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nyk4ever
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8/20/2006  11:46 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Luke Jackson? Where's he going to play?

There's not nearly enought minutes to go around already at the 2 spot.

Who do the Knicks have right now that is a good 2guard? Crawford is the only guy who plays any semblence of defense and he's still a PG. Just because we have a bunch of guys Isiah LIKES to call SG's, doesn't mean we have one. If the Knicks traded for Luke Jackson he would immediately become the Knicks best SG because of offensive and defensive ability.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-20-2006 11:46 PM]
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8/21/2006  12:10 AM
He has a career shooting percentage just below 35%.
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8/21/2006  12:19 AM
Posted by Ira:

He has a career shooting percentage just below 35%.

I've watched him play in both the NBA and college, he's a great shooter. He hasn't gotten consistent time with the Cavs and that will mess with ANY player, especially shooters.
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8/21/2006  12:38 AM
I've watched him play in both the NBA and college, he's a great shooter. He hasn't gotten consistent time with the Cavs and that will mess with ANY player, especially shooters.

Maybe he has gotten the inconsistent playing time because the coach was trying to "break him down" to build him back up?

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8/21/2006  12:43 AM
Posted by oohah:
I've watched him play in both the NBA and college, he's a great shooter. He hasn't gotten consistent time with the Cavs and that will mess with ANY player, especially shooters.

Maybe he has gotten the inconsistent playing time because the coach was trying to "break him down" to build him back up?

oohah

Maybe, I'm kinda unclear with what that has to do with his thread.

Care to share your thoughts instead of antagonizing?
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8/21/2006  12:48 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by oohah:
I've watched him play in both the NBA and college, he's a great shooter. He hasn't gotten consistent time with the Cavs and that will mess with ANY player, especially shooters.

Maybe he has gotten the inconsistent playing time because the coach was trying to "break him down" to build him back up?

oohah

Maybe, I'm kinda unclear with what that has to do with his thread.

Care to share your thoughts instead of antagonizing?


Sorry, I forgot to put this in:



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8/21/2006  12:51 AM
Posted by oohah:




Sorry, I forgot to put this in:



oohah

lol, funny guy oohah.
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8/21/2006  2:47 AM
Maybe, I'm kinda unclear with what that has to do with his thread.

Care to share your thoughts instead of antagonizing?

By the way, I wasn't trying to antagonize you (much), I just thought it would be funny if we could argue the exact opposite points we had been arguing all last season.



oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 08-21-2006 02:50 AM]
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8/21/2006  8:45 AM
Luke Jackson has been a major dissapointment in the NBA. Nate Robinson is MUCH more valuable than him. I'm sorry, but if I'm gonna be honest, that would be a downright HORRIBLE trade. Luke Jackson is the kind of player that will be cut soon and will be on the street for anyone to pick up.

More interesting news out of that article is that they might cut Eddie Basden, who while not a scorer, has the potential to be a A grade NBA defender on the perimeter. Good player to have if we can free up roster spots at some point.
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8/21/2006  8:46 AM
The confusing part is I don't see what direction we are going in. I don't know if the overall goal is to win now or build for the future. I have two different sets of two guards for each different situation. Of guys who I heard may be available(top 5 or 6 I would want)

Rebuilding-
Josh Smith
Pietrus
Gordon
Iguodala(in a package deal for Webber)
JR Smith
Woods

Win Now-
Wells
Hughes
Richardson
Stephen Jackson
Ricky Davis



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8/21/2006  8:55 AM
Luke Jackson has not succeeded on a Cavs team that needed a shooting guard until they signed Larry Hughes and just lost Flip Murray to the Pistons. If the Cavs are willing to just let this guy go, what makes anyone think he will do anything other than warm the bench here in NY? In fact, I thought we already had a Luke Jackson on the team, only we call him Q-Rich (bad back and low shooting percentage).
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8/21/2006  9:45 AM
Posted by TheGame:

Luke Jackson has not succeeded on a Cavs team that needed a shooting guard until they signed Larry Hughes and just lost Flip Murray to the Pistons. If the Cavs are willing to just let this guy go, what makes anyone think he will do anything other than warm the bench here in NY? In fact, I thought we already had a Luke Jackson on the team, only we call him Q-Rich (bad back and low shooting percentage).

They signed Larry Hughes after Jackson's rookie year. I hardly think 1 year is enough to prove yourself in the NBA after you had a great college career where shooting, the rest of your offensive game and defense for you was never a problem. Sigh.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-21-2006 09:46 AM]
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Who is going to sit the bench so Jackson can play?
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8/21/2006  10:07 AM
nyk4ever - I am not disagreeing with you that Luke has the potential to be a good player. However, he has not shown enough in this league to think that he does not need a couple of more seasons to develop. Given the fact that we already have 6-7 players on this team that we need to develop, I am not sure how adding Luke is going to help the Knicks in the near future. I, however, would not be opposed to adding him to the team and letting him develop in practice. He has more potential than Udoka.
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8/21/2006  10:35 AM
Posted by TheGame:

nyk4ever - I am not disagreeing with you that Luke has the potential to be a good player. However, he has not shown enough in this league to think that he does not need a couple of more seasons to develop. Given the fact that we already have 6-7 players on this team that we need to develop, I am not sure how adding Luke is going to help the Knicks in the near future. I, however, would not be opposed to adding him to the team and letting him develop in practice. He has more potential than Udoka.

I can agree with that 100% I think he would be a great guy to pickup while his stock is as low as it will ever be and just let him work and he will earn his minutes in practice. Where I think I see differently, than I guess with everyone here, is that everyone else thinks having Francis play the 2 is good for the Knicks, I don't think it is. I wouldn't mind at all picking up Jackson and letting him ride the pine and practice while the Knicks try/should unload Francis. The Knicks have enough offense without Francis and he doesn't help the team defensively. Once Francis is unloaded, my plan was that hopefully Jackson is ready to step in. He has all the attributes and skills you want from a starting 2guard in this league.
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8/21/2006  12:06 PM
how can you say inconsistent (sp?) minutes played a role in why Luke Jackson doesn't have better stats, but completely dismiss the same explanation for QRIch, Franchise and Crawford?

Luke Jackson? Come on man...be for real.
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8/21/2006  12:12 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

how can you say inconsistent (sp?) minutes played a role in why Luke Jackson doesn't have better stats, but completely dismiss the same explanation for QRIch, Franchise and Crawford?

Luke Jackson? Come on man...be for real.

We all know what QRich, Franchise, Crawford are. Franchis is a good player but not when he's on the same team as Stephon Marbury. QRich and Crawford are ok players but they didn't have the college career that Luke Jackson had, nowhere close, besides both have gotten consistent minutes with other teams. We know what they are.
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8/21/2006  1:28 PM
Not sure what the purpose of Jackson would be. He wouldn't play here.
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8/21/2006  1:45 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Not sure what the purpose of Jackson would be. He wouldn't play here.

Not right now but honestly do the Knicks have a 2guard? Players like Francis, QRich, Crawford are not the answer at 2guard. It's time to start building and building for the future, Isiah has already gotten some pieces, whats wrong with adding another?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-21-2006 1:48 PM]
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8/21/2006  2:09 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bippity10:

Not sure what the purpose of Jackson would be. He wouldn't play here.

Not right now but honestly do the Knicks have a 2guard? Players like Francis, QRich, Crawford are not the answer at 2guard. It's time to start building and building for the future, Isiah has already gotten some pieces, whats wrong with adding another?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-21-2006 1:48 PM]

We don't have a pure PG or a pure SG. That isn't to say that we don't have players who can still be extremely effective. We already know they can score. The question has always been can they defend. I don't think they'll ever be great and obviously neither does Isiah or else he wouldn't have brought in guys who are known more for their D, in Jared, Balkman & Collins. With the addition of QRich, we have enough defensive replacements to be able to offset our offense heavy guard lineup.
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