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crzymdups
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Now that the Wizards have signed Deshawn it's looking more and more likely that Jefferies will be a Knick. People killed Isiah when Butler was signed by the Spurs and some people were actually claiming that Butler was better than Eddy Curry. Now, instead, we've gone out and signed a high I.Q., defensive player who doesn't need the ball to be effective. Personally, I think Jefferies is a much better fit for the team. I liked Butler, but was never sold on him being more than a nice option in the post. A few weeks ago, I said that I would be fine with letting Butler go if it meant saving the money for Jefferies. What do others think?
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Rich
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8/4/2006  5:54 PM
I will NEVER forget about the cap, and I am not going to acknowledge that it isn't going to happen, because it could and it should. To argue otherwise is to excuse their abysmal financial mismanagement, and we should all refuse to do that.
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8/4/2006  9:47 PM
I disagree. I'd say it should but can't happen with this ownership. That's not an excuse. It's just not having your hand in the sand.
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8/4/2006  9:48 PM
I would rather have a butler because he would bring me my beverages and answer the door for me.
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8/4/2006  10:27 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by misterearl:

bonn - this sin't football where a franchise simply "waives" veterans. You still must PAY them. What does Dolan accomplish by paying that much chedda to two players?
I'd rather pay Jerome James to NOT play than pay him TO play. He's THAT bad. Same with the Malik.


Malik averaged like a double double closing the season. His name should not be paired with Jerome or Mo T or even Jalen and Francis and "Starbury". He doesn't let shizat come out of his mouth and is respected and even loved by every coach he's played for and players he's played with. Heck, if you paid attention, he's become Nate Robinson's mentor (And Jamal has been one to Nate as well.) He's a nice vet to have on a team. His height is his only weakness.

Malik had a couple of nice games. Just to put things in perspective, though: If he were a free agent now, he'd have a tough time getting the league min from any team. Height and lack of ANY gaurd skills are Malik's problems. He's really the right height to be an SG. He'd be fine at this height if he could shoot, dribble, or drive and dish/finish.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-04-2006 3:33 PM]

I'd buy Malik out to open a spot and hire him as a coach. you gain the spot, keep the presence.
That would be a very good idea. I thought JYD was supposed to have some sort of role like that actually. BTW, did anyone else think this was going to be a Caron Butler vs. Jarod Jeffries thread?
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8/4/2006  10:45 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

I disagree. I'd say it should but can't happen with this ownership. That's not an excuse. It's just not having your hand in the sand.

Hand?
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8/4/2006  10:53 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I disagree. I'd say it should but can't happen with this ownership. That's not an excuse. It's just not having your hand in the sand.

Hand?

LOL
This is funny...
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8/5/2006  1:05 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

hey 30 mill or 7 mill no skin off my back. The contract isn't super long for a useless over hte hill role player either.

Like Jerome James and his 4 long ass years left?

Hell, I'd rather have Butler and/or DeShawn Stevenson.

DeShawn Stevenson, omg.

yeah, when did DeShawn become a good NBA player?

When the wizards signed him..........
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8/5/2006  1:37 AM
Honestly, we haven't really seen what one can do and the other we haven't seen at all! It'a hard to judge.
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8/5/2006  1:39 AM
Posted by islesfan:

Butler for $7M or Jeffries for $30M?

Definitely Butler.

That's depressing. This is what Butt's agent said about him earning more money? We got jipped again. Why did Zeke do it?
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8/5/2006  4:45 AM
Because Butler is a back up and Jeffries is a starter......... I don't understand how this is hard to get??? No starting small forward>>>> Third back up center. It's not really an Intelligent point to be bring up in every thread when you think about it....


NE way, if the knicks don't get Jeffries I would not trade Miles for Q strate up. They are considering cuting Miles, I would try and trade Francis and Q for Miles, first rounder and Raef.........




[Edited by - Anji on 08-05-2006 04:53 AM]
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8/5/2006  5:26 AM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

hey 30 mill or 7 mill no skin off my back. The contract isn't super long for a useless over hte hill role player either.

Like Jerome James and his 4 long ass years left?

Hell, I'd rather have Butler and/or DeShawn Stevenson.

DeShawn Stevenson, omg.

yeah, when did DeShawn become a good NBA player?

When the wizards signed him..........

Actually, I agree with Isles. Stevenson is still VERY young(24, http://www2.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/players/DeShawn_Stevenson/) is a pure 2 guard who is extremely well built(6-5, 210), can defend, and is one of the most atletic guys around, although his work ethic wasn't the greatest with the Jazz, it has improved alot with the Magic.

Personally, I'd rather have him and Jefferies than a bunch of players on the roster now.

And I'd probably rather have him and Butler than Jefferies(although that would directly lead to us getting Miles-which would be the downside to that).

[Edited by - joec32033 on 08-05-2006 05:27 AM]
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8/5/2006  8:23 AM
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I disagree. I'd say it should but can't happen with this ownership. That's not an excuse. It's just not having your hand in the sand.

Hand?

LOL
This is funny...
Wow! Big LOL! I guess I was too tired. I obviously meant "head" in sand.
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8/5/2006  2:27 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by arkrud:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Bonn1997:

I disagree. I'd say it should but can't happen with this ownership. That's not an excuse. It's just not having your hand in the sand.

Hand?

LOL
This is funny...
Wow! Big LOL! I guess I was too tired. I obviously meant "head" in sand.

No, you meant hand. Much like ostriches do... when they bury their... hands... in the sand.
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8/5/2006  3:16 PM
Okay, but just one thing. Butler wasn't really a 'third' center. He was almost practically a starter, since JJ was a complete non-factor and Curry was injured and late getting it together. I'm not sure of what to think of the Jeffries move at this point, because there seems to be a lot of mixed views on it. There are up sides and down sides on this move and we'll just have to wait and see if it pays off. I do like the fact that he is just about 7', can dribble the ball well, is young has potential. But did we get another Curry is the question, although we'll be looking for big things from Curry this season. We'll just have to wait and see.
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8/5/2006  5:04 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by misterearl:

bonn - this sin't football where a franchise simply "waives" veterans. You still must PAY them. What does Dolan accomplish by paying that much chedda to two players?
I'd rather pay Jerome James to NOT play than pay him TO play. He's THAT bad. Same with the Malik.

Serious Bonn, paying some to do absolutely nothing should never be an option no mateer how bad of worker he is.


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8/5/2006  5:17 PM
Posted by knicks1248:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by misterearl:

bonn - this sin't football where a franchise simply "waives" veterans. You still must PAY them. What does Dolan accomplish by paying that much chedda to two players?
I'd rather pay Jerome James to NOT play than pay him TO play. He's THAT bad. Same with the Malik.

Serious Bonn, paying some to do absolutely nothing should never be an option no mateer how bad of worker he is.
What if he does more damage working than not working?
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8/5/2006  9:07 PM
Honestly, I think I'd rather have Butler. While I appreciate that Jeffries might bring some needed intangibles to the table, the aspects of his game that are tangible to traditional stats are extremely unimpressive. Put simply, to make up for the poverty of his 'tangible' game and be deserving of a full MLE contract, his 'intangible' game needs to be through the roof, but I think it's only above average at best. But we'll see.

Butler is a rare commodity-- a center who is a solid rebounder and has a strong knack for scoring relative to other centers-- and he's an absolute steal at his current contract. Factor in that, having kept Butler, we could have retained Qyntel and still tied up less cap space than in the single acquisition of Jeffries, and I'm not too enthused. For instance, I'd be willing to bet that if you tried to trade Jeffries for Butler and Woods two years from now, you'd get laughed under the table.

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8/5/2006  9:25 PM
Posted by Anji:

Because Butler is a back up and Jeffries is a starter......... I don't understand how this is hard to get??? No starting small forward>>>> Third back up center. It's not really an Intelligent point to be bring up in every thread when you think about it....


NE way, if the knicks don't get Jeffries I would not trade Miles for Q strate up. They are considering cuting Miles, I would try and trade Francis and Q for Miles, first rounder and Raef.........




[Edited by - Anji on 08-05-2006 04:53 AM]


jeffries is no more a starter than butler. in fact he may be less. the only reason jeffries started is becuase jarvis hayes is always injured.
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