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9/4/2006  9:35 AM
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9/4/2006  9:50 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Well, we should start 1-0 no matter what! Gasol will defintely be out for Memphis and even though it's on the road, their roster is just not good enough without him!

I'll think about the Knicks in two months. My mets are the show in town!

briggs, you're forgetting - this team loses every game it "should" win.
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9/4/2006  11:31 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Well, we should start 1-0 no matter what! Gasol will defintely be out for Memphis and even though it's on the road, their roster is just not good enough without him!

I'll think about the Knicks in two months. My mets are the show in town!

briggs, you're forgetting - this team loses every game it "should" win.

Someone is still living in the PAST :) Come on Marv. This is gonna be a whole new season and the teams gonna have a new Starting 5 and a new coach with a new style of play. Why do you think things are gonna be the same? Just because the last 2.5 seasons went that way doesn't mean this one will. If everything was exactly the same then I could see why there is so much pessimism. The thing is that its not the same, so i'm not gonna hold the past against this years team. It just doesn't make sense to do that.

Last year we started the seasson with:

Steph, QRich, Barnes, AD & Curry - Jamal, Mo, Ariza, Nate, James & Malik

This year its likely to be:

Steph, Francis, Jared, Frye & Curry - Jamal, Lee, QRich, Nate, Jalen & James

To me that's a BIG difference.
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9/4/2006  11:55 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Well, we should start 1-0 no matter what! Gasol will defintely be out for Memphis and even though it's on the road, their roster is just not good enough without him!

I'll think about the Knicks in two months. My mets are the show in town!

briggs, you're forgetting - this team loses every game it "should" win.

Someone is still living in the PAST :) Come on Marv. This is gonna be a whole new season and the teams gonna have a new Starting 5 and a new coach with a new style of play. Why do you think things are gonna be the same? Just because the last 2.5 seasons went that way doesn't mean this one will. If everything was exactly the same then I could see why there is so much pessimism. The thing is that its not the same, so i'm not gonna hold the past against this years team. It just doesn't make sense to do that.

Last year we started the seasson with:

Steph, QRich, Barnes, AD & Curry - Jamal, Mo, Ariza, Nate, James & Malik

This year its likely to be:

Steph, Francis, Jared, Frye & Curry - Jamal, Lee, QRich, Nate, Jalen & James

To me that's a BIG difference.

Nixluva--Do you work for the NY Knicks PR/marketing dept? I know misterearl is pretty much the top dog in terms of KNOWING what may be going on with the Knicks and you seem to be his YES man:)


What do you guys think -- Isiah LB and the Knicks organization posting on these boards---Nah:)
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9/4/2006  12:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Well, we should start 1-0 no matter what! Gasol will defintely be out for Memphis and even though it's on the road, their roster is just not good enough without him!

I'll think about the Knicks in two months. My mets are the show in town!

briggs, you're forgetting - this team loses every game it "should" win.

Someone is still living in the PAST :) Come on Marv. This is gonna be a whole new season and the teams gonna have a new Starting 5 and a new coach with a new style of play. Why do you think things are gonna be the same? Just because the last 2.5 seasons went that way doesn't mean this one will. If everything was exactly the same then I could see why there is so much pessimism. The thing is that its not the same, so i'm not gonna hold the past against this years team. It just doesn't make sense to do that.

Last year we started the seasson with:

Steph, QRich, Barnes, AD & Curry - Jamal, Mo, Ariza, Nate, James & Malik

This year its likely to be:

Steph, Francis, Jared, Frye & Curry - Jamal, Lee, QRich, Nate, Jalen & James

To me that's a BIG difference.

Nixluva--Do you work for the NY Knicks PR/marketing dept? I know misterearl is pretty much the top dog in terms of KNOWING what may be going on with the Knicks and you seem to be his YES man:)


What do you guys think -- Isiah LB and the Knicks organization posting on these boards---Nah:)

OK you got me! I'm really Isiah :) Nah Bro, just a LOOOOONG time Knicks fan here.

I just find it funny that guys all over the WEB just don't seem to notice that this team is improving. You just can't compare what we started with last year to what we have this year. Even the Media seems to be dead to the facts. TO me if you replace QRich, Barnes & AD with Francis, Jared & Frye, that's a HUGE improvement.

Hey and here's a novel idea. How about playing to these players strengths as opposed to making them do things they're weak at? I think not only is the Starting 5 better but that has made the bench better too. How about the atmosphere around the team? That should be a bit better as well. There will be some griping about playing time from those on the outside, but many teams have to deal with those issues. As long as the players who are playing do their job and the team is winning, that's the most important thing.
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9/4/2006  12:45 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Well, we should start 1-0 no matter what! Gasol will defintely be out for Memphis and even though it's on the road, their roster is just not good enough without him!

I'll think about the Knicks in two months. My mets are the show in town!

briggs, you're forgetting - this team loses every game it "should" win.

Someone is still living in the PAST :) Come on Marv. This is gonna be a whole new season and the teams gonna have a new Starting 5 and a new coach with a new style of play. Why do you think things are gonna be the same? Just because the last 2.5 seasons went that way doesn't mean this one will. If everything was exactly the same then I could see why there is so much pessimism. The thing is that its not the same, so i'm not gonna hold the past against this years team. It just doesn't make sense to do that.

Last year we started the seasson with:

Steph, QRich, Barnes, AD & Curry - Jamal, Mo, Ariza, Nate, James & Malik

This year its likely to be:

Steph, Francis, Jared, Frye & Curry - Jamal, Lee, QRich, Nate, Jalen & James

To me that's a BIG difference.

Nixluva--Do you work for the NY Knicks PR/marketing dept? I know misterearl is pretty much the top dog in terms of KNOWING what may be going on with the Knicks and you seem to be his YES man:)


What do you guys think -- Isiah LB and the Knicks organization posting on these boards---Nah:)

OK you got me! I'm really Isiah :) Nah Bro, just a LOOOOONG time Knicks fan here.

I just find it funny that guys all over the WEB just don't seem to notice that this team is improving. You just can't compare what we started with last year to what we have this year. Even the Media seems to be dead to the facts. TO me if you replace QRich, Barnes & AD with Francis, Jared & Frye, that's a HUGE improvement.

Hey and here's a novel idea. How about playing to these players strengths as opposed to making them do things they're weak at? I think not only is the Starting 5 better but that has made the bench better too. How about the atmosphere around the team? That should be a bit better as well. There will be some griping about playing time from those on the outside, but many teams have to deal with those issues. As long as the players who are playing do their job and the team is winning, that's the most important thing.

i'll preface my thoughts with stating that i root like hell for this team, and live and die with their performances. my nervous system is so tied into this team that i'm manic when they win and depressed when they lose.

at the same time, in between games (and seasons) i'm honest about what i think of the team.

therefore . . . i think this is a terrible team. god-awful. i'll break it down:

backcourt:

franchise was a disastrous addition to this team. he's been a stat-hungry loser and team-morale killer for every team he's played for. plus makes an absurd amount of money. of course he's a knick.

steph - i'm finally finished with him. i've always loved the guy and wanted like hell for him to suceed in ny. i'm finally conviced tht steph can't lead a winning team in the nba. disagree all you want, it's my opinion. we need to say bye-bye in a hurry.

jalen is old washed-up junk. of course at a huge price. of course he's a knick.

q just looks decimated by his back. like the guy a lot but i don't think he can play anymore because of what that injury's done to him.

jamal - ucchh. horrible player. every season he pulls it together and looks good for a little while after his team is out of contention and the pressure's off. really, what team is going anywhere with this guy?

nate - love him. want him on the court as much as possible. a guy like nate, developing him to see every bit of what he's got while he's at rooke base pay, is what rebuilding is about imo.

collins - to me he looked horrible in summer league. way too tentative on his shot. i'll give the guy a shot but didn't look good so far.

thus overall, a horrible backcourt.

forwards:

malik - he's a cool guy, will help the team if used right. plus he brought us dlee.

frye - like this guy a whole lot. gotta really go to his strengths while gradually building up his weak areas. he's gonna be a real good player.

lee - like him a ton as well. needs to get meaner and more aggressive, but he has great court instincts.

jeffries - he's a role player that i bet is going to be looked to do more than he can. in spurts he's a dominant court presence with his hustle and smart play, but i don't see him becoming a consistent impact player.

mo - jesus what a waste. so much talent and plays such a knuckleheaded game.

balkman - i'm intrigued with this guy. definitely want to see what he's got. like his presence on the court and his intensity.

thus, forwards - some intriguing young talent.

center

curry - horrible. just horrible. (i'm sure bill walton agrees with me). hated this guy's game in chicago and except for a brief spurt last year i felt the same way re: him as a knick. would so have preferred taking my chance w/aldridge/thomas/morrison/foye and whoever we would have gotten next year with a high pick.

big game - all right, you can discount my opinion here. he's my favorite knick despite his slight preference for ****tail time over gym time.

thus, center - wasteland.

add it up and what do we have? a $125M team with some good young talent at forward, an absolute horror show in the backcourt and a wasteland at center.

i do not like this team. i do not like it at all. i do not like it in the off-season. i do not like it in the fall. i do not like their defense. i do not like them with the ball. i do not like this team at all.
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9/4/2006  12:45 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BRIGGS:

Well, we should start 1-0 no matter what! Gasol will defintely be out for Memphis and even though it's on the road, their roster is just not good enough without him!

I'll think about the Knicks in two months. My mets are the show in town!

briggs, you're forgetting - this team loses every game it "should" win.

Someone is still living in the PAST :) Come on Marv. This is gonna be a whole new season and the teams gonna have a new Starting 5 and a new coach with a new style of play. Why do you think things are gonna be the same? Just because the last 2.5 seasons went that way doesn't mean this one will. If everything was exactly the same then I could see why there is so much pessimism. The thing is that its not the same, so i'm not gonna hold the past against this years team. It just doesn't make sense to do that.

Last year we started the seasson with:

Steph, QRich, Barnes, AD & Curry - Jamal, Mo, Ariza, Nate, James & Malik

This year its likely to be:

Steph, Francis, Jared, Frye & Curry - Jamal, Lee, QRich, Nate, Jalen & James

To me that's a BIG difference.

Nixluva--Do you work for the NY Knicks PR/marketing dept? I know misterearl is pretty much the top dog in terms of KNOWING what may be going on with the Knicks and you seem to be his YES man:)


What do you guys think -- Isiah LB and the Knicks organization posting on these boards---Nah:)

OK you got me! I'm really Isiah :) Nah Bro, just a LOOOOONG time Knicks fan here.

I just find it funny that guys all over the WEB just don't seem to notice that this team is improving. You just can't compare what we started with last year to what we have this year. Even the Media seems to be dead to the facts. TO me if you replace QRich, Barnes & AD with Francis, Jared & Frye, that's a HUGE improvement.

Hey and here's a novel idea. How about playing to these players strengths as opposed to making them do things they're weak at? I think not only is the Starting 5 better but that has made the bench better too. How about the atmosphere around the team? That should be a bit better as well. There will be some griping about playing time from those on the outside, but many teams have to deal with those issues. As long as the players who are playing do their job and the team is winning, that's the most important thing.

Hey its the SAME EXACT post that I saw earlier today, yesterday, last week and 2 weeks ago!
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9/4/2006  12:51 PM
wow 40 wins? I think we're in for 31-33 this year, upwards of 35 if we get hot/ if teams don't watch tape and stop zoning us for a stretch.
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franchise was a disastrous addition to this team. he's been a stat-hungry loser and team-morale killer for every team he's played for. plus makes an absurd amount of money. of course he's a knick.

steph - i'm finally finished with him. i've always loved the guy and wanted like hell for him to suceed in ny. i'm finally conviced tht steph can't lead a winning team in the nba. disagree all you want, it's my opinion. we need to say bye-bye in a hurry.
Agree on Francis. I'm giving Steph one more chances because he has contributed to significant winning stretches for teams and has had nice stretches where he elevates his teammates' play. And I think he'll play his best under Isiah. Just ONE more chance, though.

I agree on Jamal, Nate, and Collins. Jamal's the most effective teaser I've ever seen, though. He gets a lot more support than almost any other underachiever.

With the exceptions of Mo and Malik, I like our forwards a lot. You seem to also. I think Lee is a great role player and I loved how he played in the summer league and how much it looks like he worked on his body.

Curry's been a disaster so far and has been a horrible player after five years. I've given up 99% of hope but maybe it's the die hard Knick fan in me that has kept 1% because he's young. JJ's garbage.
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Posted by NotFrye:

wow 40 wins? I think we're in for 31-33 this year, upwards of 35 if we get hot/ if teams don't watch tape and stop zoning us for a stretch.


the zone shouldnt be that effective against us. but as far as shooting goes, do you think a lineup of

nate
crawford
jalen
fry
taylor

would work against the zone?
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Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by NotFrye:

wow 40 wins? I think we're in for 31-33 this year, upwards of 35 if we get hot/ if teams don't watch tape and stop zoning us for a stretch.


the zone shouldnt be that effective against us. but as far as shooting goes, do you think a lineup of

nate
crawford
jalen
fry
taylor

would work against the zone?

Sure, but they couldn't defend any team.
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9/4/2006  1:48 PM
I dont know why people think Zone will NOT be effective against us. The Knicks have absolutely no consistent outside shooter, that is the only way you beat zones. Teams are going to pack down on us, limiting Curry and Frye and letting FranBury try and jack up shots.
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I think Frye will get consistent playing time and be the confident shooter he was before Brown kept screwing with his minutes. Nate's also a good shooter and plenty other players are adequate shooters. I'm not at all concerned about this team's offense. That's not to say it's an outstanding offense, but the focus of concern should be 99% on defense and maybe 1% on offense.
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Posted by wsdm:

That's not to say it's an outstanding offense, but the focus of concern should be 99% on defense and maybe 1% on offense.

Definately agree with that line,
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by wsdm:

That's not to say it's an outstanding offense, but the focus of concern should be 99% on defense and maybe 1% on offense.

Definately agree with that line,
And I think or at least hope Isiah realized that when he went after Jared Jeffries. That doesn't excuse putting together a roster with a lot of poor defensive players but I'm hoping he's headed in a direction where role players and defense are emphasized.

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Posted by nyk4ever:

I dont know why people think Zone will NOT be effective against us. The Knicks have absolutely no consistent outside shooter, that is the only way you beat zones. Teams are going to pack down on us, limiting Curry and Frye and letting FranBury try and jack up shots.

One way Zones will be broken is using Screens and penetration. You have to force a team out of a zone, not always try to shoot over it. That's what they want you to do, cuz its lower %. You can collapse one side of the zone and that will force teams out of it. You can't go just try to drive without a screen since they'll just shut down the lane. However if you set side screens and force the defender in the corner to rotate that leaves a back cut open and if he stays put, you have a drive or pullup jumper. You can also use a High post screen at the top of the zone to allow a penetrator thru. Flashing a big into the center of the zone is another option. In any event I prefer player movement and short quick passes as opposed to just passing around the perimeter like LB had us doing last year.
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Posted by nyk4ever:

I dont know why people think Zone will NOT be effective against us. The Knicks have absolutely no consistent outside shooter, that is the only way you beat zones. Teams are going to pack down on us, limiting Curry and Frye and letting FranBury try and jack up shots.


outside shooting is not that only way to beat a zone.
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Posted by wsdm:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by NotFrye:

wow 40 wins? I think we're in for 31-33 this year, upwards of 35 if we get hot/ if teams don't watch tape and stop zoning us for a stretch.


the zone shouldnt be that effective against us. but as far as shooting goes, do you think a lineup of

nate
crawford
jalen
fry
taylor

would work against the zone?

Sure, but they couldn't defend any team.


those players arent that bad defensively except i guess jalen.
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Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by NotFrye:

wow 40 wins? I think we're in for 31-33 this year, upwards of 35 if we get hot/ if teams don't watch tape and stop zoning us for a stretch.


the zone shouldnt be that effective against us. but as far as shooting goes, do you think a lineup of

nate
crawford
jalen
fry
taylor

would work against the zone?

Sure, but they couldn't defend any team.


those players arent that bad defensively except i guess jalen.
We could argue over just how bad they are, but the point is SG through C they're all below average. And although Nate plays his heart out, his height is a big liability. If you put FIVE players on the floor who are ALL defensive liabilities (or at least below average), it aint gonna be pretty!



[Edited by - wsdm on 09-04-2006 9:47 PM]
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