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BigC
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7/12/2006  10:51 PM
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Posted by franco12:

Help! Where does K Mart play?

We have Frye, Lee & Curry to play three front court positions, assuming Lee gets time as a SF and that Frye slides over to the C as well.

Trading for K Mart is like trading for Francis- that is not where our problem lies.

Yes, Frye is a weak rebounder and Curry a zero on the defensive end- but unless Frye, as a logical choice, is getting traded- how can the minutes work??

Exactly! Not to mention the guy has bad knees and a huge contract. I have a feeling Isiah might start him at the sf position.

I this Frye deserves to be the starting PF. Is KMart capable of starting at the 3?
Yes he is capable of playing the 3. Just don't expect him to knocking down 3's. In New Jersey Bryon Scott use to experiment with Kmart playing the 3. In New York it could workout with him playing the 3 because Frye has the ability to shoot the long range shot.



[Edited by - BigC on 07-13-2006 12:24 AM]
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7/12/2006  11:03 PM
Posted by BigC:
Posted by Knixkik:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by BigC:
Posted by franco12:

Help! Where does K Mart play?

We have Frye, Lee & Curry to play three front court positions, assuming Lee gets time as a SF and that Frye slides over to the C as well.

Trading for K Mart is like trading for Francis- that is not where our problem lies.

Yes, Frye is a weak rebounder and Curry a zero on the defensive end- but unless Frye, as a logical choice, is getting traded- how can the minutes work??

Exactly! Not to mention the guy has bad knees and a huge contract. I have a feeling Isiah might start him at the sf position.

I this Frye deserves to be the starting PF. Is KMart capable of starting at the 3?
Yes he is capable of playing the 3. Just don't expect him to knocking down 3's. In New Jersey Bron Scott use to experiment with Kmart playing the 3. In New York it could workout with him playing the 3 because Frye has the ability to shoot the long range shot.
Yeah i was thinking the same thing about Frye. He can knock down shots and martin can on occation too. Both run well and martin can definitely guard SFs. Plus he can take them into the post and cause mismatches. I think it would definitely be worth trying.
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7/12/2006  11:37 PM
Posted by Knixkik:

Help! Where does K Mart play?

I imagine the lineup IT is envisioning is

Marbs.Craw.Lee.Kmart.Frye

Its a bit undersized, but they can run. And if Frye can make opposing centers step out of the box to respect his outside shot, it opens up the driving lanes for Craw and Marbs who can both take guys off the dribble. Furthermore, Lee and Kmart are strong finishers on the break. If Lee actually has an 18-20ft outside shot as well (which it looks like he is working on), the floor will be pretty well spread out. Creating a lot of room for the offense to work with in an up tempo game.

The only sensible reason to do this trade is if you can clear Jerome James off the roster. But with Denver trying to clear salary also, it looks like there is no real makings for a trade.
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7/12/2006  11:38 PM
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http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41475/20060712/isiah_not_giving_up_on_trading_for_martin/
New York Post - Isiah Thomas had a conversation recently with Denver about Kenyon Martin, according to a league source, but talks went nowhere because the Nuggets only want expiring contracts.

Thomas is not interested in adding another $70 million in payroll unless he can get rid of Steve Francis or Jerome James along the way.

I wish he could get rid of JJ and leave it at that. That would save us Butler for one, and get rid of a 'bust'!
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7/13/2006  12:25 AM
Why must we continue to be short-sighted. Martins contract runs FOREVER. The Knicks need to get under the salary cap and get players that don't have question marks and aren't health liabilities. Please for the love of god, can we try that way just once!
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7/13/2006  12:45 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Why must we continue to be short-sighted. Martins contract runs FOREVER. The Knicks need to get under the salary cap and get players that don't have question marks and aren't health liabilities. Please for the love of god, can we try that way just once!

I tend to agree with you. The only young players I have any desire to pay max salary for are Lebron and Wade. They both are rumored to sign 3 year extensions to take effect after this season. That makes them unrestricted free agents in 2010-2011. That year, Kenyon Martin is slated to make $16 mill. The only current contract we have for that year is Crawford's at $10 mill. However, that year, supposedly, is when the CBA will be up for re-negotiation perhaps no salary cap. But I wouldn't want to have a $16 million dollar broken down Kenyon Martin stopping us from making a run at either, or both, of those boys.

I know this is far fetched and ridiculous, but if the Knicks can refrain from putting on too much salary for the next 4 years, could you imagine signing both LBJ and Dwayne... you have to believe their conversations are more than just price fixing in hopes of a bigger payday...

BTW... is it true that Marbury has a player option for next year? If so, if he really loved the Knicks and wanted to "die" a Knick, he would opt out, forgo the remaining $40m on his contract and re-sign at the MLE. If IT is a smooth talker, let him talk Marbs into that one...



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7/13/2006  1:39 AM
Since QRich is signed for so long, and since the Nuggets need a shooter, he's really the only guy that makes sense to me.

QR, Mo T (expiring), and Nate (gives them a cheaper version of Earl Boykins and a young player) for Kmart, Najera (provides D at the 3), and a future draft pick.

The Nuggets get the lesser of two evils with a long-term deal with an injury prone player (in Q, instead of KMart, and they also have Camby and Nene locked up) and a young prospect in Nate, who, in my opinion, hasn't earned any PT over Marbury, Francis, or Crawford in SL and if he can be used to get defensive-minded vets who have been on succesful teams (Najera was on those Nash/Finley/Dirk Mavs that always were in the playoffs and KMart's been to two Finals), its a move that should be made.

These are the Knicks, they do make deals like this. I could totally envision KMart buying into Isiah and at least setting the mindset on the team as being tough-minded and "Bad Boy"-esque. He doesn't call himself the Bad Ass Yellow Boy for nothing.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 07-13-2006 01:41 AM]
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7/13/2006  9:13 AM
If we are going to take K-Mart I want something REALLY good out of it.
How about some good old addition by subtraction?

Marbury for K-Mart and Ruben Patterson (expiring)?
They can play Blubbury at the 2.

We get rid of one dumb ass prima-donna,
and let Francis start at PG, building up his trade value
until we can ship his prima-donna ass out of here too.

What ever moves we need to try to get rid of Francis or Marbury.
They WILL not coexist on this team.

That said, not sure I would do Francis for K-Mart straight up.
K-Mart's contract is much worse. And I'm having a hard time
putting together a package that would make it worth it taking
on K-Mart's extra two years, and still makes sense for Denver.

Alternatively, I would do Q + JJ or Q + Malik for him.
At least get rid of two of our bad contracts even if they are
a little shorter, just to clear out some roster space.
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7/13/2006  9:31 AM
I can't see the nuggets trading for marbury or francis, unless they play them at the two. There's no way melo wants a PG that's dominating the ball like ours do. If they think Qrich is healthy I could see them going for him and maybe Malik rose or something along those lines.
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7/13/2006  10:17 AM
if it's a tradeoff of JJ & Q Rich for KMart & a 2nd round pick, i have a hard time refusing that type of deal... it gives DEN about $30 million in cap savings in the last year of KMart's deal (if you include the luxury tax figure), so who knows... for the Knicks, it opens up a roster spot & gives you some potential good returns if KMart ever returns to form, & additional picks are always good to have.

Sorry Panos, didn't see your post before i posted mine...

Marbury for KMart & Ruben P sounds good to me, but you'd need to open up another roster spot.... i don't see DEN being interested in Marbury at all though personally.


[Edited by - TMS on 07-13-2006 10:20 AM]
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7/13/2006  10:47 AM
If we are going to take K-Mart I want something REALLY good out of it.
How about some good old addition by subtraction?
Marbury for K-Mart and Ruben Patterson (expiring)?
They can play Blubbury at the 2.


steph is not getting traded by Isiah. He should not be mentioned in any trade proposals b/c its just not gonna happen!
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7/13/2006  11:04 AM
Posted by MisterClutch:
If we are going to take K-Mart I want something REALLY good out of it.
How about some good old addition by subtraction?
Marbury for K-Mart and Ruben Patterson (expiring)?
They can play Blubbury at the 2.


steph is not getting traded by Isiah. He should not be mentioned in any trade proposals b/c its just not gonna happen!


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