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Is Marbury's New Shoe A Quality Product?
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EnySpree
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9/2/2006  2:08 AM
A lot of you guys are witch hunters.

I plan on buying the shoe and some of the clothing. I saw some of his other low cut sneakers that I really like. I haven't had the time recently plus its back to school time so I gotta think about the kids first.

My whole thing is the price. Its curiosity. I want to see what the quality of the product will be up close. Shaq has his shoes in payless and I gotta say the shoe is an ok fit if it wasn't so ugly.

I'm into what is cool for me and my wallet. I'm not a name guy. If it looks good and I can afford it ill probably get it eventually.

Since we talking about sneakers I would like to blast adidas. Their basketball sneakers suck. They are not a stable shoe. They make the soles very narrow and makes landing after a jump an adventure. I kinda blame my injury on the shell top addidas I was wearing. I used to turn my ankles all the time with addidas. Only reason I had the on that day I got hurt was because they matched what I was wearing that day. Nike makes the best shoes hands down. Every price range is great for balling.

Personally I would never pay over $100 for a sneaker cuz I know people who have gotten jumped and stabbed over them. If you grew up in the 80's and early 90's you know what that was all about.

I'm quite sure marbs is getting his money for his name and Steve and Barry are loving the attention. Still Nike, or even Jordan have never even thought to price their products as low as $15. C-Webb tried to do it with the dada clothing company. Magic Johnson even tried to do it with his own shoe company. I also mentioned shaq. And1 also has always made inexpensive stuff too. I hope marbs can do it and keep doing it. Its just a good thing.
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9/2/2006  2:17 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Rich:

I think the overriding issue is whether or not it is a good value for $15.

I dont see how that can be an issue. What is the value of a shoe? Is there really a value in sneakers that is worth 100 or 150 dollars?

We walk and play sports, do they feel comfortable on your feet? Then theyre good. Unless you have a special job and need special footwear for said job, or have some kind of foot condition, the value of a shoe maxes out pretty quickly. It becomes mostly fashion very early on the value scale.

My point was rhetorical. It's almost certainly a good value.
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9/2/2006  2:34 AM
I tried one of them one and it wasnt very compfortable but I've been checking with steve & barry's everyday. Since week one they've been sold out of the real Starbury. I really need bball sneakers and you cant beat $15 bucks. The main ones look decent..the rest are uncomfortable. They feel like Kmart sneakers

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 09-02-2006 04:52 AM]
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9/2/2006  3:53 AM
Funny that of all the proplayers that might have been available they choose Marbury.

being from the streets of new york and selling the new york market made starbury a very good choice

no other player in sports history had the nerve to market a product in his name coming off one the worst franchise performance in that team's history.....pure genius baby

i guess steph was right when he said he'll be playing starbury next season....starting with the starbury line.

watch out when starbury brings his "a" game this season.....hmmmm, another starbury kick ["a" game]
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9/2/2006  4:51 AM
its gotta be the shoes. The Marbury sneaker line will single-handedly propel the new york knicks to their 3rd nba championship
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9/2/2006  12:05 PM
Especially when every single Nike these days is made in China. The $15 and the $95 shoe are most probably built side by side by the same kid. I need to look it up again to be sure but the actual cost of making a Nike shoe and getting it into the Footlocker display case was lower than $2/pair. Minus the advertising money. But that doesnt make the $95 Nike better than the $15 Starbury.

Just to quibble around the edges.
Nike makes the bulk of its shoes in China, but also has significant production in both Vietnam and Indonesia. It's not good business to rely too heavily on just one developing (read: possibly unstable) country. Plus, wages are rising in China.

An even more minor quibble, it's not kids doing this kind of work, but usually migrant women ages 20-40. Agree that Marbs shoes could be made at some of the same exact factories, using the same exact material suppliers. Though I assume some of Nike's suppliers likely have enough orders from Nike so that they don't take on other work. But there's a pretty readily accessible list of sneaker factories that can and do make export-quality goods.

The $2 per pair estimate sounds too low to me, but I haven't dealt in that industry. I would be interested in any data or links that anyone has that could shed more light on that.

I somewhat object to everyone's negative characterization of Chinese sweatshops. People line up for those jobs ... as the alternative is usually being a poor farmer doing even harder work for longer hours and less compensation. Outside pressure (from int'l concerns) is improving the conditions, while the labor supply is driving up wages. The minimum wage was just increased 30% down in the Pearl River Delta (north of Hong Kong, where many of the shoe and electronics factories are located), in part to keep workers from trekking up to the Yangtze River area (outside Shanghai) where factory wages were higher. So, in an imperfect and creaky way things are getting better for the factory workers of China. That is, until their jobs get outsourced to cheaper countries like Indonesia, Bangladesh, Vietnam, India, etc. It can be a ruthless, exploitative business.

I am impressed that the Marbs kicks are going for only $15. Hell, I pay about $19 for Air Jordan knock-offs here in Shanghai, which look great but typically last only 4+ months of twice-a-week hoopage. I love what Marbs is doing. Even if he makes Zero $ off of this, the publicity he is getting is great (and the Knicks are paying him around $16 M already).

The next step is to get the Starbury shoes and product line made in factories in Africa. I read somewhere that Steve & Barry try to keep costs down by sourcing in Africa where possible (US import taxes are very low). Anybody got Steph's mobile # so I can get the word out to him.

[Edited by - BoDid on 09-03-2006 01:13 AM]
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9/2/2006  12:07 PM
^ nice 1st post
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9/2/2006  12:34 PM
Posted by Marv:

^ nice 1st post

Yeah, definitely. It's always nice to get some international perspective on the Knicks and on any relevant issues.
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9/2/2006  1:01 PM
Where the hell do you find a Steve and Barry's store? I haven't heard of them. $15 for some decent basketball shoes are worth it obviously.

[Edited by - VDesai on 09-02-2006 1:01 PM]
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9/2/2006  2:47 PM
The only Steve and Barry I know of is in the manhatten mall on 33rd street. I never been in there but I will make that trip soon. Its kinda annoying you can't purchase the stuff on-line. Steve and barrys apparently is too small of a company for all that.
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9/2/2006  5:45 PM
I disagree with this. Who ever heard of Steve & Barry's before this? This benefits S&B just as much as Marbury. When all the Marbury hoopla dies down people will still know the S&B name. This is putting them on the map.
Posted by rvhoss:

IMHO marbury pushed the product to steve and barry, not vice versa.

Also, marbury is still a top ten selling jersey.

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9/2/2006  9:35 PM
Steve and Barry's is a new york store in the manhattan mall on 34th street here in nyc...it's across from Macy's.

As a New Yorker, I heard of it...marbs is from coney island and the store is in the mall which is down the street from the garden.

It's not huge, as I too did not know they were a nationwide chain, but they just arrived in manhattan last christmas...then 6 months later, they have a shoe contract with marbury.

But hey, it's MHO.
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9/2/2006  10:04 PM
Posted by VDesai:

Where the hell do you find a Steve and Barry's store? I haven't heard of them. $15 for some decent basketball shoes are worth it obviously.


This is my problem with Marbury's plan, as he promotes it, to give back to the "community" and to help the underprivileged with these shoes. Steve and Barry's are primarily located in affluent suburban markets.

In his home market, NY, we see one store in midtown, not the underclass neighborhoods of Harlem, South Bronx, Brownsville, or any depressed area. In NJ we don't see stores in Newark, Trenton or Camden, we see one in Livingston, a town with a median annual household income of $99,000 and a population 1.2% black.

None of which is to say I have a problem with his efforts, just as I wouldn't if he had his name on $180 shoes. It's his prerogative. But I don't see his efforts accomplishing his stated goal of helping those most in need as the store is largely geared toward college kids.
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9/2/2006  10:27 PM
College kids need cheap sneakers too. The underclass doesn't really need the stores because they can just steal shoes, or buy them with their ill-gotten gains.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 09-02-2006 22:28]
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9/5/2006  1:44 PM
2 of my loser friends got the shoes. They say they feel good, but I don't really like the way they look. Too plainish. I refuse to get those shoes though b/c everyone is getting them.
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9/5/2006  1:53 PM
I refuse to get them because Marbs is making them. I'm still waiting for my Dikembe's
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9/5/2006  1:57 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I refuse to get them because Marbs is making them. I'm still waiting for my Dikembe's

Marb's shoes come with a scowl towl, Dekembe's come with a dismissive finger wag.
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9/5/2006  1:58 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I refuse to get them because Marbs is making them. I'm still waiting for my Dikembe's

You might be interested in Larry Browns new sneaker line. Have you seen them?

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=553827&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

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9/5/2006  2:07 PM
I have seen them but 50 million dollars for a shoe that requires me to only where them in my home town is a bit much.
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9/5/2006  2:17 PM
I just hope that marbury doesent hurt him self by using bad quality shoes... the last thing we need is a turned ankle or planter fishiwhatever on our best player cuz hes trying to be charitable lol....... I think its awesome that hes doingi t tho... just hope they are good enough to play in
Is Marbury's New Shoe A Quality Product?

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