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7/13/2006  11:03 PM
Posted by Rich:
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I think Dolan would fire him if he didn't make an all-out play for Lebron.

LeBron's presence alone could solve MSG Network's programming shortage. It could run with LeBron 24/7.

LOL Rich. I was thinking about that earlier today, well not the Lebron part but the fact that MSG has to do some work with YES and SNY around now. MSG REALLY need some programming.
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7/14/2006  3:17 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MX25:

If Knicks are smart they try to dump contracts. This is NY. Players would come here for the right deal in a heartbeat.

NY is honestly the last place I'd want to play. Unless you win a championship every year, the fans and media are absolutely brutal on you.

Zzzz... yes, *that*'s the reason. I guess it's unreasonable when your payroll is 2-3x other teams, that you'd expect to be above .500. Sorry, *our* bad.

[Edited by - Solace on 07-14-2006 03:19 AM]
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7/14/2006  10:38 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MX25:

If Knicks are smart they try to dump contracts. This is NY. Players would come here for the right deal in a heartbeat.

NY is honestly the last place I'd want to play. Unless you win a championship every year, the fans and media are absolutely brutal on you.

Zzzz... yes, *that*'s the reason. I guess it's unreasonable when your payroll is 2-3x other teams, that you'd expect to be above .500. Sorry, *our* bad.

[Edited by - Solace on 07-14-2006 03:19 AM]

Huh? I think you're talking about a different topic than I am although I can't say for sure because I have no idea what topic you're talking about.
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7/14/2006  11:21 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MX25:

If Knicks are smart they try to dump contracts. This is NY. Players would come here for the right deal in a heartbeat.

NY is honestly the last place I'd want to play. Unless you win a championship every year, the fans and media are absolutely brutal on you.


Thank you. This is why both Shaq and Kobe came to NYC, so they could make tons extra with endorsement deals...
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7/15/2006  6:46 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by MX25:

If Knicks are smart they try to dump contracts. This is NY. Players would come here for the right deal in a heartbeat.

NY is honestly the last place I'd want to play. Unless you win a championship every year, the fans and media are absolutely brutal on you.

Zzzz... yes, *that*'s the reason. I guess it's unreasonable when your payroll is 2-3x other teams, that you'd expect to be above .500. Sorry, *our* bad.

[Edited by - Solace on 07-14-2006 03:19 AM]

Huh? I think you're talking about a different topic than I am although I can't say for sure because I have no idea what topic you're talking about.

I was on this topic, but don't worry about it. It was just a bit of sarcasm. I don't think the fans and media are brtual unless it's deserved. A little rough, yes, but brtual is a stretch.
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7/15/2006  11:20 AM
You see how they treat Ewing? You see how they treat last year's AL baseball MVP? Brutal is an understatement.
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7/15/2006  11:26 AM
melo signed a 5 year bosh signed a 4 year.. only wade and lebron took 3 year
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7/15/2006  11:36 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

You see how they treat Ewing? You see how they treat last year's AL baseball MVP? Brutal is an understatement.

I was just about to say that. The treatment of A-Rod ia absurd. They booed Piazza is first year with the Mets aswell.

And they way they act at the NBA draft is embarrassing. And I'm a New Yorker to the heart.
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7/15/2006  11:51 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Bonn1997:

You see how they treat Ewing? You see how they treat last year's AL baseball MVP? Brutal is an understatement.

I was just about to say that. The treatment of A-Rod ia absurd. They booed Piazza is first year with the Mets aswell.

And they way they act at the NBA draft is embarrassing. And I'm a New Yorker to the heart.

As might as well throw in Allan Houston too. He had his weaknesses, but he also had some nice strengths that the media and many fans always overlooked.
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7/15/2006  2:11 PM
we could sure use allan houston right about now... he was really the only reason we stayed winning post-95
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7/15/2006  2:59 PM
I think the money is mostly justified in the fans mind as long as the team is winning. Having a superstar and paying out money to buy the products they endorse, their name on the jersey you buy, and take in all the hype and propoganda the team dishes out builds expectations of success. Thus, A-rod is held a a totally different standard.

If all things equal, players want money first then think locations. This team is not attractive for many reasons, let alone there is no free agent flexible kinda money here. That could change one day.

Lebron would get booed if we finished .500 and the team was a dissapointment.

In actuallality, I think our expectations of Marbury to lead us was very low and in some aspects ( some, not all) he is given a pass for the teams record. A lot fell on circumstance, being from NY and Larry. He is the highest paid player and one of the biggest flops in the sporting world. Forget the towel and the scowl, its just natural.

I don't like him but I don't blame him for our failure excusively.

Patrick wanted to be the man and made guarantees. Don't deliver and you see what happens.

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7/15/2006  3:48 PM
Posted by Nalod:

I think the money is mostly justified in the fans mind as long as the team is winning. Having a superstar and paying out money to buy the products they endorse, their name on the jersey you buy, and take in all the hype and propoganda the team dishes out builds expectations of success. Thus, A-rod is held a a totally different standard.
If all things equal, players want money first then think locations. This team is not attractive for many reasons, let alone there is no free agent flexible kinda money here. That could change one day.

Lebron would get booed if we finished .500 and the team was a dissapointment.
Only in NY would those bold points occur. In any other city, those players would be appreciated for what they do.

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7/15/2006  11:49 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

I think the money is mostly justified in the fans mind as long as the team is winning. Having a superstar and paying out money to buy the products they endorse, their name on the jersey you buy, and take in all the hype and propoganda the team dishes out builds expectations of success. Thus, A-rod is held a a totally different standard.
If all things equal, players want money first then think locations. This team is not attractive for many reasons, let alone there is no free agent flexible kinda money here. That could change one day.

Lebron would get booed if we finished .500 and the team was a dissapointment.
Only in NY would those bold points occur. In any other city, those players would be appreciated for what they do.
That was the point bright eyes!
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7/16/2006  12:31 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

I think the money is mostly justified in the fans mind as long as the team is winning. Having a superstar and paying out money to buy the products they endorse, their name on the jersey you buy, and take in all the hype and propoganda the team dishes out builds expectations of success. Thus, A-rod is held a a totally different standard.
If all things equal, players want money first then think locations. This team is not attractive for many reasons, let alone there is no free agent flexible kinda money here. That could change one day.

Lebron would get booed if we finished .500 and the team was a dissapointment.
Only in NY would those bold points occur. In any other city, those players would be appreciated for what they do.

"James missed his final seven from the line -- and was even booed in the final minutes. After missing a shot from the wing with 5 seconds left, he angrily ripped off his headband, threw it into the crowd and walked off the court.

James said he "of course" heard the boos, adding, "If these fans want to boo me, it's on them.""

James got booed in Cleveland just for missing some free throws last year. It's not just a NY thing.

ARod was held to a pretty high standard in Texas. It's not just a NY thing.
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7/16/2006  1:55 AM
The plan should be to go all out competing with only contracts for now on that end on or before 2009.

Unless we trade them, we'll still have Robinson, Crawford, Q, James, Frye, Lee, Balkman, and Collins, plus other draft picks & signees.

That year we'll have to re-sign our own players (Frye, Nate, and Lee), so it's of my opinion 1 of those 3 will/should be traded, b/c Frye WONT come cheap. I think it'll come down to Nate or Lee, b/c both will probably call for some or all of the MLE in 3 years.

In order to sign Lebron or Wade or Bosh, we'll need MAX cap space, meaning probably 20 Mill or more, b/c they're anticipating those players to get 150 Mill. on their next contract (150/6 = 25 per......starting at ~ 20 to be safe).

The salary cap by then will probably be atleast 60 Mill. Maybe less, maybe more.

So to be safe, I wouldn't go over 40 Million in total salaries by then.


Player options for JC, James, & Q = 25 Mill.

Re-signing Frye = starting @ 10 Mill (probably)

Re-signing Lee or Nate = starting at 5+ Mill (guesstimating)

Then you have Balkman + Collins, which is maybe 5 mill combined.


So basically we should/will expend most of our future draft picks to save money like Pheonix, and try to win now for the next 3 years. So it's no big deal if Francis stays, b/c he expires like Marbury just in time.

To be safe, I'd really try to get rid of James or Q for shorter contracts, if possible.

Francis, Lee or Nate, Picks, expirings, should/will be used in packages to fill the hole at SF, etc, etc.

That's my feeling. It might not be this year, but def. eventually.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/16/2006  2:02 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

I think the money is mostly justified in the fans mind as long as the team is winning. Having a superstar and paying out money to buy the products they endorse, their name on the jersey you buy, and take in all the hype and propoganda the team dishes out builds expectations of success. Thus, A-rod is held a a totally different standard.
If all things equal, players want money first then think locations. This team is not attractive for many reasons, let alone there is no free agent flexible kinda money here. That could change one day.

Lebron would get booed if we finished .500 and the team was a dissapointment.
Only in NY would those bold points occur. In any other city, those players would be appreciated for what they do.

"James missed his final seven from the line -- and was even booed in the final minutes. After missing a shot from the wing with 5 seconds left, he angrily ripped off his headband, threw it into the crowd and walked off the court.

James said he "of course" heard the boos, adding, "If these fans want to boo me, it's on them.""

James got booed in Cleveland just for missing some free throws last year. It's not just a NY thing.

ARod was held to a pretty high standard in Texas. It's not just a NY thing.
Fans don't like it anywhere when you fail, but failure wasn't the entire sum of A-Rod's existence to fans in Texas or to Lebron's fans in Cleveland. Those players were still loved (or are loved in Lebron's case) for what they did positively.
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7/16/2006  2:04 AM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

I think the money is mostly justified in the fans mind as long as the team is winning. Having a superstar and paying out money to buy the products they endorse, their name on the jersey you buy, and take in all the hype and propoganda the team dishes out builds expectations of success. Thus, A-rod is held a a totally different standard.
If all things equal, players want money first then think locations. This team is not attractive for many reasons, let alone there is no free agent flexible kinda money here. That could change one day.

Lebron would get booed if we finished .500 and the team was a dissapointment.
Only in NY would those bold points occur. In any other city, those players would be appreciated for what they do.
That was the point bright eyes!
I know wise guy; I made the point first and you just babbled on repeating it.
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7/16/2006  2:24 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

How about Lebron and Bosh in 3 years? I dont care what the Knicks do, maybe, somehow we come out of this, BUT the MANDATE should be no deals past 2009. MAYbe things workout, but if they do not--that is the NY Knicks BUSINESS model of the future------ cap space for stars who take these small deals. the only way to execute this particular plan is ABSOLUTE discipline if we sck in the next two year exit all salaries and rebuild this scker with stars

The only problem with that scenario is, no one knows what the scenario's will be in about three years. Next year or two years from now, the league could end up getting several young promsing superstars in the league and LeBron might now mean anything by then, but we'll see.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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