[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Frye = Overrated?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 2 of 5 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
Allanfan20
Posts: 35947
Alba Posts: 50
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #542
USA
8/9/2006  11:22 AM
Who knows what he'll be. I said he'll be an 18/8 player at some point. But I don't think he's overrated just b/c he's a very active player and he plays extremely hard all the time. His problem is his footwork and balance on the defense. Just has to learn the angles and cuts and where to be and all that. Playing defense in the NBA is extremely hard and most players don't turn out to be very good defenders until later in their careers. I said MOST, not ALL. This goes for David Lee and Nate Robinson as well btw, and I'm postive Balkman too.

Like I said, Channign just has to continue working on his legs and overall body strength so he can work on his positioning. And one more thing, he has to ALWAYS be 100% confident in his jumper. I can't count how many times he's passes on them last season. It got annoying.

I don't doubt he can be an all star, but I also don't doubt he will never be a starter. It's up to him.
“Whenever I’m about to do something, I think ‘Would an idiot do that?’ and if they would, I do NOT do that thing.”- Dwight Schrute
AUTOADVERT
nyvector16
Posts: 21341
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/9/2001
Member: #130
USA
8/9/2006  1:27 PM
Frye looked bulked up to me when he made his summer league appearances.
He seems alot more stacked than before.
Last year he was thin and wirey, this year he seems much more beefed up.
I think we'll see him exploit inferior talent in the post all year long.
He can dish it and dunk it.
He got so many tools... He will be a great asset for us this year and many more to come.
franco12
Posts: 34069
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/19/2004
Member: #599
USA
8/9/2006  1:42 PM
Posted by bernard:

Thanks, Martin. That's exactly right. I'm not writing Frye off. Said I think he'll be borderline starter/6th man. Concern is that I get the sense that a lot of Knick fans see him as a front-of-the-rotation type guy -- someone who will be our best or 2nd best player. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see him developing into that.

I don't think borderline starters/sixth men typically put up 30 points twice in their rookie season. I think he is going to be our starter at the 4 position for the next several years unless he is traded in some deal.
joec32033
Posts: 30632
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #583
USA
8/9/2006  1:51 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by bernard:

Thanks, Martin. That's exactly right. I'm not writing Frye off. Said I think he'll be borderline starter/6th man. Concern is that I get the sense that a lot of Knick fans see him as a front-of-the-rotation type guy -- someone who will be our best or 2nd best player. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see him developing into that.

I don't think borderline starters/sixth men typically put up 30 points twice in their rookie season. I think he is going to be our starter at the 4 position for the next several years unless he is traded in some deal.

Willie Green put up a 50 point game for Miami once.....Cliff Robinson put up 50, Craw put up 50, Tracy Murray put up 50, Charles Smith and Terry Cmmings put up 52 once....http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=50pointsinagame&prov=st&type=lgns..you'd be surprised at some of the average players that put up 50.
~You can't run from who you are.~
nyvector16
Posts: 21341
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/9/2001
Member: #130
USA
8/9/2006  3:37 PM
Wow... so now it's time to attack our best prospect in Frye.
If he had been given consistent minutes by Brown and had not gotten injured he would have given Paul a run for his money for the Rookie of the year award. He's got the sweetest jumper in big man on our team since LJ... although I would say his J is superior to LJ's. He's got sweet post up moves and plays with Fire when he is out on the floor. He's clearly bulked up in the offseason and is ready to do some damage this year. I think he'll avg no less than 15pts and 4rbs a game his sophomore year.
nyk4ever
Posts: 41010
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
8/9/2006  4:38 PM
Posted by nyvector16:

Wow... so now it's time to attack our best prospect in Frye.
If he had been given consistent minutes by Brown and had not gotten injured he would have given Paul a run for his money for the Rookie of the year award. He's got the sweetest jumper in big man on our team since LJ... although I would say his J is superior to LJ's. He's got sweet post up moves and plays with Fire when he is out on the floor. He's clearly bulked up in the offseason and is ready to do some damage this year. I think he'll avg no less than 15pts and 4rbs a game his sophomore year.

I haven't seen any postup moves from Frye. And we better hope he gets more than 4 rebounds per game or else the Knicks are HUGE trouble.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
8/9/2006  5:26 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nyvector16:

Wow... so now it's time to attack our best prospect in Frye.
If he had been given consistent minutes by Brown and had not gotten injured he would have given Paul a run for his money for the Rookie of the year award. He's got the sweetest jumper in big man on our team since LJ... although I would say his J is superior to LJ's. He's got sweet post up moves and plays with Fire when he is out on the floor. He's clearly bulked up in the offseason and is ready to do some damage this year. I think he'll avg no less than 15pts and 4rbs a game his sophomore year.

I haven't seen any postup moves from Frye.
You serious? He's got a nice jump hook with either hand.

Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
8/9/2006  5:50 PM
Frye has been compared to Tim Duncan on this board. Yes, I do think saying he's been overrated on this board is accurate.

That being said, he's obviously a pretty good starter and a key piece to our future, win lose or draw.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
EnySpree
Posts: 44919
Alba Posts: 138
Joined: 4/18/2003
Member: #397
8/9/2006  7:06 PM
I think the knicks got Brad dauthery(sp?) when they drafted frye. Brad was a nice player. He wasn't a defensive guy though he was no push over. He was known as a excellent passer if not one of the best at the center spot during his time. He was an all-star a few times and topped out at like 20 and 9 maybe a block.

Just like Brad frye isn't quick going left to right but he was very athletic when it came to running up and down the court. Brad had the soft label on him too and that wasn't the case. Brad is just a nice guy exactly like frye.

Its going to be interesting in the future cuz curry and frye are both centers with good athletic ability.
Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast https://twitter.com/DiehardknicksPC https://instagram.com/diehardknickspodcast
Anji
Posts: 25523
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 4/14/2006
Member: #1122
USA
8/9/2006  8:22 PM
Mar 21 vs. Raptors
28 Mintues
7-15 FieldGoal
5-5 Free throws
3Off Boards
6Def Boards
9Total
1Steal
4Blocks
0TurnOvers
3Fouls
19Points

Coming into his own in his rookie season and he gets injuried........ The sky is the limited for frye.

Close this thread please!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by - Anji on 08-09-2006 8:23 PM]
"Really, all Americans want is a cold beer, warm p***y, and some place to s**t with a door on it." - Mr. Ford
martin
Posts: 80242
Alba Posts: 108
Joined: 7/24/2001
Member: #2
USA
8/9/2006  9:51 PM
Posted by Anji:

Mar 21 vs. Raptors
28 Mintues
7-15 FieldGoal
5-5 Free throws
3Off Boards
6Def Boards
9Total
1Steal
4Blocks
0TurnOvers
3Fouls
19Points

Coming into his own in his rookie season and he gets injuried........ The sky is the limited for frye.

Close this thread please!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by - Anji on 08-09-2006 8:23 PM]

1 game DEFINITELY makes for good potential!!!!! I almost closed this thread but the !!!! count was just too low. Thanks for the insight.
Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
8/9/2006  10:11 PM
Has the one legged gimpy Amare stopped abusing Frye yet?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
8/9/2006  11:25 PM
Posted by Anji:

Mar 21 vs. Raptors
28 Mintues
7-15 FieldGoal
5-5 Free throws
3Off Boards
6Def Boards
9Total
1Steal
4Blocks
0TurnOvers
3Fouls
19Points

Coming into his own in his rookie season and he gets injuried........ The sky is the limited for frye.

Close this thread please!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by - Anji on 08-09-2006 8:23 PM]

Wow. In a one game season, Frye could be Tim Duncan. Wow!!!
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
bigbeast
Posts: 22333
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 12/21/2005
Member: #1060
8/9/2006  11:31 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Anji:

Mar 21 vs. Raptors
28 Mintues
7-15 FieldGoal
5-5 Free throws
3Off Boards
6Def Boards
9Total
1Steal
4Blocks
0TurnOvers
3Fouls
19Points

Coming into his own in his rookie season and he gets injuried........ The sky is the limited for frye.

Close this thread please!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by - Anji on 08-09-2006 8:23 PM]

Wow. In a one game season, Frye could be Tim Duncan. Wow!!!


You guys act like that was the only good game Frye had. That was one of many breakout games. He was perhaps the most valuble Knick for most of the month of December.
"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
8/9/2006  11:33 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Anji:

Mar 21 vs. Raptors
28 Mintues
7-15 FieldGoal
5-5 Free throws
3Off Boards
6Def Boards
9Total
1Steal
4Blocks
0TurnOvers
3Fouls
19Points

Coming into his own in his rookie season and he gets injuried........ The sky is the limited for frye.

Close this thread please!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by - Anji on 08-09-2006 8:23 PM]

Wow. In a one game season, Frye could be Tim Duncan. Wow!!!


You guys act like that was the only good game Frye had. That was one of many breakout games. He was perhaps the most valuble Knick for most of the month of December.

He posted one game, he got responded to on the basis of the one game, because as far as I can tell, that was his argument. Nobody said Frye had only one good game. Frye had his share of bad games, though. I think he will turn out pretty good, but there's no question he's overrated here. We're talking about a big man who is a below-average rebounder and poor defender. Until he really works on those parts of his game, names like Duncan, etc... should never be mentioned. I like Frye's offensive game, but there's a lot more to the NBA than one element.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
nyk4ever
Posts: 41010
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
8/10/2006  1:07 AM
Posted by Solace:

=
He posted one game, he got responded to on the basis of the one game, because as far as I can tell, that was his argument. Nobody said Frye had only one good game. Frye had his share of bad games, though. I think he will turn out pretty good, but there's no question he's overrated here. We're talking about a big man who is a below-average rebounder and poor defender. Until he really works on those parts of his game, names like Duncan, etc... should never be mentioned. I like Frye's offensive game, but there's a lot more to the NBA than one element.

THANKYOU Solace. I've been saying this for awhile now, I'm happy someone else realizes it too. I love the shooting aspect of Frye's game but other than that if you didn't know how tall he was, you would think he's a shooting guard. Frye doesn't rebound the ball and he doesnt defend well, two things that you NEED in the NBA from your starting 4. I don't want to hear how Frye is still young and still has a chance to get better at this because I watched him his whole collegiate career and he was always weak at these aspects and he still was last year. I love Frye, he's a great kid but he's extremely overated on this board because he really only shoots the ball well. I'll be the first in line to see him post 18/10 next year, I just don't wear rose-colored glasses.

"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
EnySpree
Posts: 44919
Alba Posts: 138
Joined: 4/18/2003
Member: #397
8/10/2006  1:20 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Anji:

Mar 21 vs. Raptors
28 Mintues
7-15 FieldGoal
5-5 Free throws
3Off Boards
6Def Boards
9Total
1Steal
4Blocks
0TurnOvers
3Fouls
19Points

Coming into his own in his rookie season and he gets injuried........ The sky is the limited for frye.

Close this thread please!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited by - Anji on 08-09-2006 8:23 PM]

Wow. In a one game season, Frye could be Tim Duncan. Wow!!!

Dude what was so special about that game? Frye had a **** load of games like that including a few 30 pt games.

So the moral is, yes frye is a tad overrated. Is he a good player yes. How good? Let's just hope he can maintain just good for now!
Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast https://twitter.com/DiehardknicksPC https://instagram.com/diehardknickspodcast
Anji
Posts: 25523
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 4/14/2006
Member: #1122
USA
8/10/2006  1:21 AM
Yeah, if he doesn't become a player that is considered to be a top 50 player three quarters into his career in Duncan then he is over rated.............. what's the point of saying he will fall short of what might be a top 5 all-time player at his postion??? Is wade even in Jordans zip code???? We know Duncan and alot of people see alot of duncans tools in frye, is what people are saying if they make those comparisons. We know Jordan, that's what people see in wade......... it's not a hard concept.

And I didn't post a game frye had, I posted his last game and what he actually did on the basketball court. YOu know something tangable. So instead of believeling what he did, in the situation that he was in, The fact that he change his game in half way threw a season, in his first season.... you guys talk hold more weight??? ROFL. So instead of saying he needs to do X-Y-Z like he did nothing to improve, I was showing he was doing more of X_Y_Z and not only improving..... HE WAS DOIND IT MID-SEASON.

Now I don't belivev he will become Duncan, but if the world ended this second there isn't a thing you guys could point to that would absolutly say he can't or wouldn't. THe sky is the limit for frye and that is my point. Are you guys that sour???? He wouldn't get compared to duncan if he didn't have any chance of being that good, or being an over rated comparison closer to David robinson I guess(LOL, a bad thing because he is probably under duncan all time). He has a chance to be very good and hasn't even played 82 games yet......... please with the sour and dower route, he was a rookie, he is in his first off season. Lighten up!!!!!!!!

islesfan Has the one legged gimpy Amare stopped abusing Frye yet?
Like this guy, sounds witty and smart on the surface and plays to a certin crowd. But THe fact that Frye wasn't even suppose to be in the summer league and only started running 2weeks before, totally make a comment like this lame. I don't know, maybe it's just me.......... you know what Forget this ever happened.

Lee is better then Frye.



[Edited by - Anji on 08-10-2006 01:26 AM]
"Really, all Americans want is a cold beer, warm p***y, and some place to s**t with a door on it." - Mr. Ford
EnySpree
Posts: 44919
Alba Posts: 138
Joined: 4/18/2003
Member: #397
8/10/2006  1:32 AM
No need for a rant.

Frye is good, could be better, could find jahova and retire to a mountain top, or get addicted to coke hanging out in the heights, yadda, yadda, yadda.....big bird is gay.

I think we might have reached the end of this journey.
Subscribe to my Podcast https://youtube.com/c/DiehardknicksPodcast https://twitter.com/DiehardknicksPC https://instagram.com/diehardknickspodcast
oohah
Posts: 26600
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/7/2005
Member: #887
8/10/2006  2:08 AM
Okay guys, let me straighten this out for you. There is no true knock on Frye...yet. He seems destined to be at least a pretty good player.

He is highly skilled, he's tall and beefing up, he's athletic, he is smart. He showed himself to be an impact player and a scorer to be reckoned with.

If I were coaching the Knicks last year he would have contended for rookie of the year.

Was he perfect? No. He has some things to learn. He fell out of sync occasionally (Who didn't?), and most notably, he had some defense trouble, though not nearly as much as some guys have made it out to be. All rookies get abused on defense at some time or another, even if they end up becoming defensive stars! Rookies have to take their lumps!

I see no aspect of his game to lament or doubt yet. Let's give him a year or two, study him, truly learn his weaknesses, and then use them against him to destroy him!!!!

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 08-10-2006 02:09 AM]
Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
Page 2 of 5 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4 Next ›Last »
« Reply To Topic
Frye = Overrated?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy