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9/1/2006  2:26 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Speaking of the ORiginal dream team: Was there a guy on that team(besides Ewing) that wasn't considered a good-great passer?

Christian Laetner!
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9/1/2006  2:35 PM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by Bippity10:

Speaking of the ORiginal dream team: Was there a guy on that team(besides Ewing) that wasn't considered a good-great passer?

Christian Laetner!

damn you. It's so easy to forget that he was on that team.
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9/1/2006  2:52 PM
Posted by Andrew:

Still no shooters on the US team....and thats a big problem.


the biggest. they were awful from 3. You'd think they learned from the Olympic debacle. Outside of Michael Redd who's not even that great there really aren't any good shooters in the nba anymore. Why didn't they try to get Rip Hamilton?
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9/1/2006  2:54 PM
woah, woah woah. Michael Redd isn't a great shooter? Have you seen the man play?
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9/1/2006  3:01 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

woah, woah woah. Michael Redd isn't a great shooter? Have you seen the man play?


he's a very good shooter but he doesn't play defense. Not USA Basketball calibur imo. Well not on the level of the 90s teams at least
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9/1/2006  3:05 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

We need to send our best players, end of story. Not our second best players, not a collection of all-stars, I'm talking our best players period.

You're not going to beat these teams with the guys we send right now. We didn't have any good shooters whatsoever.

I guarantee you, if we had our best players there, we'd still be playing. Problem is, the top guys don't even want to play. I think it should almost be made a requirement. There has to be some incentive to get these guys to go.

This is a sad day.


[Edited by - s3231 on 09-01-2006 3:08 PM]
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9/1/2006  3:08 PM
I don't think there are too many good defenders on our team. I think Heinrich and Paul play great pressure D. Battier battles. Wade and Lebron get in the passing lanes. But playing a full 40 minutes of D and making the offensive player earn every basket those players are just too few and far between. In the NBA it's okay to take a rest on D because it's tiring. But in internatioinal competition they don't seem to take a break on D like we do. It's a bad habit. Watch those pick and roll players. OUr guys weren't getting beat by great execution. They were getting beat by good execution/falling asleep on D or not adjusting to a new wrinkle to the play. That's because in the NBA we can't ask our players to that. The moment we do they cry about how we are stifling them and making the game boring.

I like these players I think they are very coachable. I just think they aren't being coached on everything because coaches are afraid of losing them which will ultimately result in them losing their jobs.
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I win my league every year without one outright superstar. Because other coaches are so excited about their 30 pt scorer that they let them go one on one all game long. I make one adjustment and they are lost. There's maybe a coach in every blue moon that will actually get into an adjustment battle with you. Coach's just don't do it anymore. It's all about relying on your individual talent to "Michael Jordan" the competition. It doesn't work.
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9/1/2006  3:12 PM
good posts. We would easily win if we sent kidd, kobe, KG, Duncan & Shaq instead of toying around with gilbert arenas, Jamison & bruce bowen



[Edited by - gunsnewing on 09-01-2006 3:31 PM]
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9/1/2006  3:15 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

good posts. We would easily win if we sent kidd, kobe, KG, Duncan & Shaq instead of toying around with gilbert arenas and bruce bowen

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 09-01-2006 3:13 PM]

I don't think its that much of a guarentee. The players we sent are still better PLAYERS than the ones on from other countries but the other countries are better TEAMS. We need to send guys who are willing to sacrifice their games for the good of the team and also be willing to play agressive grinding defense.
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My scouting of teams is simple. We go, watch a star, figure out where his blindspot is and send the double team from that direction. Game over. I'm called the master of adjustments when the reality is the other kid just isn't being coached to adjust. But give that kid the ball in a one on one game and he would beat college players. In our league. ehhhhhhh. But they get so many accolades because they win enough games against the other teams that are preaching one on one. Then they all go to college and the kids that come from the well coached programs have the most success. The best players to come out of our league never averaged more than 15 pts per game.
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9/1/2006  3:16 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:

good posts. We would easily win if we sent kidd, kobe, KG, Duncan & Shaq instead of toying around with gilbert arenas and bruce bowen

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 09-01-2006 3:13 PM]

Paper champion revisited.
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9/1/2006  3:22 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by gunsnewing:

good posts. We would easily win if we sent kidd, kobe, KG, Duncan & Shaq instead of toying around with gilbert arenas and bruce bowen

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 09-01-2006 3:13 PM]

Paper champion revisited.


not really. those guys have experience playing with the great players of the 90s when stars played defense, were fundamentally sound & were held accountable unlike the players that are in the league now

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 09-01-2006 3:23 PM]
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9/1/2006  3:27 PM
We can't send a real team because unlike the international countries who have guys that play together for years, we just don't have that luxury.

We're not going to beat them with chemistry.

But, I bet we can still beat them with talent.

People talk about the 92 Olypmic team but fail to mention that we sent our best players then. In 96 we basically did it again (or at least close enough).

If we send our best players, we'll be ok for the short term.

Meanwhile, these players really need to learn how to play the game the right way early on.




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9/1/2006  3:33 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:

good posts. We would easily win if we sent kidd, kobe, KG, Duncan & Shaq instead of toying around with gilbert arenas and bruce bowen

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 09-01-2006 3:13 PM]

I don't think its that much of a guarentee. The players we sent are still better PLAYERS than the ones on from other countries but the other countries are better TEAMS. We need to send guys who are willing to sacrifice their games for the good of the team and also be willing to play agressive grinding defense.


and the guys I mentioned wouldn't? Those guys know what it takes to win unlike guys like melo, jamison, arenas
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9/1/2006  3:35 PM
Don't get me wrong.

I really do think our style of play has a lot to do with it. These guys have to learn how to play a team game because the NBA has gone away from that and catered to the superstars much more.

However, I think the only way to win right now was to send the best players because our problems can't be fixed short-term.

We still have the most talented players, we just don't have the best team players. I think we still have enough talent to get by in the short term if we send our best players.

There's no doubt though that the NBA game needs to be fixed meanwhile.
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9/1/2006  3:35 PM
Posted by s3231:

We can't send a real team because unlike the international countries who have guys that play together for years, we just don't have that luxury.

We're not going to beat them with chemistry.

But, I bet we can still beat them with talent.

People talk about the 92 Olypmic team but fail to mention that we sent our best players then. In 96 we basically did it again (or at least close enough).

If we send our best players, we'll be ok for the short term.

Meanwhile, these players really need to learn how to play the game the right way early on.



good post. too short a period of time to develop chemistry. You need at least a good 30 games of playing together and again you need stars who play defense and are held accountable
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9/1/2006  3:37 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:




and the guys I mentioned wouldn't? Those guys know what it takes to win unlike guys like melo, jamison, arenas

I'm not saying they wouldn't, I'm saying, I don't think it would be guarenteed. The one thing we take for granted is that these foreign teams really know what its like to play as a team, I just don't know what it would be like for a USA team full of best players and egos. Sure these guys have won and I like their chances alot better than the guys that were their this go round but I would in no way guarentee it.

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I think the reason this team was put together is that they feel these young players will have a better idea of how to play like a team 2 and 4 years from now. That's why the older players were left off. We are trying to get away from all-star teams and build teams that can be together for years to come. We are trying to build. Foregoing the "win now" mentality to develop a team t hat can win for a long time. We are trying to acheive what the Euro's have. A team that will play together, develop some cohesiveness and ultimately have experience.
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9/1/2006  3:41 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by gunsnewing:




and the guys I mentioned wouldn't? Those guys know what it takes to win unlike guys like melo, jamison, arenas

I'm not saying they wouldn't, I'm saying, I don't think it would be guarenteed. The one thing we take for granted is that these foreign teams really know what its like to play as a team, I just don't know what it would be like for a USA team full of best players and egos. Sure these guys have won and I like their chances alot better than the guys that were their this go round but I would in no way guarentee it.


guarantee is a little strong a word
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