You know its funny how people forget that most of the guys who have WON have had some help along the way. VERY few players can win by themselves. Oscar didn't win until he got Kareem. Isiah didn't win until his team had a TON of talent around him. Same with almost everyone except for Jordan who was so good that he need just a little help and was able to win. Plus the fact that there weren't any other great teams during his era. The main point being that Steph plays the game well but can't win all by himself. Aside from a few instances where he had some good co-stars, he's NEVER been on a great TEAM. So are we judging him on a harder scale than everyone else who DID need a great team to win?

I think he'll be just fine as this team continues to develop and we see the young talent get to a point where they can hold their own weight and play on a high level as a team. Winning will help to change a lot of attitudes about him.

Posted by nixluva:

You know its funny how people forget that most of the guys who have WON have had some help along the way. VERY few players can win by themselves. Oscar didn't win until he got Kareem. Isiah didn't win until his team had a TON of talent around him. Same with almost everyone except for Jordan who was so good that he need just a little help and was able to win. Plus the fact that there weren't any other great teams during his era. The main point being that Steph plays the game well but can't win all by himself. Aside from a few instances where he had some good co-stars, he's NEVER been on a great TEAM. So are we judging him on a harder scale than everyone else who DID need a great team to win?

I think he'll be just fine as this team continues to develop and we see the young talent get to a point where they can hold their own weight and play on a high level as a team. Winning will help to change a lot of attitudes about him.

Two all-stars on the same team should be enough to win more than 23 games. But this time of course it was the coach.........You are 100% correct though winning will change a lot of attitudes about him. That's the whole point isn't it. Every one of his detractors is waiting for him to prove them wrong. Instead we see his team's collapse at some point during the season and although I'm not one amongst the group that blames him for this because his teammates are lazy asses, but I can't blindly support a guy that is constantly in the middle of all the negativity.

I think most people support what he does off the court. But most fans are concerned with what he does for the Knicks. We normally don't pick our favorite players based on how much money they donate

I remember when we were on that 6 game winning streak and Marbury was playing great and nobody got on his back during that time. Not even with the towells. If Marbury just learns to play hard all the time on both ends, which we all know he plays hard all the time on offense, then the fans will love him. If he keeps his yap shut during the losing, fans will love him. If he talks and then backs it up, you get the picture. I remember when he made those "I'm the best PG comments." Most of the people here thought it was weird and arrogant, but we seemed to not really care b/c it was when we were 3 games above .500. I think we were 16-13 at that point. It all went downhill after that, that season, and then the next. As a result, the comments become magnified.

All we need is for more of our players to go on Regis and Kelly and we will get all the calls.

I don't agree with the boos and singling him out as the reason we lose. But if he can't figure out why many fans boo him it's probably why he doesn't change anything.

It's simple stop blaming your teammates. Stop being a part of the negativity and instead lift your teammates up. Help get the most out of your teammates and you will be applauded despite the record. Play hard on both ends. Play harder when things go wrong. Involve your teammates more when things go wrong. Stop complaining. Stop whining. Stop talking.Stop telling us what things will be like when.....Just do it. The boos will magically go away. But they don't go away because it's always that his teammates are good enough. It's always everyone else's fault.

Just like fans don't want to hear Q shooting 35 percent from the field ever complain about his coach or teammates. Fans don't want to hear players that win 35 games a year complain about things either.

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#1-re-read the opening post. The poster clearly made a correlation with how much they wished his off court work would translate to wins on the court. So the relationship was set in the opening post

#2-Most of the posts(if not all) that mention charity work talk about how much they respect it. At least that's what I read. But that's where it ends. Most knick fans like to see their players be good people, but they are more concerned with the on court stuff. That's reality.

The point LB was trying to make to Marbury is simple. He understood that was Marbury's game. They talked about turning him into a 2 guard. That was the plan. But in the meantime Marbs was the best PG we had and in LB's system a PG plays a certain way. So in the short term play this way for the good of the team. Subjugate your game now, and in the future we can win with you having more freedom as our team evolves. It will also help his game immensely because he will learn a different aspect to the game instead of being one dimensional. Marbs couldn't do that. LB couldn't accept that he couldn't make the quick transition and voila you have to guys at odds instead of doing what it takes to win.

The bottom line is Marbs started figuring out what he was being asked to do and how he fit into the system. During the streak he was playing great. LB complimented him as saying he was playing the best ball he has ever seen him play. He gave him more freedom. Then unfortunately Marbs our leader gets hurt. Our team begins to quit as he sits on the DL. They show up for 1 or 2 games while Marbs is gone. The negativity streams back. Marbs is sucked into it. Marbs returns. We win, but Marbs doesn't fit back into the system immediately. We continue to lose not because of Marbs or because LB is holding him back but because Marbs is re-adjusting to his role, the rest of the team has developed a weeks worth of not trying bad habits. Marbs gets frustrated. We win 2 games in a row but Marb's numbers are way down. Marbs is frustrated more. Marbs begins to vent his frustration. LB bristles at his venting after 2 wins and begins to assume he is more into himself than the team that just won 2 games. The rest is 2 men going after each other instead of thinking about the good of the team. LB blasts him fairly and unfairly for the rest of the year. Marbs complains about a system that he excelled in for 6 games but is no longer willing to see if it will work again. Team sees leader not willing to follow coach, team implodes and completely quits on us. Isiah backs the players and says it's okay not to play hard if you don't like the coach.

this is all speculation on my part but probably more accurate than LB saying he hated the way Steph was playing during the 6 game win streak nad decided he wanted to hold him back again.

You talk about chartity paying this ass 16 million a year, he should be giving back to the community he is stealing his money he might as well give it back.....

He is a nice guy a heart, just a selfish player that is out for himself