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David Lee's role with Jefferies.
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islesfan
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8/6/2006  11:46 AM
Posted by JayNYC:
Posted by islesfan:
He is long, young, wirey and an underrated shooter plus he can play multi positions.

Underrated shooter??? Is it his 43% FG% that tells you this? Or maybe it's his 29% from 3pt range. I'm sure it can't be his 59% from the FT line that shows how underrated he is as a shooter.

Ok, I see your point... "stats don't lie right, aren't a lil misleading" Question for you, Would you consider Ray Allen one of the better shooters, arguably the best in this game? What about Peja Stojakovic? Do me a favor check their career stats, compare those numbers and then holla back.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Jared Jeffries has that kind of stroke.. but the fact is he can knock em down. 29% 3pt efficiency ain't bad in this league. 43% field goal shooting is on par w/ the best shooters in the game. Free Throws, ain't no denying... he needs to hit those w/ regularity.. BUT MY POINT is this (Reference to "Underrated").. He is not highly touted for his ability to shoot, but he can! I like the fact that he is now known for his defensive prowess.. all I'm saying is that opposing Defenses will HAVE to honor his ability to shoot or else he will make them pay.


I don't know if you follow college basketball as heavily... But I do, and I remember Jared Jeffries as an above average Inside/Out player... I think he led Indiana in scoring at that time. Thats why he was a lottery pick dude.. the kid can ball. I think he is a great addition to this roster.. and will surprise alot of the naysayers. <<<--- However, you spell that word!



[Edited by - JayNYC on 08-06-2006 11:19 AM]

As you suggested, it's asinine to compare Jeffries to the Stojakovics and Allens of the NBA so I'm not going to bother.

Sometimes stats do tell the story and in this case they do. Jeffries is not a very good shooter.
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8/6/2006  11:52 AM
NBA Comparison: Danny Manning (pre-injury)

haha, Danny Manning.. wow (Killer Kansas JayHawk), He used to be the TRUTH before his knees failed. That would be NICE!!!! I don't know if Jared Jeffries will pan out to be that good offensively for us, True Story.. BUT, that post from NBA DRAFT.NET does put into perspective what I was saying about his ability to knock down shots and keep Defenses honest. Good Find, purple012870
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8/6/2006  12:01 PM

As you suggested, it's asinine to compare Jeffries to the Stojakovics and Allens of the NBA so I'm not going to bother.

Sometimes stats do tell the story and in this case they do. Jeffries is not a very good shooter.


That is such a contradiction my dude (Sometimes Stats do tell the story) You can't stradle the fence, Anyway you don't have to post their stats (Ray & Peja) but I'm sure you understand my position.

Jeffries may not be a "very good shooter", but it's not because of what the stats show. In fact, I never said that he was a "very good shooter" to begin with, ... I did say "He is not highly touted for his ability to shoot, but he can! I like the fact that he is now known for his defensive prowess.. all I'm saying is that opposing Defenses will HAVE to honor his ability to shoot or else he will make them pay." That in itself will make him effective for NYK.

He doesn't have to be lights out.. It would be nice.. but he does need to be able to make open shots, Which he can! He is an UPGRADE over the other SMALL FORWARDS why, because we truly don't have one! But beyond that, his value will be that he accepts being a key role player that opposing teams are now forced to respect because he can beat you in a number of ways.. that's what is gonna make him be a dynamic part of the NYK roster next yr. That's why people seem to be excited about this signing.



[Edited by - JayNYC on 08-06-2006 12:04 PM]
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8/6/2006  12:26 PM
JayNYC - very well said

Jeffries, Frye and Lee is a cohesive combination of brains and brawn I look "forward" to



[Edited by - misterearl on 08-06-2006 12:27 PM]
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8/6/2006  12:39 PM
Posted by purple012870:

Why is having a "logjam" significant? Isiah will have a set rotation, Isiah will have the most productive guy in the lineup, Isiah will not have some sort of dishonorable agenda like his predecessor. Right off the bat, I have to believe that MRose, Mo Taylor, Jerome James & QRich will play a fraction of the minutes they go last year. Why? Because Lee, Frye, Jefferies etc. are flat out better. Geez....you don't have to be Jerry West to see that MRose, Mo Taylor, Jerome James & QRich were borderline NBA calibur players last year. Isiah will see that. I foresee avg minutes as follows:

Guards:
Marbury - 38
Nate - 10
Craw, Francis - 24 (until somebody earns the greater allocation here)...I think it'll bee Craw

Forwards:
Frye - 26
Lee - 24
Jefferies - 24
JRose - 12
Balkman - 10

Center:
Curry - 30
Frye - 12
James - 6

Purple,nice math, but you're wasting your time. There will be players who will simply ride the pine for this team. This is Isiah's team and he's has a win or else ultimatum. He will play each game like its a playoff game and that means that JJ, J Rose and even Francis will probably not see any time. Nate and Craw were 2 of the best things to come out of last year. To think that they would not be on the floor with this team is insane. Lee is going to play some at the 4, he can't shoot free throws and that's going to limit his time.
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8/6/2006  12:41 PM
I dont think Jefferies hurts Lee playing time at all. Not that I ever want to think like Isiah but Lee played great at the four in summer league. That is his natural position and I can see him getting 20 minutes a game there and 8 minutes at the three when your playing a big three like Dirk, Odom, or a Antoine Walker. If Lee gets 28 minutes a game he will average about 9 boards a game. I can envision a lineup of Steph, Jamal, Jefferies, Frye, and Lee because of Curry in foul trouble. Jared give you a character guy that will defer to the guys that needs shots.
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8/6/2006  1:07 PM
Well, how's this for a realistic breakdown of minutes in the frontcourt:
Curry: 30mpg
Frye: 32mpg
Jeffries: 28mpg
David Lee: 26mpg
Q-Rich: 26mpg (splitting time at SG/SF)...
I don't think Frye/Curry willl emerge as consistent 35-40mpg players, at least not this season - we have too much depth for that to happen, and heck, you can't really play the D'Antoni Phoenix Suns style with true big men on the floor. Curry would be in line for a breakthrough season if he can manage to stay on the floor for over 30mpg.

I believe that David Lee will emerge as the first big man off the bench; the other candidates (Mo Taylor, Malik Rose, Jerome James) aren't nearly as enticing. Heck, James doesn't really fit in this offense at all. Maybe we'll be able to trade him for another MLE bust (there are plenty of 'em around the league).

The big key for the Knicks is who develops more - Frye or Curry. IMHO, that'll decide the Knicks' style of play.
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8/6/2006  2:21 PM
David Lee should start at PF. Unless Curry picks up his rebs big time, Curry-Frye-Jefferies, though they have great size in the frontcourt. They are a pretty weak rebounding frontcourt
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8/6/2006  2:26 PM
Posted by CrushAlot:

I was really hoping that Lee would be the starting small forward this year. He had a great summer league and looks like one of those gems that Isiah is able to find. I hope that now that the Knicks have Jefferies that Lee isn't packaged in a trade to move a bad contract.

Lee packaged in a trade?! That is insane! He's easily a starter and should start every damn game this season. That kid is one tough nosed rebounder and isn't afraid of anyone. If we got rid of Lee, I'd quit the Knicks! No lie!!!
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8/6/2006  2:30 PM
Posted by technomaster:

Well, how's this for a realistic breakdown of minutes in the frontcourt:
Curry: 30mpg
Frye: 32mpg
Jeffries: 28mpg
David Lee: 26mpg
Q-Rich: 26mpg (splitting time at SG/SF)...
I don't think Frye/Curry willl emerge as consistent 35-40mpg players, at least not this season - we have too much depth for that to happen, and heck, you can't really play the D'Antoni Phoenix Suns style with true big men on the floor. Curry would be in line for a breakthrough season if he can manage to stay on the floor for over 30mpg.

I believe that David Lee will emerge as the first big man off the bench; the other candidates (Mo Taylor, Malik Rose, Jerome James) aren't nearly as enticing. Heck, James doesn't really fit in this offense at all. Maybe we'll be able to trade him for another MLE bust (there are plenty of 'em around the league).

The big key for the Knicks is who develops more - Frye or Curry. IMHO, that'll decide the Knicks' style of play.

Jerome James doesn't even score, let alone being affective!

Curry's one delema is his eagerness and energy. If he can find it, then he has all the skills to be a dominating center, along with Shaq, Duncan and KG...............Okay, maybe more like Ben Wallace.

[Edited by - 4949 on 08-06-2006 3:03 PM]
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8/6/2006  5:02 PM
Marbs, Francis, Jefferies, Lee, Curry

Craw and Fyre get 30 mins a night as well

I like that starting unit because you have 3 scorers that need the ball with 2 very solid role players that don't need to touch the ball to impact the game. Jefferies is the defensive player we need and Lee gives us the rebounding next to Curry. As much as I love everything Lee does, he can't guard the quick 3's or the power 4's. Jefferies showed he could do both in the playoffs and should be guarding the best offensive player every single night. If he keeps getting better on defense and becomes a top 5 defender, I'll pay 30 million for that anyday even if he can't score a point (I think he's a top 15 defender right now)

Put Crawford and Fyre in for Marbury and Curry and that team doesn't stop running. I like Frye off the bench because he'll be playing against other second units for longer portions which should make him more effective on offense.
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8/6/2006  5:45 PM
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