Anybody remember when Barkley slapped oakley? Bark tried to do it sneaky without the refs seeing. Oak was gonna kill him.

Best was when Oak slapped (Tyrone hill??)before the game in front of everyone cuz he owed him money.

Yeah, those were the days.

Remember when the knicks were offensively challenged and they never could hold a lead? Made games exciting, but every game was hard fought.

Remember when the knicks were tough and we still bitched and moaned and complained that Ewing was not properly supported?

Remember when Oak we offensively challenged? We thought charlie sucked? Loved Mase and Starks but they were boneheads at crunch time?

IT was Better then, no doubt, but we were built not to win but go deep in the playoffs.

At least we have younger players now, but if we become a playoff team again might we stil perscribe to the same formula again?

Conf. finals defines profitability!

Posted by SlimPack:

i dont know if getting into a fight shows heart/desire.

What I do know is that every one of those players had each others and the coaches back. They didn't back down from anyone and I think getting into the fights showed just how much heart these guys had and how well they played with each other becuase they weren't about to pushed around by anyone or any team.

I agree Naolod - those times/games were slow and grueling. However, they did keep you on your toes. You never knew if we were going to pull it out or not. I think I had many near heartaches back in those days. It was stressful but sooo intriguing and exciting. There is nothing exiting about these Knicks. Not to say we can't get that back. But it's not here know. There is no chemistry on this team. These guys don't know each other - they don't have each other's back. The last team we had like that was when we had Spree and company. And even then there was one draw back to the chemistry - Ewing. He was completly isolated on that roster. It's too bad. If we could have somehow got Ewing to really by into the team concept. I mean really got the new guys (Camby&Spree) to really accept and appreciate Ewing, I think we could have really done more. Baring the Ewing injury and the fact that hew was an enigma...I know all of that. I'm just saying I wish things could have gone differently. I hope one day we regain the old Knicks idenity.

Posted by lovespree:

I agree Naolod - those times/games were slow and grueling. However, they did keep you on your toes. You never knew if we were going to pull it out or not. I think I had many near heartaches back in those days. It was stressful but sooo intriguing and exciting. There is nothing exiting about these Knicks. Not to say we can't get that back. But it's not here know. There is no chemistry on this team. These guys don't know each other - they don't have each other's back. The last team we had like that was when we had Spree and company. And even then there was one draw back to the chemistry - Ewing. He was completly isolated on that roster. It's too bad. If we could have somehow got Ewing to really by into the team concept. I mean really got the new guys (Camby&Spree) to really accept and appreciate Ewing, I think we could have really done more. Baring the Ewing injury and the fact that hew was an enigma...I know all of that. I'm just saying I wish things could have gone differently. I hope one day we regain the old Knicks idenity.

Ego is a tough thing. Seems like someone sat Shaq down (riles) and explained that Wilt was able to win one more championship by accepthing his game had slipped a bit, and that West and company were capable. Wilts defense and beinga part of the offense enabled him to be quite dangerous. Same with Jabbar and showtime. The ego that makes them so great and dominant is also the belief that they are great. When marbury says hes the best and says thats the only way to think, I understand what he is doing. Its the scowling and not accepting that even if he "does his job" and team loses, he feels like he is "all alone". That is an old argument and his enigma unto himself.

can he break it and sacrifice stats and make those around him a unit with him in it, or continue to be as he has been remains to be seen.

please someone post the phoenix brawl and all others being discussed here!!!!! ps English got some pretty good hits in on Harper while he was on the floor.. :(

Posted by Vmart:

Anyone remember the Knicks-Suns fight. KJ and Doc going at it. And the benches spilling over.Greg Anthony with his tropical shirt and Pat Riley with his ripped pants. That was a pretty good brawl.

thing about riley is he is a clean dude....he ripped his pants and was in a fresh one within minutes....he says he keeps one in the stash just in case.....thats pimpin