Posted by metra:

Posted by McK1:

get Jeffries

Why?

has a good attitude.

he can defend the 3 position 1 on 1 - matches up size wise and lengthwise with everyone including Lebron

he has the length and speed to help the guards on the perimeter.

he has the length and size to help Jake and the Fat Man inside.

he can pass.

he can handle the ball adequately on the perimeter.

no he is not a star.

Remember that Jeffries started at Indiana (Isiah's former school) and he starred in an offense similar to what Isiah is installing here. He carried that Hoosier team to the championship game and beat Jason Williams and Duke in the process.

Jeffries is 6'10, had length, can block shots and rebound from the wing,can handle it like a guard, guarded Lebron about aswell as I've seen anyone guard him, and is a much better scorer than he showed in Washington.

Besides things related to personality, only a few of a player's skills aren't shown in the stats. Defense is one of them. JJ better be a SOLID defender to warrant MLE money because he can't do anything else. It seems like he IS one dimensional.

And to the arguments starting with "Well if you paid MoT and Jerome this and that.." Knicks management have to start being smart with money sometime. Now is a good a time as any considering all the FA talent that will be available in 3-4 years.

Posted by joec32033:

We sign him I figure he starts at SF, because he is more natural there than Lee....I like Jefferies, but now you gotta find room for another guy that deserves to play.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 07-18-2006 10:49 AM]

Sign Jeffries buyout Jrose. That clears up some of the clutter.

Match-up Nightmare at 6-11 can play the 2,3,4 and 5. Think about it 6-11 being guarded by someone 6-4 to 6-6 @ the 2. Please go get this guy.

He's "one of the best" defensive bench players.

Any chance we can sign and trade butler for jeffries and everybody wins?

Well ESPN is reporting that the Wizards just signed Darius Songaila to a 4-year, 23 mil. dollar deal with an option for a 5th yr. Guess that means Jefferies won't be back in Washington...

I just pray Zeke doesn't see this as a chance to jump on Jefferies. He's Timmy Thomas w/o the offensive ability I'm tellin' ya. We don't need him. Not when we got a chance to bring back Woods for a much better deal.

BTW, take a quick look at this little write-up on Woods before the 2002 draft: http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/qyntelwoods.htm

Now tell me you don't want this guy back.

All Q2 needs is a chance to play. He's averaged only 12 mins/game over his troubled 4-year career so far. Only last year, when it jumped up to 20/game for us did we start to see the flashes. When Larry loon did manage to play the guy a little, he played well. In my mind, he's a talent that the basketball Gods just dropped in our lap, just like when Sprewell became available in GS. 100% worth keeping and taking a chance on considering what we could get him for and his potential. He seems to have his head screwed on straight now, so let's give him a shot. Resign this kid and give him some PT Zeke. You won't regret it.

Posted by metra:

Wow. How many times in my original post was I trying to show that I KNOW stats aren't everything and that I was judging him unfairly. The point of the post was to find out what I missed by not watching him!

Anyway,

Actually you mentioned it once that you didn't think stats were everything so I'm not sure how that translates into many times like your trying to convey. I don't understand how you can just look at someones stats and see how much they contribute on the court. Look at Marbury's stats, if you look at them they sparkle but in reality his stats all come up empty.

I then told you in my post what you were missing out by not watching him play.

One of the best, huh? Maybe. I haven't seen him play so I wouldn't know. But phrases like "one of the best" should always be subject to a lot of criticism. One of the best according to who?

I don't understand this sentiment. Many people on this board are avid basketball fans and watch more than just the Knicks. If someone on this board thinks that another player excels in a certain area, they are usually pretty close to being right. The fact that there were others in this very thread who backed up my sentiments of Jeffries being a top defensive player should give you a idea what kind of player Jeffries is defensively.

"might not be a huge offensive player" is an understatement. Scoring IS one of the things that stats show VERY CLEARLY. The kid takes about 5 shots a game and makes 6-7 points off of them. He's not a scorer, never will be. Has been in the NBA for 4 years and hasn't improved this aspect of his game at all. But a scorer isn't what we need anyway.

Ok, so we know he's not a bigtime scorer but you try playing in a offense with Gilbert Arenas, Larry Hughes and Antawn Jamsison, all of whom average close to 20 points a game. Does that make Jeffries low scoring output right? No, it doesn't but it does say what kind of mentality the kid has becuase even though he's not getting his offensively, he's busting his ass defensively every game guarding the best player on the opposing team no matter what position they play. Jeffries guards EVERY position on the floor and does so well. How many players can you say that about in the NBA? I would bet almost anything that Jeffries has a better offensive game when/if he switches teams becuase he won't be dealing with Arenas and Jamison and a offense catered to just Arenas. If he comes to the Knicks I have faith that Isiah's offense will find Jeffries alot becuase it's based on passing.

Defensively, sure. But that's it. Since Balkman needs to develop and probably won't be able to guard 3's well in his first year, JJ should be a solid addition but not for more than the MLE (if Isiah somehow manages to pay more than that for him).

I agree.

All in all. Maybe there were a few misunderstandings between the two of us in this thread but I'm telling you, Jeffries will be a huge addition for the Knicks. Jeffries will put my mind at ease knowing that Isiah is thinking about defense because Jeffries will bring with man to man defense on a nightly basis and that will be huge for the Knicks because most fans forget about one side of the court. The Defensive side.




[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-18-2006 12:58 PM]

Posted by crzymdups:

I would go after Jeffries. He's much better than Butler. I'd hope they buy out either Jalen or Mo Taylor to fit him in.

Here's a question - would anyone trade Qrich for Jared Jeffries? I think that's a pretty fair trade at this point (it's not your average Jalen Rose for KG proposal, but I think it's a realistic trade that helps both teams, possibly).

why would the Wizards want Qrich's longterm contract? They'd be better off resigning JJ or letting him walk for that matter.

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by crzymdups:

I would go after Jeffries. He's much better than Butler. I'd hope they buy out either Jalen or Mo Taylor to fit him in.

Here's a question - would anyone trade Qrich for Jared Jeffries? I think that's a pretty fair trade at this point (it's not your average Jalen Rose for KG proposal, but I think it's a realistic trade that helps both teams, possibly).

why would the Wizards want Qrich's longterm contract? They'd be better off resigning JJ or letting him walk for that matter.

someone to guard Lebron? a shooter to spread the floor? QRich still has value around the league, people may want him to pass a physical, but he still has value.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by crzymdups:

I would go after Jeffries. He's much better than Butler. I'd hope they buy out either Jalen or Mo Taylor to fit him in.

Here's a question - would anyone trade Qrich for Jared Jeffries? I think that's a pretty fair trade at this point (it's not your average Jalen Rose for KG proposal, but I think it's a realistic trade that helps both teams, possibly).

The Wizards could use Q's "shooting." As bad as Q was last year, I still think he's a good shooter and the Wizards have a need for a SG. I would think that if the Knicks agreed to some sort of potential compensation incase Q's back acts up that the Wizards would be interested. Wasn't Q rumoured to be headed there last year around midyear?

yeah, I believe there was a rumor at one point. it wouldn't be a bad deal.

rotating Lee, Frye, Balkman and Jeffries at the small and power forwards gives us big defensive forwards who compliment the hell out of Curry.

If we traded Qrich for Jeffries, I'd like to re-sign Qyntel, too, for a little diversity.