The most we could have gotten for #20 even with Williams available would have been a 2nd rd pick or 2 2nd rd picks when you break it all down. Nobody was going to give us a first this yr and a first next yr for #20. Especially when Rondo, Lowry, Brown, Rodriguez, Collins was still available.
I'd put money down that if you offered he Nets fo the 22 and 23 to take Marcus at 20 they would have bit.
To get the most value we would have had to draft Williams and then trade him for another good player straight up. 3 things though. Isiah coverted Balkman. So if he drafted Williams he felt Balkman woulnd't have been there at #29. Calling him a liar at believeing Balkman wasn't going to be available at #29 is just convinent for you guys arguements. But it doesn't make sense. If Isiah truley felt that Balkman would have been available at #29 with no worries. Then he would have draft him at #29. He obviously had to have some type of fear he wouldn't have been available in order to take him at #20.
This is right where Zeke's weakness is. He over values the players he wants and goes hard and usually overpays for them..
#2 what if after it was all said an done we couldn't trade Williams. Now what kind of position are we in with Marbury, Franchise, Crawford, Williams, Nate. At least Collins can play PG/SG/SF and play different roles in Isiahs system. To add to that in Isiah eyes he would have also lost out on Balkman the player he coverted. And with Williams he can't draft Collins right. So now he has to compromise his whole drafting plan. In hopes he could trade 2 of his guards in order to maximize the #20 pick with Williams. A player whos specific skills isn't coverted in his type of system.
This is the only thing we really have a patial agreement on-I don't think WIlliams would be traded if we drafted him...The other guys (though Marbury and Francis are overpriced) have value. LA wanted Francis, I am sure Minny would've paid for Stephon before the draft.
#3 Williams would have only have the value of a #20 pick. Not that of a lottery pick. Unless he got burn and light it up. Which wouldn't have happend here. So expecting a TJ Ford for V type move wasn't happening. We would have had to give up Williams and Lee or something to that effect for a Charle V. Is that value?? There aren't to many teams that don't already have a quality PG who would be willing to give up one of there young stud Bigs or 2s for a PG anyway. The options would have been limited for the type of value we were looking for which to Isiah wasn't worth losing out on Blakman. Maybe we could have pulled off a Williams for like 2 young quality role players or something that I would agree. The best I can think of for star potential would be Williams for Josh Smith or Josh Childress. I don't even know if there available.
Again this is assuming Williams would've been traded. Which I don't agree with. See here is the twisted part-Isiah said he wasn't going to sacrifice youth and the long term prospects of this franchise to win now. Most people assumed that the only way of sacrificing youth to win now if you trade picks. Not so. Isiah drafted two guys who can help him win now, and turned a blind eye to the long term effects on this franchise. He didn't draft the guy that does have a better chance at a brighter future than the two we drafted.
Just keeping the draft picks does not mean he is not sacrificing the long term viability of the this franchise in order to save himself. Making the right and prudent choices with those draft picks was.
Like I said, even if he traded down-and I still believe if he gave the Nets a chance to draft Marcus instead of taking himj himself-He could have gotten the 22 and 23 and kept the 29....What about a draft of 2 out of Ager/Boone/Lowery/Collins and Renaldo sound?
