7:32 PM]
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9/14/2006  7:04 PM
Semi-related to the discussion: Big Daddy Kane put on one of the best hip-hop performances I've ever seen at the Nokia Center - stole the show from MF Doom (who was the main act) and blew away Little Brother (who proceeded him). Big Daddy Kane exhibited what it meant to be a true MC. The dude commanded the crowd and the crowd listened because it was fun. That was probably the best time I've ever had at a hip-hop show and I've been to many.
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9/14/2006  9:51 PM
if there was a mount rushmore of mc's, on my list would be nas, kane, rakem and the ruler slick rick.
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9/15/2006  9:47 AM
Oh and yo, where's does De La Soul stand in everyone's view of hip hop history? They're conspicuously absent from the discussion. Obviously, I think they're ill...
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9/15/2006  10:03 AM
de la was a creative group and had great beats and innovative rhyme schemes but lyrically they were weak. guest stars like tribe, jungle brothers or mos def would kill them on their own albums. like i said , quest was the premier group coming out of the native tongue group and at one point the premier group in hip hop. however 3ft high and rising is a hip hop classic album from de la and very groundbreaking. too bad with all of the samples that an album like that would be impossible to make today along with beastie boys' pauls boutique.
OT: DJ President Ike - Golden Age Hip-Hop Mix September 2006

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