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Panos
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7/21/2006  7:08 PM
Posted by tapseer:

JB is not worth 14 mil. Period. Not 7 mil in salary, then another 7 mil in lux tax. More power to JB and the Spurs, but I'm not spending 14 mil on a third string center. Most of you guys should have seen that.

To you and everyone else that says that JB is/was a third string center:
Did you WATCH any games last year?! JB was our primary backup!
Just because JJ makes lots more money, didn't make that fat ****ing slob
the second string!!!

Isiah should be fired for three reasons:
1. JJ
2. the Curry deal
3. Steve Francis

Three terrible moves in a short stint.
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Panos
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7/21/2006  7:11 PM
Posted by tapseer:

JB is not worth 14 mil. Period. Not 7 mil in salary, then another 7 mil in lux tax. More power to JB and the Spurs, but I'm not spending 14 mil on a third string center. Most of you guys should have seen that.

Also, you can look at it as 7 million in luxury tax for JB.
I prefer to look at it as JB would not be causing the luxury tax,
but all the OTHER obscene deals that we should never have brought in
kicking in even more additional luxury tax. Its MoT/Malik/Francis/JRose/etc/etc
that are generating luxury tax, not a $2M reasonable salary for JB.
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7/21/2006  7:55 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by holfresh:


I just wonder if this guy saw any Knick games...Jackie was a luxury to have on this team..He was the 12th guy off the bench and it was nice having him for nothing...It was great that JB was able to parley his game for the cash that SA offered him....But to think that not signing JB will haunt the Knicks for years to come is just insane....Kudos for JB and his money but the Knicks will miss nothing by not having him on the roster...



SA is SO much smarter than the Knicks as an organization that its not even close. Now I understand why Elson wasnt matched, they have to many big men. But just what the F are we thinking giving away Jackie Butler for a smallish NBA contract? Its OK to take Mo taylor off the houston Rocket IR for 10mm per but
we cant pay JB 1/5 of that? We couldve bought out Mo taylor and Malik and kept JB with the difference.

Please dont lecture people on what type of mistake SA made or what JB is, you should get a clue from the actions SA takes--they are RARELY wrong.



We are a 23 win team who is having problems assembling the first 5 players who will get major mins next year and all you guys can rant about is losing the 13th man on the roster...Amazing...The guy played as though his feet was nailed to the court..He has good rebounding numbers because he never moved from the spot once he gets planted there under the basket....Come on, you guys are blowing this way out of proportion...
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7/21/2006  8:05 PM
As I said before, the end result of Jackie being San Antonio is becuase Isiah compounds every mistake he makes. Signing Jerome James was a mistake, not resigning Jackie Butler becuase you signed Jerome to a huge contract last year is a big mistake. Jackie is being paid peanuts by the Spurs and the Knicks couldn't match? They couldn't match the offer for a player that rebounds the ball, shoots a high % and runs the floor extremely well and would make significantly less than Jerome James? Atleast you'd get your money worth for the guy, James can't even find the floor.

I don't get it, what else do you want from a young 6'10 center. Not resigning Jackie isn't going to send the Knicks into a tailspin(becuase they're already in one) but it just goes to show you how fiscally irresponsible Isiah Thomas has been if he can't match a 3yr/7mill offer from the San Antonio Spurs, the best run organization in the NBA mind you, it's truly sad.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-21-2006 8:06 PM]
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7/21/2006  8:13 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by holfresh:


I just wonder if this guy saw any Knick games...Jackie was a luxury to have on this team..He was the 12th guy off the bench and it was nice having him for nothing...It was great that JB was able to parley his game for the cash that SA offered him....But to think that not signing JB will haunt the Knicks for years to come is just insane....Kudos for JB and his money but the Knicks will miss nothing by not having him on the roster...



SA is SO much smarter than the Knicks as an organization that its not even close. Now I understand why Elson wasnt matched, they have to many big men. But just what the F are we thinking giving away Jackie Butler for a smallish NBA contract? Its OK to take Mo taylor off the houston Rocket IR for 10mm per but
we cant pay JB 1/5 of that? We couldve bought out Mo taylor and Malik and kept JB with the difference.

Please dont lecture people on what type of mistake SA made or what JB is, you should get a clue from the actions SA takes--they are RARELY wrong.



We are a 23 win team who is having problems assembling the first 5 players who will get major mins next year and all you guys can rant about is losing the 13th man on the roster...Amazing...The guy played as though his feet was nailed to the court..He has good rebounding numbers because he never moved from the spot once he gets planted there under the basket....Come on, you guys are blowing this way out of proportion...




So the 23 win Knicks know what they are doing and the 60 win spurs do not. Son, even if you didnt know diddly about basketball--there is a saying--follow the smart money.
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7/21/2006  8:31 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by holfresh:


I just wonder if this guy saw any Knick games...Jackie was a luxury to have on this team..He was the 12th guy off the bench and it was nice having him for nothing...It was great that JB was able to parley his game for the cash that SA offered him....But to think that not signing JB will haunt the Knicks for years to come is just insane....Kudos for JB and his money but the Knicks will miss nothing by not having him on the roster...



SA is SO much smarter than the Knicks as an organization that its not even close. Now I understand why Elson wasnt matched, they have to many big men. But just what the F are we thinking giving away Jackie Butler for a smallish NBA contract? Its OK to take Mo taylor off the houston Rocket IR for 10mm per but
we cant pay JB 1/5 of that? We couldve bought out Mo taylor and Malik and kept JB with the difference.

Please dont lecture people on what type of mistake SA made or what JB is, you should get a clue from the actions SA takes--they are RARELY wrong.



We are a 23 win team who is having problems assembling the first 5 players who will get major mins next year and all you guys can rant about is losing the 13th man on the roster...Amazing...The guy played as though his feet was nailed to the court..He has good rebounding numbers because he never moved from the spot once he gets planted there under the basket....Come on, you guys are blowing this way out of proportion...




So the 23 win Knicks know what they are doing and the 60 win spurs do not. Son, even if you didnt know diddly about basketball--there is a saying--follow the smart money.

The Knicks and the Spurs are in totally different situations. Capwise and teamwise. If IT is in the middle of redefining the Knicks team strategy, he needs players that fit his mold. Moreover, if he doesn't have minutes to share with players beyond the top 9, why pay for the number 10 player. 3rd, he is committed to Curry and James long term. I would rather have Butler than James, but like the Stones said, you can't always get what you wa-ant. IT decided he didn't need Butler. If at mid-season it looks like we could use a better 3rd string center, well, then you can lambast him.
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7/21/2006  8:55 PM
Once again, logic eludes the Knicks. It's funny that the same people who say losing JB is no big deal are the same people who were the ones MAKING HIM OUT to be a top-quality center last year. Now the story changed? Why? Because god forbid we admit Isiah's flaws.

JB would be a really nice piece for this team, at a very cheap price. Instead, we have Big Snacks for 4 more years. It is upsetting, but, as usual, we'll try to move past it... I hope this is Isiah's last ridiculous misstep. The only thing that would hold some part in correcting this would be a signing of Jared Jefferies or Qyntel Woods.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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7/21/2006  9:01 PM
Posted by Solace:

Once again, logic eludes the Knicks. It's funny that the same people who say losing JB is no big deal are the same people who were the ones MAKING HIM OUT to be a top-quality center last year. Now the story changed? Why? Because god forbid we admit Isiah's flaws.

LOL, I was saying the same thing to Guns last night at the bar.
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7/21/2006  9:02 PM
The only thing that would hold some part in correcting this would be a signing of Jared Jefferies or Qyntel Woods.
The would be nice but it would only slightly correct the situation. They really should be buying out a few of the awful veterans to have room for Jackie, Qyntel, and even one more player.
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7/21/2006  9:41 PM
Posted by Solace:

Once again, logic eludes the Knicks. It's funny that the same people who say losing JB is no big deal are the same people who were the ones MAKING HIM OUT to be a top-quality center last year. Now the story changed? Why? Because god forbid we admit Isiah's flaws.

JB would be a really nice piece for this team, at a very cheap price. Instead, we have Big Snacks for 4 more years. It is upsetting, but, as usual, we'll try to move past it... I hope this is Isiah's last ridiculous misstep. The only thing that would hold some part in correcting this would be a signing of Jared Jefferies or Qyntel Woods.


Check all my post...Never once did I give props to JB....He really don't have much upside to me because his lack of athletism will limit his growth and ability...Yeah he is a nice piece to have as a 10th player but he will not be a difference maker in this league, although Hollinger thinks he will be a star...We are at the point where we are bashing the GM for not resigning the 10th guy on a 23 win team...I can think of 20 more things that is more critical to the Knicks' success off the top of my head than the resigning of JB...
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7/21/2006  9:51 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by tapseer:

JB is not worth 14 mil. Period. Not 7 mil in salary, then another 7 mil in lux tax. More power to JB and the Spurs, but I'm not spending 14 mil on a third string center. Most of you guys should have seen that.

To you and everyone else that says that JB is/was a third string center:
Did you WATCH any games last year?! JB was our primary backup!
Just because JJ makes lots more money, didn't make that fat ****ing slob
the second string!!!

Isiah should be fired for three reasons:
1. JJ
2. the Curry deal
3. Steve Francis

Three terrible moves in a short stint.

JJ was horrible, yes. Not protecting the pick in the trade for Curry was bad, but getting Curry was a very good move. Next-Town-Brown has Francis' blood on his hands.

Rightly or wrongly Jackie Butler was going to be a third string center this yr under Isiah. Isiah committed alot of money on JJ and is determined to get more bang for Dolans buck out of him.

"Man, who knows with this team." Aguirre.
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7/21/2006  9:53 PM
The Kid needed a chance to play and Isiah gave it to him. The Spurs can give him what the Knicks can't give him and that is time on the floor. What do you guys want the Knicks to do sign him to rot on the bench because you guys fear he will have a breakout type of season for the Spurs. You guys should be happy for the kid to be able to spend more time on the floor.

The Knicks have Curry to develop as much as you guys want to trash on him he also put up a decent fg % and you guys want to trash on him. Isiah did the wise thing here he needs to get JJ playing well to up his value in the market. As for Curry he is the future of the franchise and he will respond with a very good season, last year he showed flashes of dominance even though his conditioning wasn't 100%.

Isiah made a great move for the KNicks and for Jackie be happy for the kid and try and understand what Isiah is trying to do.
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7/21/2006  10:17 PM
it's ironic that top teams can find PT for guys that 'aren't good enough' to get burn here. If JJ comes back like last season and there's no indication he won't we'll really be missing JB's services.
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7/21/2006  10:23 PM
Posted by nykshaknbake:

it's ironic that top teams can find PT for guys that 'aren't good enough' to get burn here. If JJ comes back like last season and there's no indication he won't we'll really be missing JB's services.

Yeah a top team that has a center position as the 5th option on the floor. The Spurs haven't had a great center since Robinson if anyting they are in a similar situation as the KNicks after Ewing. Only difference is the Spurs can get away with a decent center or a slightly below average center. Because all the other positions are very good and solid.
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7/21/2006  11:05 PM
Frye is a better option at center for us than Butler was or will ever be.
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7/21/2006  11:12 PM
We will rue the day the Knicks let Bulter go to the Spurs to become an ALLSTAR

[Edited by - buddapaw on 07-21-2006 11:12 PM]

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7/21/2006  11:34 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:

Once again, logic eludes the Knicks. It's funny that the same people who say losing JB is no big deal are the same people who were the ones MAKING HIM OUT to be a top-quality center last year. Now the story changed? Why? Because god forbid we admit Isiah's flaws.

LOL, I was saying the same thing to Guns last night at the bar.

I find it very ironic. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it.
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7/21/2006  11:56 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Solace:

Once again, logic eludes the Knicks. It's funny that the same people who say losing JB is no big deal are the same people who were the ones MAKING HIM OUT to be a top-quality center last year. Now the story changed? Why? Because god forbid we admit Isiah's flaws.

JB would be a really nice piece for this team, at a very cheap price. Instead, we have Big Snacks for 4 more years. It is upsetting, but, as usual, we'll try to move past it... I hope this is Isiah's last ridiculous misstep. The only thing that would hold some part in correcting this would be a signing of Jared Jefferies or Qyntel Woods.


Check all my post...Never once did I give props to JB....
Yeah, I think the claim is farfetched by Fish and Solace that JB views
changed as soon as he left and the purpose of this change was to benefit Isiah
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Solace:

Once again, logic eludes the Knicks. It's funny that the same people who say losing JB is no big deal are the same people who were the ones MAKING HIM OUT to be a top-quality center last year. Now the story changed? Why? Because god forbid we admit Isiah's flaws.

JB would be a really nice piece for this team, at a very cheap price. Instead, we have Big Snacks for 4 more years. It is upsetting, but, as usual, we'll try to move past it... I hope this is Isiah's last ridiculous misstep. The only thing that would hold some part in correcting this would be a signing of Jared Jefferies or Qyntel Woods.


Check all my post...Never once did I give props to JB....
Yeah, I think the claim is farfetched by Fish and Solace that JB views
changed as soon as he left and the purpose of this change was to benefit Isiah

Don't latch on that. I never specifically said holfresh. You know damn well which people I'm talking about; I'm just going to give the courtesy of not disrespecting people and naming names or picking out old threads. You know who you are.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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7/22/2006  1:06 AM
Paul Miller is a better outside threat than Jackie Butler and has just as much upside and is taller

and I liked Jackie Butler
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