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martin
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8/16/2006  11:46 AM
Haven't gone through all of the proposed trades here but each should add up such that Philly is under the cap in each of the season after this one. Nothing more.

They aren't winning with Webber and want to sell the team. They need cap space and to get rid of luggage.
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8/16/2006  11:58 AM
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I'll just post my reply here:

I personally wouldn't mind it if we were giving up losers like James and Malik Rose. The sad thing is that we are always coveting stars when they are stars but we don't end up getting them until they are either injured (i.e. LJ, McDyess, etc) or past their prime and aren't as good(Jalen Rose, Mark Jackson) or the ones that just start to suck when they get here (Steve Francis & Stephon Marbuy). Steve & Stephon always torched us when we played against them but know that they are Knicks they aren't torching anybody!! This isn't fair!

Malik Rose is a loser? Only one with a ring. ANd he was a starter.
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8/16/2006  12:11 PM
Becuase he has a ring that makes him good. Who cares what he did before he got here. He sucks now. And just becuase you have a ring doesn't make you good. Bench players on Championship teams get rings. What does that have to do with anything?
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8/16/2006  12:19 PM
I am naturally adverse to adding has been injured all stars-

but, if the sixers want chemistry- I would think Q would appeal.

But, if they are looking to shake up chemistry- why are they looking to move webber? Was he the problem or was it AI? And if it was AI, are they stuck with him because they couldn't get the value they wanted, and like us with pleasing Marbury (good bye KVH, KT, Q?), do the move the other party involved?

So with our desire to improve chemistry, do we add Webber to the mix? We have too many max contracts attached to too many max egos.

It would be desirable, though, to shift cap number to be able to clear out longer term deals.

What about sending Curry their way? Might be best chance. Unless he steps up.

If I am isiah, I go weigh Curry's fat butt....
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8/16/2006  12:29 PM
The Spurs put Malik next to Duncan, and just asked him to be Malik. He guarded the toughest frontcourt guys and for 20 minutes a night did the dirty work. We put Malik on the floor and asked him to be Duncan. Everyone talks about how talented our team is now, but if those babies played and practiced half as hard as Malik Rose they would have won 60 games last year.
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8/16/2006  12:32 PM
Curry, Malik, Q Rich & FatTurd for Dalembert & CWebb... would u make that trade?

would suck to lose Curry for that after all we gave up to get him, but it would unload the dead contracts & open up 2 roster spots... not really a cap friendly deal for the Knicks since Dalembert's signed through 2011, but he might be a better fit for the new defensive game this team wants to pattern themselves on... the Sixers would take on a little more salary in 08 & 09, but would get out from under all the contracts a year earlier.
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8/16/2006  12:47 PM
I don't want to give up curry after all we gave up to get him, especially if the organization has shown no commitment to getting under the cap. if it's one part of a major re-building plan (getting rid of all big/long-term contracts, keeping rookies) then I'd consider it - but if that's the case, no dalembert.
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8/16/2006  12:55 PM
TMS I dont like it. Not because of getting burned on Curry, but I think Curry is an important piece to have, especially if we are commited to any combo of Marbury, Francis and Nate. Those 3 are great at getting to the rim above all other things, and Curry is great at put back dunks and crashing the offensive boards. Remember Nazr's big games scoring 20 points and havine a handfull of 15-20 rebound games? He got those just following the gaurds to the basket. I think Curry is big piece if we are going to make that kind of formula work.

In an unrelated thought I would trade Frye for a defender/rebounder at the 4, as I think thats a better fit for the above thought. Say Sheldon Williams
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8/16/2006  1:23 PM
ur probably right, it would be too much to give up for what we'd be getting back... was just throwing that out there.

i agree, i'd trade Frye for a young defensive stud at the 4 too, but i don't know if i'd do it for Shelden Williams just yet... i'd have to see how he fared against NBA level competition first.
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8/16/2006  1:28 PM
Posted by lovespree:

Becuase he has a ring that makes him good. Who cares what he did before he got here. He sucks now. And just becuase you have a ring doesn't make you good. Bench players on Championship teams get rings. What does that have to do with anything?


YOu called him a loser. He is not.

He is a role player past his prime. He serves a purpose on this team for toughness, lockerroom, and practice examples.

WE have a world of talent on this team but they are losers. He is not one of them.
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8/16/2006  1:35 PM
Too many people on this board are obsessed with stats. Just because Malik didn't put up 20/10 every nite, hell he didn't even put up 15/8 on those Spurs teams but his prescence on the court was felt every minute of every game with his defense, toughness and hustle. Believe it or not, those things are important in basketball. Points Per Game and Rebounds Per Game are NOT the only contributing factors to making a player good or not.
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8/16/2006  1:39 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Too many people on this board are obsessed with stats. Just because Malik didn't put up 20/10 every nite, hell he didn't even put up 15/8 on those Spurs teams but his prescence on the court was felt every minute of every game with his defense, toughness and hustle. Believe it or not, those things are important in basketball. Points Per Game and Rebounds Per Game are NOT the only contributing factors to making a player good or not.
I like Rose and his work ethich but I think it was seeing Rose try to do spin moves and all sorts of things he was incapable of on offense that rubbed people the wrong way. He had pretty poor shot selection because he thought he could do more than he could. For a PF, his FG% in the mid thirties is about as bad as you'll find.

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8/16/2006  1:54 PM
I like the team as is, if another team isn't taking junk and we aren't the winners in the trade, we don't need it.

They could use a shooter alongside Iverson, and to make salaries match, all we got is rose and jj...so, stand your ground zeke.

TAKE IT OF LEAVE IT PHILLY.

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8/16/2006  2:25 PM
Posted by fishmike:

TMS I dont like it. Not because of getting burned on Curry, but I think Curry is an important piece to have, especially if we are commited to any combo of Marbury, Francis and Nate. Those 3 are great at getting to the rim above all other things, and Curry is great at put back dunks and crashing the offensive boards. Remember Nazr's big games scoring 20 points and havine a handfull of 15-20 rebound games? He got those just following the gaurds to the basket. I think Curry is big piece if we are going to make that kind of formula work.

In an unrelated thought I would trade Frye for a defender/rebounder at the 4, as I think thats a better fit for the above thought. Say Sheldon Williams


Don't you think Dalembert would be better at following up missed shots on the offensive end than Curry?

Like I said, Isiah should go weight curry and if his weight is over a certain amount- whatever that is- trade him.
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8/16/2006  3:01 PM
loser..sucks..same difference. I'm basically saying he is more expendable than some of the other "loser's" on our team. And yeah, the Knicks are a team full of losers. Why? Because we had a losing season! Bad team, bad contracts, selfish teammates, poor chemistry - losers in my opinon. Sorry but I would rather have Chris Webber...than some role player who shoots bricks as jumpers but works hard in practice. Is that going to help our team..no. Give me a "role player" like Jeffries who know's his role and plays it well. There's a difference. Malik does not play well at all. He seems like a great guy but he sucks. And while we're on the subject, since he is a role player as you say then last season he should have played that role and not jacked up missed shot after missed shot or spinning around into opponent's chest instead of the basket. And his defense sucks. We can get a veteran at the veteran mimimun to replace whatever leadership he provided in the locker room and in practice and fill up the roster spot with someone who is going to make a difference in a GAME. Regardless if that is some one who hustles on defense, dives the floor, block shots or someone who puts up 20/15 on a regular basis.
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8/16/2006  3:50 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by fishmike:

TMS I dont like it. Not because of getting burned on Curry, but I think Curry is an important piece to have, especially if we are commited to any combo of Marbury, Francis and Nate. Those 3 are great at getting to the rim above all other things, and Curry is great at put back dunks and crashing the offensive boards. Remember Nazr's big games scoring 20 points and havine a handfull of 15-20 rebound games? He got those just following the gaurds to the basket. I think Curry is big piece if we are going to make that kind of formula work.

In an unrelated thought I would trade Frye for a defender/rebounder at the 4, as I think thats a better fit for the above thought. Say Sheldon Williams


Don't you think Dalembert would be better at following up missed shots on the offensive end than Curry?

Like I said, Isiah should go weight curry and if his weight is over a certain amount- whatever that is- trade him.
hell no... Dalembert has stone hands. He's been a dominating rebounder for stretches, but mostly on the defensive glass. Curry is more powerfull and more explosive. Once he's around the basket he's not getting pushed out of the paint. Again... compare the physic to Nazr. Wide and strong. Nazr just wasnt fat, and Curry has 1000 times the upside because he's more skilled and a much better athlete.

I think Curry is a great fit to put with penetrating guards on offense.

I would much rather have Curry and Reggie Evans than Dalembert and Frye (at least for this group). Lee has shown some real tenacity on the glass. Part of the reason I've suggested starting him next to Curry and bringing Frye off the bench

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8/16/2006  6:32 PM
Webber should have been a knick years ago. Before he went to sactown the bullets were sick of him. The knicks could have gotten him. Same with rod strickland instead of Chris childs.

Anyway, no way I take webber now unless Philly takes back malik or Jerome. Period. They couldn't trade iverson cuz they wanted a franchise to give up rising stars. Not gonna happen cuz iverson isn't going to be able to out up 30pts per forever, same way webber isn't going to be able to out up 20/10 at his age. To hell with Philly. Let them do them.
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8/16/2006  6:49 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Too many people on this board are obsessed with stats. Just because Malik didn't put up 20/10 every nite, hell he didn't even put up 15/8 on those Spurs teams but his prescence on the court was felt every minute of every game with his defense, toughness and hustle. Believe it or not, those things are important in basketball. Points Per Game and Rebounds Per Game are NOT the only contributing factors to making a player good or not.

Has nothing to do with stats, my friend. Did you watch the games last year?
He disrupted the flow constantly with bad turnovers and terrible shots.
Not asking him to score, but if he is out there just to defend/rebound/dirty work,
then he should flat out not be shooting or handling the ball, because he
kills momentum every time he does. He was *painful* to watch.
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8/16/2006  7:26 PM
I hope the basketball gods smile on us and make this trade happen. QRich + MoT + MRose or JJ for Webber. That's the deal, take it or leave it.

Follow it up with Francis for Eddie Jones at the trade deadline (after getting Franny's value up), and let JRose expire at the end of the year... unless some team is dumping a superstar.

Knicks would have Eddie and JRose coming off the books this year, along with Shandon and all of those, then Webber coming off next year. It would be huge.

[Edited by - TemujinKnick on 08-16-2006 7:26 PM]
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8/16/2006  7:28 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Too many people on this board are obsessed with stats. Just because Malik didn't put up 20/10 every nite, hell he didn't even put up 15/8 on those Spurs teams but his prescence on the court was felt every minute of every game with his defense, toughness and hustle. Believe it or not, those things are important in basketball. Points Per Game and Rebounds Per Game are NOT the only contributing factors to making a player good or not.

Has nothing to do with stats, my friend. Did you watch the games last year?
He disrupted the flow constantly with bad turnovers and terrible shots.
Not asking him to score, but if he is out there just to defend/rebound/dirty work,
then he should flat out not be shooting or handling the ball, because he
kills momentum every time he does. He was *painful* to watch.

Thats not the argument, my friend. The argument is that some people were calling Malik Rose a loser and that he had nothing to do with the Spurs success. I found it amusing and laid out exactly why he was a contributor to their success. Everyone knows that Malik doesn't have raw talent but if your a championship caliber team, you want him on your roster and you want him on the floor because he contribues what the babied-stars dont want to do, which is; hustle and play defense.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-16-2006 7:29 PM]
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