Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by crzymdups:

Frye is going to be an all-star, or near all-star for the rest of his career.

I wouldn't trade Curry for Bynum either and anyone who says they would is pouting.

Why so? Why are you allowed to think that Frye is going to be a near all-star and others aren't allowed to think that Bynum is a near all-star? What makes you so elitist in this fashion?

The guy has all the skills to become a dominant beast in the post. Will he? Who knows but I see no reason why he wouldn't. He has a great work-ethic and that can go a long way.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-18-2006 5:17 PM]

Because Frye has racked up an 18.2 PER in the NBA in his rookie season playing for a horrible coach. Joe Johnson, by comparison had a 18.1 PER. Frye had the 36th best PER in the NBA, higher than all-stars like Rasheed Wallace, Antawn Jamison, Ben Wallace, Odom, etc. Frye is going to be an all-star very soon, any normal kind of projection as far as minutes and improving until he hits his prime tells you this.

Heck, Curry is in the top 50 for PER, at 17.2 he's well above average.

Meanwhile Bynum had a PER of 7.4, which was almost as good as Sasha Vujacic.

I know it's fashionable to hate on Curry and Frye, but acting like these guys are not incredibly skilled big men just makes you look silly.

Posted by gunsnewing:

incredibly offensively skilled certainly

they're both 23. some guys it takes a while to improve their D. look at Dirk, he improved this past season at age 28. defense is just work and strength and knowing how to position yourself. I believe Frye has the work ethic to get all the way there. Jury is out on Curry.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by gunsnewing:

incredibly offensively skilled certainly

they're both 23. some guys it takes a while to improve their D. look at Dirk, he improved this past season at age 28. defense is just work and strength and knowing how to position yourself. I believe Frye has the work ethic to get all the way there. Jury is out on Curry.

I agree Frye has the potential to improve like Dirk did defensively just like Bynum has the potential to be a top nba center based on his physical tools alone

yes, but the difference is that both Frye and Curry have shown that they can consistently succeed on the NBA level. Bynum has yet to show consistency on the summer league level. the NBA is all about consistency. Curry has averaged 16ppg and led the league in FG%, he had a health concern which set him back after his best season but that seems behind him now. Frye was averaging 15ppg and 6rpg off the bench before Larry cut his PT (most people would've, I dunno, STARTED Frye at that point?). That's consistency that can be tapped further and I think both of them can be 20ppg 8rpg 1.5bpg guys in the very near future. If they improved their defense, the way their games compliment one another is going to be scary for other teams to match up with.

Bynum has a long way to go before he gets to Frye or Curry's level. He may be in the same place as Frye and Curry are now in three-four years and that's fine. But just realize he has a long way to go.

Posted by Bonn1997:

It's certainly possible that Bynum would turn out better than Frye but you don't trade a top 4 6'11" rookie for some 18 yr old kid with lots of unknowns just because he's athletic. It would be an awful gamble.

I actually agree with everything you said. I do want Bynum, but Frye's price tag has to be at good value. Trading him straight up for Bynum would be poor value. I'd at least want Bynum and a pick in return, otherwise it's just too high a price to pay for the riskier (but higher ceiling) player.

Played pretty good tonight 25 pts 11 reb 2 blocks 3 assists 2 steals 10-10 from the field. July18Game3
TOTALS: 44 83 7 16 28 36 12 26 38 12 21 7 15 2 123
PERCENTAGES: 53.0% 43.8% 77.8% TM REB: 6 TOT TO: 15 (22 PTS)
HOME: LAKERS (5-2)
NO PLAYER MIN FGFGA 3P3PA FTFTA OR DRTOT A PF ST TO BS PTS
20 Kasib Powell F25:40 5 8 0 1 2 3 1 1 2 3 5 0 1 0 12
17 Andrew Bynum F32:50 10 10 0 0 5 7 2 9 11 3 3 2 4 2 25
40 Marcus Slaughte C15:53 3 7 0 0 1 2 2 5 7 2 1 0 1 0 7
15 Doron Perkins G13:41 5 8 2 3 1 2 0 0 0 3 2 2 0 0 13
5 Jordan Farmar G31:18 7 12 1 4 1 3 0 0 0 11 1 3 2 0 16
23 Von Wafer 18:02 3 9 1 2 0 0 0 2 2 1 1 1 1 0 7
11 Devin Green 26:45 12 14 0 0 2 3 1 7 8 4 3 1 0 0 26
25 Danilo Pinnock 23:18 5 10 1 3 1 2 1 2 3 1 1 0 0 0 12
45 Marcus Douthit 16:37 1 2 0 0 0 0 2 2 4 1 4 0 2 0 2
35 Nick Horvath 6:21 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
55 Micheal Fey 11:00 4 5 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 2 0 0 1 8
10 Nile Murry 9:41 2 6 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 4
30 Byron Sanders 8:54 0 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
41 Ed Fobbs DNP - Coach's Decision
TOTALS: 57 94 5 15 13 22 10 30 40 31 28 9 11 3 132
PERCENTAGES: 60.6% 33.3% 59.1% TM REB: 9 TOT TO: 11 (12 PTS)
SCORE BY PERIODS 1 2 3 4 FINAL
Wizards 31 31 29 32 123
LAKERS 34 25 39 34 132

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by gunsnewing:

incredibly offensively skilled certainly

they're both 23. some guys it takes a while to improve their D. look at Dirk, he improved this past season at age 28. defense is just work and strength and knowing how to position yourself. I believe Frye has the work ethic to get all the way there. Jury is out on Curry.

I agree Frye has the potential to improve like Dirk did defensively just like Bynum has the potential to be a top nba center based on his physical tools alone

What physical tools do you have in mind? A magic wand maybe?

No, because of the draft pick swap option the Bulls have next year.

Posted by BRIGGS:

LOL. Bynum puts up multiple huge games, tremendous improvement in one year still only 18 7-2 285 pound--if he had these types of games as a NYK at this age, he would be the second coming of the basketball Jesus. We get a 6-6 player who dunks and avg 7 points 4 reb and hes Latrell sprewell JR. LOL


have

LOL! It's true. You see how much people like Jackie B on this page, imagine what they would have done when Bynum completely schooled Shaq both defensively and offensively back to back plays on Jan 16 of this year. The guy is an ultimate basketball prospect because he can do it all.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-18-2006 10:39 PM]

Posted by BRIGGS:

LOL. Bynum puts up multiple huge games, tremendous improvement in one year still only 18 7-2 285 pound--if he had these types of games as a NYK at this age, he would be the second coming of the basketball Jesus. We get a 6-6 player who dunks and avg 7 points 4 reb and hes Latrell sprewell JR. LOL


have

Yup, he put up killer stats:

1.22 0.2 1.6