Posted by 4949:

Yeah, but the questions of salary eventually will start being asked, when we find that we can't pay for that KG or offer a Kobe a free agent contract and all that other good stuff.

KG has only made it out of the first round of the playoffs once and hasn't made the playoffs in two years and Kobe hasn't done crap without Shaq. What are we missing out on again? Cool national commercials? More smugness than Marbury? Gee, thanks, I'll pass.

Fan is who cares.
To be negative or positive means care about the stuff.
If one starts feeling that he doesn’t care about the Knicks then he is done as a Knicks fan
By the way the players who doesn’t care about fans and basketball but only the paychecks are done like a players.
At least for me...

Posted by NYK3:

I, for one, am a big kool aid drinker and believe anything is possible. Why cant we win 40-45 games this year?? But you cant really blame people for being so down and negative on this team and the organization right now.

Let's be honest 40 wins is a DREADFUL failure. When do we account for having DOUBLE the payroll of every team in the league. Ill give credit to the Yankees here[a team i dislike] they always win big with the big payroll, and this year they had HUGE injuries that would destory most teams but their money is spent well and their under-rated manager/management kept this thing afloat and now sit in first place. If YOUR team spends this kind of money, has all of these max players and are throing around 30mm at role players 40 wins isnt acceptable. If they believe that LB wrecked the season[BS by the way] then that menas they believe they were a .500 club last year with good coaching and with this payroll ONLY a 45 win team at an ABSOLUTE minimum would be acceptable. Im not looking at +17 with this team. You payout 140mm you better win 45+ no exception, no excuse.

We need a group hug.

Why would you say that if this team wins 40 games there should be no credit to IT? The great basketball mind that is LB could not get 23 wins out of basically the same team. If Isiah gets this team to 40+ wins and the players look like they are developing under him, I think he deserves the credit and another year to see if he can further improve the team. People seem to forget that IT has not really been here that long and given the team he inherited, this team is vastly better. Yes, he made mistakes, but I think this year will validate his tenure as Knicks GM.

Posted by Bippity10:

When you yell at your child does that mean you hate your child? When your roomate/child sits on the couch all day instead of doing the one tiny chore you ask of him, do you yell at him and tell him to get off his lazy ass and do it or do you stand back and applaud all the potential he has. And if you yell does that mean you hate him, or do you just want him to do what he is expected to do.

This post is ridiculously dumb. People are posting 24 seven on a website about the Knicks and someone questions if they are fans or not. Again I repeat, this post is dumb. Everyone here is ready to root for the Knicks. Everyone here has hope in their heart. Just some people can't watch a team get blown out by 30 pts in 30 percent of their games and then sit back and tell them how fantastic they are. It is time for the players to earn their praise. I love the young talent on this team. But until guys stop whining and produce wins for me on the court I will not applaud and kiss their asses. You have to earn that from Bip. All I'm asking is for my players not to quit and play hard. Is that so hard?

ditto

elaboration:
http://www.actagainstviolence.com/specialtopics/yelling.html

While occasional yelling is common in American families, parents who constantly yell at their children are subjecting their children to emotional abuse that researchers say can be as harmful as physical abuse. A 2001 study in the American Journal of Psychiatry involving 49 people with depersonalization disorder (a mental disorder in which a person has a feeling of detachment or estrangement from one’s self) and 26 emotionally healthy people, found that yelling and other forms of emotional abuse was a more significant predictor of mental illness than sexual and physical abuse.

Good to see you guys agree, hopefully you both learn and evolve and don't use yelling as a form of discipline.

But then again, you do tend to gang up on posters you disagree with, so maybe your children are doomed.

Briggs - the Yankee analogy is not one that carries much weight. In basketball, its much harder to get out of jail. The Yankees can spend their way past the Kevin Browns, past the Carl Pavanos even past the Randy Johnsons of the world. When a FA hits the market (i.e. Sheffield, Moose, Matsui, Giambi, Damon etc.), the Yanks can pounce. The Knicks cannot. The Knicks haven't added a marquee player via FA really ever. Yes, they put themselves into financial purgatory, but the escape route in basketball (unlike baseball, football) is a difficult one.

Posted by rvhoss:

elaboration:
http://www.actagainstviolence.com/specialtopics/yelling.html

While occasional yelling is common in American families, parents who constantly yell at their children are subjecting their children to emotional abuse that researchers say can be as harmful as physical abuse. A 2001 study in the American Journal of Psychiatry involving 49 people with depersonalization disorder (a mental disorder in which a person has a feeling of detachment or estrangement from one’s self) and 26 emotionally healthy people, found that yelling and other forms of emotional abuse was a more significant predictor of mental illness than sexual and physical abuse.

Good to see you guys agree, hopefully you both learn and evolve and don't use yelling as a form of discipline.

But then again, you do tend to gang up on posters you disagree with, so maybe your children are doomed.

Fantastic people that don't know me, never met me, have never been to my house analyzing my parenting skills. No wonder you guys get so upset and near to tears whenever LB did something. You guys think you actually know him :).

I've been a father for 18 months now. To this date I have not raised a voice to anyone that is not associated with my basketball team(they definitely get yelled at). As a matter of fact I am known for being a wise ass that never gets angry and is sarcastic and witty to a fault. My biggest fault is cracking a joke in situations when jokes really aren't advisable(if you read my posts you would know this by now). My father is the same way. I've told many a story of my father when we posted on MSG. You guys unfortunately missed it so I guess that's why you are guessing as to what type of guy I really am. My father is hilarious. The Bips are hilarious. We are all loud, obnoxious and the life of the party. My father, mother and brother all came from the hood and are all happy to be out. Life is good for the Bips. Nice to meet you and welcome to my family.

As for my basketball players. They get yelled at a lot. I have no patience and don't apologize for it. I yell when I'm angry. I yell even when I'm not angry. I demand, demand and demand. If a player isn't playing hard he does not play until he can prove that he is willing to play hard. If you do anything outside of the team concept even if you are 100% sure I'm wrong, you will sit. Explain it to me afterwards. Bitch to my face afterwards. I have no problem with this. But if you don't play hard you don't play. When my son is on my team he will get the same treatment. When parents first here of me they say I'm an ogre. When I invite them to practice to see me coach they realize why I do the things I do and they love me. My teams are known for being the hardest working teams in the state. I've taken talented teams and won. And horrible teams and lost. But we've never once taken a minute off on the court. Why? Because I demand it. Players hate me when they play for me. They despise me. Some may want to kill me. I could care less. But when they graduate(actually happens when they are seniors) they figure it out. They all come back during the summers and winters and thank me. Seven years later and my first team still shows up to my games and they didn't even go to my current school. Discipline is not a bad thing. Demanding effort is not a bad thing. Accepting poor effort is.

So if you guys want to get to know me, feel free to ask me mature questions or just read my posts. My opinions on the Knicks efforts can be directly traced to my coaching and not my parenting skills. It's insulting but I will let it slide because that's the way you treat your basketball players/coaches. If you don't agree with them, everything they do must be bad. That just appears to be your approach to the world and I accept it(I'm of course guessing because I don't know you).

As for your "study". Mental abuse is a little different than "yelling at your child". But it was a nice sophmoric attempt at proving a point.