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Travla
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8/14/2006  8:18 PM
Unfortunately, IT had to give up the whole 5 mil a year, at 3 mil a year Washington would have easily matched it. IT played it the way he should have....if he really wanted JJ.
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8/14/2006  8:26 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Fact remains, most people like the move DESPITE the IMMENSE price tag for a ROLE PLAYER. Yes, it will be mentioned, because people who can see past the kool-aid know it is and will be an issue
Just to play devil's advocate: Explain what the issue is. In other words, what are the negative consequences of Jeffries receiving $5 mil rather than $3 mil per season?

As mentioned 100 times before, the consequences are for the actual fans of the team, it costs more money to go to the games. In other words, only someone heavily induced in a delusional state would say, "it ain't your money". It sure is. Dolan sure ain't taking a loss for Jared Jeffries.

What I don't get is why people can't accept the fact that we're paying a lot for a role player, and DESPITE THAT we STILL like the signing? Do we have to be 100% kool-aid or else we're not supporting the team? The moronic responses in the thread to the FACT that $12 MM is a lot for a role player just show the immaturity of some of the posters on this board. (Not directing that at you, Bonn)
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8/14/2006  8:46 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Fact remains, most people like the move DESPITE the IMMENSE price tag for a ROLE PLAYER. Yes, it will be mentioned, because people who can see past the kool-aid know it is and will be an issue
Just to play devil's advocate: Explain what the issue is. In other words, what are the negative consequences of Jeffries receiving $5 mil rather than $3 mil per season?

As mentioned 100 times before, the consequences are for the actual fans of the team, it costs more money to go to the games. In other words, only someone heavily induced in a delusional state would say, "it ain't your money". It sure is. Dolan sure ain't taking a loss for Jared Jeffries.

What I don't get is why people can't accept the fact that we're paying a lot for a role player, and DESPITE THAT we STILL like the signing? Do we have to be 100% kool-aid or else we're not supporting the team? The moronic responses in the thread to the FACT that $12 MM is a lot for a role player just show the immaturity of some of the posters on this board. (Not directing that at you, Bonn)



I'll take Jeffries and his $12mm over Francis and his $24mm.

I look at it like this- you've got an injured hand that needs to be cut off- its become gangrenous and you need to cut more off than you thought to staunch the bleeding.

Yes things are bad- but I think Jeffries is a step in the right direction.

Everyone was blasting Isiah & the knicks for being so capped out that they couldn't resign Butler and how bad that was that we missed out because of mismanagement.

Wrong- IT was saving up for something he thought was better than butler.
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8/14/2006  9:17 PM
I think that you need to remember that this was written in the Washington Post where there is going to be a bias. Also remember that the Knicks pay double for any player that they sign. The only argument I think that you could make against his signing was that the Knicks could have kept Jackie Butler but didn't because they were being 'fiscally responsible'. I think Jeffries is a good fit for the Knicks and he let Washington know that he did not want to stay.
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8/14/2006  9:36 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Fact remains, most people like the move DESPITE the IMMENSE price tag for a ROLE PLAYER. Yes, it will be mentioned, because people who can see past the kool-aid know it is and will be an issue
Just to play devil's advocate: Explain what the issue is. In other words, what are the negative consequences of Jeffries receiving $5 mil rather than $3 mil per season?

As mentioned 100 times before, the consequences are for the actual fans of the team, it costs more money to go to the games. In other words, only someone heavily induced in a delusional state would say, "it ain't your money". It sure is. Dolan sure ain't taking a loss for Jared Jeffries.

What I don't get is why people can't accept the fact that we're paying a lot for a role player, and DESPITE THAT we STILL like the signing? Do we have to be 100% kool-aid or else we're not supporting the team? The moronic responses in the thread to the FACT that $12 MM is a lot for a role player just show the immaturity of some of the posters on this board. (Not directing that at you, Bonn)
That's it? The idea that it will cost more to go to games? How much more are you going to be spending per year because of this Solace?
The bigger issue is that ticket prices are high in part because of how high the payroll is, not because of Jeffries. It seems like the same issue as Nalod--you really have a problem, like I do, with the payroll of the rest of the club excluding the rookie contracts, not with the fact that Jeffries is making $5 instead of $3 mil per.
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8/14/2006  9:53 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by misterearl:

Nalod - you so crazy

It ain't your money

the way some of you are concerened with the salary cap it would seem you would be much happier pulling for the Atlanta Hawks.. they are under the cap... have been for two years.

I didn't say I was against it, I just said it boggles the mind! The disrespect for money of this organization is collossal!

With morons running the place as they do, its no wonder we suck!

Imagine if they had half a brain, just half mind you and were succesful, how much all that damm money could do!

This is a good pick up, but im no homer to just eat all the crap they throw around at us.

Jeffries is the type of player we need.

But we got a payroll that will always garner attention.
Then you're problem is with the makeup of the roster and payroll (and I suspect we agree on those issues), not with the fact that Jeffries is getting $5 mil rather than $3 mil.

My problem is you have a roster costing 125mil a year and you can't trade assets to get what you really need!

Indy lets Peja walk and in his place they use a trade exemption to get al harrington back, and have granger developing also!

Thats smart. Peja ain't worth the money OK paying, and Artest as much as he is talented phuched them over. They moved forward and were savvy!

We just pull out a checkbook!
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8/14/2006  10:56 PM
>> franco - Everyone was blasting Isiah & the knicks for being so capped out that they couldn't resign Butler and how bad that was that we missed out because of mismanagement.

>>Wrong- IT was saving up for something he thought was better than butler.


franco - thank you

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8/14/2006  11:59 PM
I think it is irrelevant to Isaiah faith how much Dolan will pay for JJ2 or for any other player.
JJ2 will not really affect the outcome, as well as any other player.
If Knicks want to be a winning team they need to develop the direction and the wining system.
And to do this they need good couching in first place. Only IT can help IT.
If he will have a passion and authority to play 40 mil of the roster and bury 80+ on the bench he will have a chance.
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8/14/2006  11:59 PM
It's a no-brainer kind of signing. He's not the kind of player that carries the team on his back, but he's a contributer.
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Posted by Ira:

It's a no-brainer kind of signing. He's not the kind of player that carries the team on his back, but he's a contributer.

Agreed
It was a lot of trades and signings around which are so much crapier.
And with the assets we have it is no way to get anything reasonable.
The value of the most of the players we have and don't need is close to zero or below.

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8/15/2006  7:58 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by misterearl:

Nalod - you so crazy

It ain't your money

the way some of you are concerened with the salary cap it would seem you would be much happier pulling for the Atlanta Hawks.. they are under the cap... have been for two years.

I didn't say I was against it, I just said it boggles the mind! The disrespect for money of this organization is collossal!

With morons running the place as they do, its no wonder we suck!

Imagine if they had half a brain, just half mind you and were succesful, how much all that damm money could do!

This is a good pick up, but im no homer to just eat all the crap they throw around at us.

Jeffries is the type of player we need.

But we got a payroll that will always garner attention.
Then you're problem is with the makeup of the roster and payroll (and I suspect we agree on those issues), not with the fact that Jeffries is getting $5 mil rather than $3 mil.

My problem is you have a roster costing 125mil a year and you can't trade assets to get what you really need!

Indy lets Peja walk and in his place they use a trade exemption to get al harrington back, and have granger developing also!

Thats smart. Peja ain't worth the money OK paying, and Artest as much as he is talented phuched them over. They moved forward and were savvy!

We just pull out a checkbook!
Like I said!
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8/15/2006  9:32 AM
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>>>>>>>>>>

So Washington says good riddance to a player who was one of Eddie Jordan's favorites and slam Isiah for overpaying when they offered him a contract totaling more money. Transparent.

Its a matter of expectations. Washington is free to feel disappointed with Jared's contributions, they were probably expecting more from their lottery pick. But you keep hearing how the guy is a one dimensional role player, as though the Knicks didn't know that and as though that isn't exactly what the Knicks need.

Chicago is paying over $12 million this year for their one dimensional role player (one who is already 32 years old and on the decline), so maybe, just maybe, there is something to that one dimension that is really important in the game of basketball?

Wonder what that is.
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8/15/2006  9:54 AM
the fact that Isiah got a player who can actually PLAY for the MLE this time is a refreshing turn of events... did we overpay? if you include the luxury tax, no doubt we did... but compare that to the moronic signing of a guy like Jerome James last year to the same exact contract & getting Jared Jefferies may seem like the second coming of our Lord & Savior to some.
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8/15/2006  5:04 PM
Posted by misterearl:

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>>>>>>>>>>

So Washington says good riddance to a player who was one of Eddie Jordan's favorites and slam Isiah for overpaying when they offered him a contract totaling more money. Transparent.

Its a matter of expectations. Washington is free to feel disappointed with Jared's contributions, they were probably expecting more from their lottery pick. But you keep hearing how the guy is a one dimensional role player, as though the Knicks didn't know that and as though that isn't exactly what the Knicks need.

Chicago is paying over $12 million this year for their one dimensional role player (one who is already 32 years old and on the decline), so maybe, just maybe, there is something to that one dimension that is really important in the game of basketball?

Wonder what that is.

That guy on Chicago is also one of the top 3 defensive players in the entire NBA and one of the few that can change the game from a defensive standpoint.

The only thing Wallace and Jeffries have in common is what they're costing their team.
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8/15/2006  5:13 PM
Posted by franco12:

I'll take Jeffries and his $12mm over Francis and his $24mm.

Agreed, and like I'll reiterate, I STILL like the JJ2 signing. But it isn't JJ2 vs. Francis. We have both. This team spends money like water. Some cost management might make ticket prices more reasonable.
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Solace HATES the Jared Jefferies signing, blah blah blah blah...

Like I keep saying, despite the high price, I still like the JJ2 signing. I don't know why people in this thread continue to put words in my mouth past what I actually said. Is it really that difficult to comprehend? Ticket costs concern me as a fan. That is my right to be concerned. If you disagree, tough.
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8/15/2006  6:18 PM
Do you go to a lot of Knick games or do you just have some general concern for the financial well-being of Knick season ticket holders? I personally think anyone WEALTHY enough to have Knick season tickets should be (a) paying the extra buck or two for Jeffries AND (b) paying my rent and tuition!
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8/15/2006  7:51 PM
also- part of the reason ticket prices are so high is this is NYC, not the meadowlands.
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8/15/2006  8:10 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Do you go to a lot of Knick games or do you just have some general concern for the financial well-being of Knick season ticket holders? I personally think anyone WEALTHY enough to have Knick season tickets should be (a) paying the extra buck or two for Jeffries AND (b) paying my rent and tuition!

what are you paying tuition for? i thought you had a teaching assistantship.
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8/15/2006  9:42 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Do you go to a lot of Knick games or do you just have some general concern for the financial well-being of Knick season ticket holders? I personally think anyone WEALTHY enough to have Knick season tickets should be (a) paying the extra buck or two for Jeffries AND (b) paying my rent and tuition!

what are you paying tuition for? i thought you had a teaching assistantship.

I'm an international student. I have a teaching assistantship but I also have high tuition that just went up.
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8/15/2006  11:02 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Do you go to a lot of Knick games or do you just have some general concern for the financial well-being of Knick season ticket holders? I personally think anyone WEALTHY enough to have Knick season tickets should be (a) paying the extra buck or two for Jeffries AND (b) paying my rent and tuition!

what are you paying tuition for? i thought you had a teaching assistantship.

I'm an international student. I have a teaching assistantship but I also have high tuition that just went up.

why don't you drop out so you can attend more knick games?
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