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Bonn1997
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8/3/2006  6:03 PM
Would I like playing for Brown? Yes, if I were a lazy veteran because I'd get lots of minutes. If I were a young, hard worker? No, I'd hate it because I'd be glued to the bench. No coincidence that the three youngest, hardest working players on the team were far from positive about Brown.
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8/3/2006  6:47 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Would I like playing for Brown? Yes, if I were a lazy veteran because I'd get lots of minutes. If I were a young, hard worker? No, I'd hate it because I'd be glued to the bench. No coincidence that the three youngest, hardest working players on the team were far from positive about Brown.


i have no idea where that comment comes from... did u see Jerome James & Jalen Rose getting alot of minutes last season under LB? are you just saying that to follow along with the LB hating bandwagon, or do you honestly feel that LB gave minutes to lazy veterans last season w/o regard for the 3 youngest hard working players on the team?
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8/3/2006  6:52 PM
Jamal Crawford was very hard-working and had nothing but good things to say about Brown. Funny how Crawford got better last year too.
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8/3/2006  7:00 PM
Posted by oohah:

He has been a great coach in his time. He also cheated his way to an NCAA championship, and he jumped on a ready-made team to win his NBA championship. These are not excuses, they are irrefutable facts.

Dude, "irrefutable facts?" Are you kidding? Why cuz you say so? This is such crap.
NO ONE predicted that Detriot would win the ring the year that they did. No one.
== ===
Not even after they won the east and faced the Lakers in the playoffs. Everyone thought the Lakers would destroy them
in the championships. THAT was a championship built team, it had: Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton on it. And they
destroyed every other team in the playoffs. They were a lock to win it all.
Yet a severely out-matched team, Detriot, beat them. AND EVEN AFTER they won, lots of people thought it was a fluke.

It was only after making it out of the ECFs the next year did people realize what a great team they had become.
So don't give me this "ready-made team" crap.

Amazing how you change history to prove your point. You go back and remember that point in time before the
championship finals and tell me honestly that you thought Detriot was going to win that series. No freakin' way.
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8/3/2006  7:04 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by oohah:

He has been a great coach in his time. He also cheated his way to an NCAA championship, and he jumped on a ready-made team to win his NBA championship. These are not excuses, they are irrefutable facts.

Dude, "irrefutable facts?" Are you kidding? Why cuz you say so? This is such crap.
NO ONE predicted that Detriot would win the ring the year that they did. No one.
== ===
Not even after they won the east and faced the Lakers in the playoffs. Everyone thought the Lakers would destroy them
in the championships. THAT was a championship built team, it had: Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton on it. And they
destroyed every other team in the playoffs. They were a lock to win it all.
Yet a severely out-matched team, Detriot, beat them. AND EVEN AFTER they won, lots of people thought it was a fluke.

It was only after making it out of the ECFs the next year did people realize what a great team they had become.
So don't give me this "ready-made team" crap.

Amazing how you change history to prove your point. You go back and remember that point in time before the
championship finals and tell me honestly that you thought Detriot was going to win that series. No freakin' way.

I remember back on the MSG boards, we had a thread and something like 40 or 50 people chimed in. Two people picked Detroit to win. Those two people were Bonn and myself, I believe. .. and that was only after the Rasheed Wallace trade.

Anyone who makes a claim, like the one above, that Detroit was an obvious ready-made championship team is definitely doing more than a little bit of a stretch.
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8/3/2006  8:07 PM
You always say good things about you team no matter who it is. Maybe Larry could have learned something from Crawford. Crawford sucked it up and said only good things about Brown. Whether he meant it or not is another thing. Same goes for players in Philly and Detroit. We will never know the truth about how they truely felt about LB.

[Edited by - Vmart on 08-03-2006 8:09 PM]
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8/3/2006  9:25 PM
Dude, "irrefutable facts?" Are you kidding? Why cuz you say so? This is such crap.
NO ONE predicted that Detriot would win the ring the year that they did. No one.
== ===
Not even after they won the east and faced the Lakers in the playoffs. Everyone thought the Lakers would destroy them
in the championships. THAT was a championship built team, it had: Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton on it. And they
destroyed every other team in the playoffs. They were a lock to win it all.
Yet a severely out-matched team, Detriot, beat them. AND EVEN AFTER they won, lots of people thought it was a fluke.

It was only after making it out of the ECFs the next year did people realize what a great team they had become.
So don't give me this "ready-made team" crap.

Amazing how you change history to prove your point. You go back and remember that point in time before the
championship finals and tell me honestly that you thought Detriot was going to win that series. No freakin' way.

Allright Panos,

Question: Why did Dumars fire coach of the year Rick Carlisle and hire LB?

Answer: because Dumars believed the team to be championship ready and he felt Brown was the right coach to take them to that level. They had been to the conference finals the 2 years before.

A team that goes to the eastern conference finals 2 years in a row before LB is ready-made for him no matter what you may think.

Now let me hit you with another irrefutable fact: Detroit was not playing at a championship level under LB until they picked up Rasheed Wallace. No need to imagine facts here, just go look at the game logs.

But don't let reality cloud your conclusions!

So please tell me where I changed history, if you can.

You were right about one thing: Nobody thought Detroit would beat the Lakers. Including me. Then again nobody thought the mailman would get hurt and Kobe/Shaq would fall apart going into the finals.

Nevertheless, LB did a very good job in that series, as did the entire Detroit team.

Since you are unsuccessfully attempting to refute unrefutable facts, why don't you refute that he was a cheat at Kansas when he won the NCAA's?

I'm waiting, I've got all night.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 08-03-2006 9:34 PM]
Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
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8/3/2006  9:28 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by oohah:

He has been a great coach in his time. He also cheated his way to an NCAA championship, and he jumped on a ready-made team to win his NBA championship. These are not excuses, they are irrefutable facts.

Dude, "irrefutable facts?" Are you kidding? Why cuz you say so? This is such crap.
NO ONE predicted that Detriot would win the ring the year that they did. No one.
== ===
Not even after they won the east and faced the Lakers in the playoffs. Everyone thought the Lakers would destroy them
in the championships. THAT was a championship built team, it had: Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton on it. And they
destroyed every other team in the playoffs. They were a lock to win it all.
Yet a severely out-matched team, Detriot, beat them. AND EVEN AFTER they won, lots of people thought it was a fluke.

It was only after making it out of the ECFs the next year did people realize what a great team they had become.
So don't give me this "ready-made team" crap.

Amazing how you change history to prove your point. You go back and remember that point in time before the
championship finals and tell me honestly that you thought Detriot was going to win that series. No freakin' way.

I remember back on the MSG boards, we had a thread and something like 40 or 50 people chimed in. Two people picked Detroit to win. Those two people were Bonn and myself, I believe. .. and that was only after the Rasheed Wallace trade.

Anyone who makes a claim, like the one above, that Detroit was an obvious ready-made championship team is definitely doing more than a little bit of a stretch.


I'll ask you the same question I did Panos, if a team that goes to the Eastern Conference Finals twice is not ready made, then what is? Do you have to get to the finals first to be ready-made?

And why did Dumars cut loose Coach of the year Carlisle and pick up LB if he did not think the team was ready to contend for a championship?

By the way, Detroit was the sexy pick to come out of the East by lots and lots of analysts after they picked up Rasheed Wallace and went on a tear.


So in conclusion, it is not a stretch but fact. Just ask Joe Dumars.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 08-03-2006 9:32 PM]
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8/3/2006  9:39 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Panos:
Posted by oohah:

He has been a great coach in his time. He also cheated his way to an NCAA championship, and he jumped on a ready-made team to win his NBA championship. These are not excuses, they are irrefutable facts.

Dude, "irrefutable facts?" Are you kidding? Why cuz you say so? This is such crap.
NO ONE predicted that Detriot would win the ring the year that they did. No one.
== ===
Not even after they won the east and faced the Lakers in the playoffs. Everyone thought the Lakers would destroy them
in the championships. THAT was a championship built team, it had: Shaq, Kobe, Malone, and Payton on it. And they
destroyed every other team in the playoffs. They were a lock to win it all.
Yet a severely out-matched team, Detriot, beat them. AND EVEN AFTER they won, lots of people thought it was a fluke.

It was only after making it out of the ECFs the next year did people realize what a great team they had become.
So don't give me this "ready-made team" crap.

Amazing how you change history to prove your point. You go back and remember that point in time before the
championship finals and tell me honestly that you thought Detriot was going to win that series. No freakin' way.

I remember back on the MSG boards, we had a thread and something like 40 or 50 people chimed in. Two people picked Detroit to win. Those two people were Bonn and myself, I believe. .. and that was only after the Rasheed Wallace trade.

Anyone who makes a claim, like the one above, that Detroit was an obvious ready-made championship team is definitely doing more than a little bit of a stretch.


I'll ask you the same question I did Panos, if a team that goes to the Eastern Conference Finals twice is not ready made, then what is? Do you have to get to the finals first to be ready-made?

And why did Dumars cut loose Coach of the year Carlisle and pick up LB if he did not think the team was ready to contend for a championship?

By the way, Detroit was the sexy pick to come out of the East by lots and lots of analysts after they picked up Rasheed Wallace and went on a tear.


So in conclusion, it is not a stretch but fact. Just ask Joe Dumars.

oohah

How does your logic make any sense? It's a ready-made title contender, but they need a new coach and to trade for a dominant power forward in order to go to the title? You hire Larry Brown because you want to get to the next level; not because you're already there. Yes, you're really really reaching.
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8/3/2006  9:47 PM
How does your logic make any sense? It's a ready-made title contender, but they need a new coach and to trade for a dominant power forward in order to go to the title? You hire Larry Brown because you want to get to the next level; not because you're already there. Yes, you're really really reaching.

First let me correct my facts: they reached the second round in 2002, and the conference finals in 2003.

Now where is the reach again? Detroit was one of the last 4 teams playing in the NBA. When you go to the conference finals, that means you are a title contender. You're right there.

Dumars picked up LB to make the Piston that certain amount better in order to reach the finals. Rasheed Wallace was not even on the radar then.

If you pick up a coach hoping he is the difference between the ECF and making the finals, how can you not say the team is ready made? They added only one significant piece!!!!! (R. Wallace who was the actual key in my opinion). One piece!!!

It's not like they were the Knicks hoping to make the playoffs. They had championship aspirations LB or no! Trust me, I got people in Detroit!

That is ready made Bro, when you only have to add one piece! They only added one peice, and that team won the finals! One Piece!

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 08-03-2006 9:59 PM]
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8/3/2006  10:01 PM
I can't believe this thread. Its like the same arguments from May and June all over again.

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8/3/2006  10:12 PM
If you're saying they were a good team, already, fine. I'm just not sure why that's a knock on LB, because LB did get the job done, didn't he?

If your knock is that he didn't build the team from scratch to a title, okay, fine, but how many coaches can say they have done that? It's not a majority.

The major factor I see is the Pistons were good, and were even better under LB. Those facts are undisputed.
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8/3/2006  10:18 PM
i still say the Knicks need to fire Don Chaney & hire someone reputable & has some clout in this league... someone like a Lenny Wilkens.
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Posted by TMS:

i still say the Knicks need to fire Don Chaney & hire someone reputable & has some clout in this league... someone like a Lenny Wilkens.

Whoa. I just had a flashback.
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Posted by Solace:

If you're saying they were a good team, already, fine. I'm just not sure why that's a knock on LB, because LB did get the job done, didn't he?

If your knock is that he didn't build the team from scratch to a title, okay, fine, but how many coaches can say they have done that? It's not a majority.

The major factor I see is the Pistons were good, and were even better under LB. Those facts are undisputed.

I am not knocking him on Detroit, though I am somewhat with Kansas.

He has been quite good in his career, though I would say he is in the third tier of the top basketball coaches in either the pros or College in the past thirty or so years.

Is that bad? No.

Back to what this thread was about, I would be pretty unhappy if he decided it was my kid he wanted to sh!t on whatever his reason might be. I do understand sterness from a coach but there are limits.

oohah

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Posted by martin:
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The geezer is now nothing buy a complainer and a snake. He is not loyal and he has no respect for his players on any level. He probably was always like that but it came out more after he left Philly.

doesn't this directly contradict what the players in Philly and Detroit were saying about Brown?

Brown & team had a bad year in NY and things didn't mesh. Did Brown agitate things? Sure. Did some of the players? Sure.

Could we not say the same things about some of the players on the NY Knicks as you have with Brown?

Plenty of Detroit players were happy he was gone. Don't you remember the lovefest they had with Flip Saunders? They were the toast of the league up until Lebron and injuries dismantled them in the playoffs. They never had any injuries when Brown was there (in fact in 04 they benefitted from being the ONLY team not to be injured).

Iverson and Brown clashed ALL the time. Brown literally had Iverson traded to Detroit. They didn't "make it work" so much as co-exist. When Brown left, Iverson got all teary eyed. But let's not forget the infamous battles they had, like the "Practice?!?! We're talking about PRactice!" line Iverson had.

Indiana players quit on Brown in his final season there. The Olympic team hated him, David Stern refused to address Brown at the Olympics - and many of the current World Championship articles have made fun of Brown's coaching approach in 04.

Can we please stop acting like everyone loves Brown? He has share of allies, and plenty of enemies.
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8/3/2006  11:42 PM

Who is this Larry Brown fella?
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8/4/2006  12:04 AM
I agree that Larry lost his grip lately.
Why the hell he agreed to couch the Knicks? Was he short of money?
OK. He will get 2 mills less with other team - does it meter for him financially.
Accepting the Knicks offer was the biggest mistake of his couching life.

Do you really think that any top tier couch like Pop, Jackson, Johnson will agree to deal with this bunch of idiots and sick egos in NY?
You just are kidding me.
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8/4/2006  12:16 AM
hey, you know what's weird - Coach K is using Lebron, Wade and Melo in international competition and the US is blowing out Puerto Rico. I bet Brown wishes he had those players in 2004. oh, wait, he did.
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Posted by crzymdups:

hey, you know what's weird - Coach K is using Lebron, Wade and Melo in international competition and the US is blowing out Puerto Rico. I bet Brown wishes he had those players in 2004. oh, wait, he did.

Yeah{sarcasm}. And yet another team that Stephon left and it has improved in his abscence{no sarcasm}.
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