Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by Rich:
The U.S. was in a much stronger position to be an honest broker in the Middle East peace process before the war in Iraq. It has sapped our resources, diminished our prestige around the world, and strained relationships with many of our historic allies.
Very well sspoken. But Israel has been our butt boy for hire since forever, so I don't know how much credibilityu the US had in the region to begin with. In any case, you are right that the last 5 - 15 years haven't helped that cause at all.
The ONLY solution that will ever work is a secular bi-partisan state. You shouldn't have a state based on religous ideals, or heritage. You have a group of foward tinking Israelis and Palestinians come together and put a plan together. No more seperation, bombing, fighting and killing. Ordinary people do not want that. Ordinary people want to feed their kids and live decent lives. The extremeists who are now in power set the tone though and others follow. One state, with a combined Israel and Palestine, and shared resources. Dont exploit each other based on religion or ethnicitty...exploit based on class, the American way!! ;)
BTW Bush is so freaking stupid for co-signing Israel's actions in public. It is such a bad PR move globally, not to mention it is morally wrong. The whole world except US & Israel sees it.
No offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about.
Israel is a jewish country. The jewish people are a tolerant people. Anyone is allowed into Israel, although nowadays security is a major consideration because of the amount of people who want to do damage in the country. You can walk down the streets in Israel as a jew, an orthodox jew, a secular jew, a christian, a bhuddist, a hari krisha, a muslim, an atheist, a catholic, anything, and noone will look twice at you. More then I can say for some places in the US I have been to. Anyone who lives in Israel is there because they chose to live there. The choice is theirs to live in a place that was originally set up as a jewish state, and if thats what they want to do, they can do it. There is no problem with having a jewish state. If you went to Israel, noone would try and turn you into a jew. Noone would tell you what to do if you didnt want to do it.
There was an interview on the BBC this morning where the presenters had a Lebanese muslim living in Beirut and an Israeli doctor from the north of the country where the rockets are being fired into on the phone, and they encouraged them to speak to each other and ask each other questions. The Lebanese citizen said that what Hizbullah are doing is not supported by most Lebanese people, nor is it supported by the Lebanese govornment. Hizbullah get their support and financial clout from Iran and Syria. The Lebanese govornment cant do anything about Hizbullah for fear of sparking a civil war, so they do what they want.
If you want to understand the basic difference between these muslim extremists (and I say extremists because I believe that most Muslims are happy to just get on with their lives, and are good people) think about this. Hizbullah kidnap 2 Israeli soldiers and demand 6,000 prisoners in return. This is the third or fourth time they have done this. The other times Israel as agreed to the swop. 2 lives are worth more to the Israelis then 6,000 people who will be released and then just go back to trying to destroy Israel. Can you imagine the same happening in reverse?
Shakenbake is right. The palestinians get vocal supprot from the other arab nations because it is fighting against Israel. Take Israel out of the equation, and they will simply go back to ignoring them, as they have historically always done.
Let me ask you this. If Mexico started bombing Arizona and kidnapping US soldiers from there, what would you do? Would you go in there to get your soldiers back? Would you build a fence to try and stop Mexican terrorists coming into the US and blowing up malls? Or would you just nuke 'em to hell?
[Edited by - firefly on 07-14-2006 05:25 AM]Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream things that never were and ask why not?
7/14/2006 10:52 AM
');of course it makes a difference if your intention is singly to kill civilians... that is called barbarism... There is no justification for intentionally targeting innocents... That is why terrorists are called terrorists and need to be removed from the face of the planet... before their infectous rationalizations and hatred destroy this planet...