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bigbeast
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8/1/2006  3:00 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

you've gone on record repeatedly bemoaning the lack of basketball IQ on this squad & yet you want to go out & get a guy like Darius Miles, a junior version of Tim Thomas with a worse attitude... you seem to contradict yourself alot BRIGGS... i'm not saying that to offend you, but you confuse me with your back & forth logic sometimes.

I totally agree with you. Miles is a better talent than Jeffries but people are scared off because of character issues.

If Jeffries falls through, I would focus my attention on Miles. But trading Malik Rose for him doesn't clear up the glut on the wings. I'd rather trade Francis/Qrich for Miles. Not sure Portland would on those offers however.
What information do you have on Darius Miles IQ? Miles needs to be put in a scenario where he gets the most out of his God-given talent level. Tim Thomas did OK when he went to a team that configured to his his talent. Swapping out of Malik Rose who offers nothing for Darius Miles is a no-brainer. I don't need to justify a trade like that, I would do it and ask questions later. If you put a basketball player in an environment where he can thrive, where there is some character[and I believe we have some] with the type of talent that Darius has, good things should happen.

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8/1/2006  3:01 PM
Keep reading Jeffries wants to play for knicks which is cool, and a few reasons given including the idiotic "he knows Isiah since he was 12" bull$hit!

We need Malik for his maturity and lockerroom balance. No doubt De Dumb Darius, a man so stupid he could not get onto Mike Jarvis's St. Johns teams is a better talent, but chemistry is important. We lack leadership and Malik gives us some presence there.

This team is getting younger and our veterans are not exactly statesmen of the sporting world! Marbury and Francis are the natural leaders of this team at this point. Wow! My hope is also that Qich is a part of the team as he seems to be one of the few that get it also. I just wonder if he is exiled as he is not down with Starbury's act.

On paper we got talent. On paper, we are (great term by the way!) Brain DEAD and clown like. Balkman fits in well witht his crowd.
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8/1/2006  3:11 PM
I have to go on record and say that I agree that rose for miles is a no brainer.

I just want to give marbury a chance to run with a team of hungry players that want to get up and down the court and score.

Miles is the kind of guy that realizes that if he hustles just a little bith within a system that puts players in ball hawking positions (like balkman in the SL) he can get his hands on the bull and start the show.

I think QRich is emerging as the leader of the team (he has curry roots from chitown) and if he and marbury can defer their quests for being the leader of the team to isiah, I see them working extremely well together.

This relationship will directly benefit Curry, channing and lee.

Miles is very very good player and plays in Portland where they used to let the players play and benefit from the wins, now they are rebuilding with character and ignoring wins, we saw where that got us last year and we're back to a team of isiah's.

Think Detroit Pistons. That team on paper looks like a bunch of headcases and average players.

But they had a system on offense and defense and each player knew his role.

On the knicks the role of the SF IMHO is to hit the open jumper, play help defense in the post and get out on the break.

DMiles is the perfect compliment to QRich.

Nobody can even come up with a role for MRose that doesn't involve him wearing a suit.

JRose, MRose and MoT are wearing suits.
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8/1/2006  3:32 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

you've gone on record repeatedly bemoaning the lack of basketball IQ on this squad & yet you want to go out & get a guy like Darius Miles, a junior version of Tim Thomas with a worse attitude... you seem to contradict yourself alot BRIGGS... i'm not saying that to offend you, but you confuse me with your back & forth logic sometimes.



What information do you have on Darius Miles IQ? Miles needs to be put in a scenario where he gets the most out of his God-given talent level. Tim Thomas did OK when he went to a team that configured to his his talent. Swapping out of Malik Rose who offers nothing for Darius Miles is a no-brainer. I don't need to justify a trade like that, I would do it and ask questions later. If you put a basketball player in an environment where he can thrive, where there is some character[and I believe we have some] with the type of talent that Darius has, good things should happen.


i've watched the guy play in several NBA games during his career & seen how he conducts himself on the floor & off... do i need to have an official test result of his IQ to be able to make that observation? the LAST thing this team needs is another player w/a reputation for underachievement to add to this mix when the direction this team needs to go in is looking for guys who'll bust their butts on the court every minute they're on the floor... we need blue collar players to show these young kids how to play the game the right way... not another spoiled overly hyped primadonna baby like Miles... he's alot more talented than Malik, no one's questioning that fact, but talent isn't the only thing it takes to make a good basketball player... u also have to have the right mindset... in my observation, Miles clearly doesn't have it & i don't think he ever will... he's going to be yet another Tim Thomas clone, a highly talented player who thinks he's better than he really is & wastes his talent by being content to collect his big paycheck every year instead of working on his game to make himself better... for all of Malik's limitations, I don't trade him away to bring in a guy like Miles, no way... Miles is going on his 7th year in the NBA this year & he's never once averaged more than 14 ppg, yet you think he's going to come in here on this team full of scorers & all of a sudden start putting up 18-20 a night... get real dude... that's not gonna happen.

aside from all that, there's the issue of all that extra salary you'd be taking on as well... haven't you also gone on record several times bemoaning Isiah's penchant for fiscal irresponsibility in taking on the bad contracts of overly hyped underachievers the past several years? yet you want to take on Darius Miles & the extra 2 years & $36 mil on his contract including luxury taxes in your proposed deal. "Is this more financial overkill?" isn't that the name of a thread you started the other day?

you're right, you don't have to justify your reasoning behind a trade idea, but flip flopping back & forth on your views doesn't help your credibility either.

[Edited by - TMS on 08-01-2006 3:44 PM]
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8/1/2006  3:38 PM
TMS, I disagree.

When it's for a player BRIGGS likes, it's not alot of money, when it's for a player he dislikes, they are over paid and it's fiscal irresponsibility.

What's so confusing about that?
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8/1/2006  3:55 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

you've gone on record repeatedly bemoaning the lack of basketball IQ on this squad & yet you want to go out & get a guy like Darius Miles, a junior version of Tim Thomas with a worse attitude... you seem to contradict yourself alot BRIGGS... i'm not saying that to offend you, but you confuse me with your back & forth logic sometimes.





What information do you have on Darius Miles IQ? Miles needs to be put in a scenario where he gets the most out of his God-given talent level. Tim Thomas did OK when he went to a team that configured to his his talent. Swapping out of Malik Rose who offers nothing for Darius Miles is a no-brainer.I don't need to justify a trade like that, I would do it and ask questions later. If you put a basketball player in an environment where he can thrive, where there is some character[and I believe we have some] with the type of talent that Darius has, good things should happen.

I think Isiah and Dolan made the same deductions you've made about Malik when they traded Penny & Trevor for Francis.
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8/1/2006  3:59 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

you've gone on record repeatedly bemoaning the lack of basketball IQ on this squad & yet you want to go out & get a guy like Darius Miles, a junior version of Tim Thomas with a worse attitude... you seem to contradict yourself alot BRIGGS... i'm not saying that to offend you, but you confuse me with your back & forth logic sometimes.



What information do you have on Darius Miles IQ? Miles needs to be put in a scenario where he gets the most out of his God-given talent level. Tim Thomas did OK when he went to a team that configured to his his talent. Swapping out of Malik Rose who offers nothing for Darius Miles is a no-brainer. I don't need to justify a trade like that, I would do it and ask questions later. If you put a basketball player in an environment where he can thrive, where there is some character[and I believe we have some] with the type of talent that Darius has, good things should happen.


i've watched the guy play in several NBA games during his career & seen how he conducts himself on the floor & off... do i need to have an official test result of his IQ to be able to make that observation? the LAST thing this team needs is another player w/a reputation for underachievement to add to this mix when the direction this team needs to go in is looking for guys who'll bust their butts on the court every minute they're on the floor... we need blue collar players to show these young kids how to play the game the right way... not another spoiled overly hyped primadonna baby like Miles... he's alot more talented than Malik, no one's questioning that fact, but talent isn't the only thing it takes to make a good basketball player... u also have to have the right mindset... in my observation, Miles clearly doesn't have it & i don't think he ever will... he's going to be yet another Tim Thomas clone, a highly talented player who thinks he's better than he really is & wastes his talent by being content to collect his big paycheck every year instead of working on his game to make himself better... for all of Malik's limitations, I don't trade him away to bring in a guy like Miles, no way... Miles is going on his 7th year in the NBA this year & he's never once averaged more than 14 ppg, yet you think he's going to come in here on this team full of scorers & all of a sudden start putting up 18-20 a night... get real dude... that's not gonna happen.

aside from all that, there's the issue of all that extra salary you'd be taking on as well... haven't you also gone on record several times bemoaning Isiah's penchant for fiscal irresponsibility in taking on the bad contracts of overly hyped underachievers the past several years? yet you want to take on Darius Miles & the extra 2 years & $36 mil on his contract including luxury taxes in your proposed deal. "Is this more financial overkill?" isn't that the name of a thread you started the other day?

you're right, you don't have to justify your reasoning behind a trade idea, but flip flopping back & forth on your views doesn't help your credibility either.

[Edited by - TMS on 08-01-2006 3:44 PM]


here I'll do the deal and math for you.

we owe Malik Rose 13.7mm$
Portland owes Darius Miles 34mm
We ask for 3mm and 2 2nd round picks $ back to offset the contracts.
yes we take on 17mm [13mm less than jared jefferies who actually cost the knicks double because we arent swapping just adding, so really you are talking about much more for jefferies] on top of it you get a player who should thrive and should be worth the $$$ rather than Malik Rose who brings nothing to the table. Miles is much more proven of a player than Jefferies and hes shown franchise type talent at times. Hes nearly 6-10 with long arms who has been able to rebound block shots make steals score big etc... he was set to go off right before he was hurt. This is a guy who had a 50-10 game who has had numerous 20 point games double -digit rebounds blocks steals he just needs the right environment.

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8/1/2006  4:05 PM
Defensivly Dmiles has the potential to be a beast. But he isn't worth the risk. Id rather give Balkman & Lee the mins and see where there potential is at. Miles hasn't played 70games or more in 5yrs has only played more than 60games twice in 5yrs. Even with the character he has. The bottom line is does he get it done on the court? And the answer is no.

As for Jefferies. I don't really have an opinion on him. If we do sign him I hope he works out. From what people are saying, he is really skilled. So with Isiahs system maybe it will be a very good fit. I wish he was a stronger rebounder though.
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8/1/2006  4:13 PM
I agree with you newyork. Miles has too many issues and is very much not worth the risk, especially with the pea sized brain on top of his shoulders. We'd be better off with somebody who has his head in the game to go along with good health. Jefferies might not have as high a ceiling, but he fits a bill for what we need.

As for his rebounding, I agree it leaves something to be desired. That's why I think, for now, it's better to start off with Q in the starting lineup so that you can have 2 real good rebounders up front to start the game.
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8/1/2006  4:30 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

we owe Malik Rose 13.7mm$
Portland owes Darius Miles 34mm
We ask for 3mm and 2 2nd round picks $ back to offset the contracts.
yes we take on 17mm [13mm less than jared jefferies who actually cost the knicks double because we arent swapping just adding, so really you are talking about much more for jefferies] on top of it you get a player who should thrive and should be worth the $$$ rather than Malik Rose who brings nothing to the table. Miles is much more proven of a player than Jefferies and hes shown franchise type talent at times. Hes nearly 6-10 with long arms who has been able to rebound block shots make steals score big etc... he was set to go off right before he was hurt. This is a guy who had a 50-10 game who has had numerous 20 point games double -digit rebounds blocks steals he just needs the right environment.

& you think NY is the right environment for a guy like Miles who's never lived up to his expectations anywhere else? a team that's being led by Stephon Marbury of all people? we've already had Tim Thomas here & i have zero interest in seeing a younger clone in a Knicks' uniform... Jared Jefferies may not have as high an upside, but 1 thing I won't question is his character, effort or willingness to play team ball... he's well worth the MLE in my eyes.

if we could get rid of Marbury or Francis & bring Miles in, i'd have much less of a problem w/the idea of bringing in Miles... otherwise, i steer way clear of this guy.
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Every rec league in America has a team loaded with athletes, that can dominate every other player in the league in a game of one on one. But when it comes to game time they can't win. We are that team right now. Immense talent with no team. We should not signing guys because they make us better. We need to sign guys that give us a foundation that we can build upon. A foundation that will then put us in position to grab high priced free-agents, lure superstars, draft top players or take risks. Until then you are just throwing unmotivated guys on top of unmotivated guys and watching them get sucked into the abyss.

TT was horrible for us because we do not have an atmosphere right now where unmotivated players will become motivated. They instead rule the roost. They complain and make excuses and we validate their excuses and complaints instead of asking them to perform. Miles is not the peice for us. Patience, build a foundation and then we can get guys like this. The atmosphere here is embarrassing why add on top of that?
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8/1/2006  5:10 PM
I think if you take Briggys view, and I understand its not a Malik vs. miles thing, its a Dairy-ass vs. Jeffries thing, then the deductive reasoning is Dairy-ass is a better value but a higher risk.

I think LONG TERM, we not sign Jeffries. And stay the hell away from Dairy-ass.

Even though he a man now too! Last summer he got Married and proclaimed that he more mature and a man.

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8/1/2006  5:16 PM
To me it just seems like we are always trying to build on top of a mediocre team hoping that the next piece will be the peice that reaches it's potential and takes us to the promised land.

I just wish we would focus on figuring out who our centerpieces are and building a team around them. If that is Curry get a guy that can feed him the ball. Get some defense in the backcourt and a SF that does not need the ball. Get some shooters. Instead I feel like we are going to build around Marbury and Francis hope to win as many games as we can, make the playoffs and then search for a savior again. I'm not saying that's happening right now but I just get that feeling that is what the future moves have in store for us.

Our only focus should be to find players that compliment Frye and Curry, or abandon that plan entirely and find a new player to build around. But it should not be about acquiring players that win us more games this year.
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8/1/2006  6:07 PM
a guy like Jefferies is a player that complements the other focal point players we already have... we don't need Jefferies to be a star, only to fill his role & do the little things that every winning team needs to be successful & play supportive roles to guys like Eddy Curry, Jamal Crawford & Stephon Marbury... like Bip says, we need to be targeting players who fit a system & build a team with complementary parts... we can't keep trying to mush together a band of talented guys who don't know how to play within a team concept & hope they can gel somehow... we have to establish a foundation first & then build around that foundation... for the first time in a while i'm actually seeing some roster moves with a plan in mind by Isiah... grabbing a guy like Miles would be more of the same disjointed personnel decisions that resulted in the past 3 seasons of embarassment.
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