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7/12/2006  1:38 PM
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Posted by gunsnewing:

Ariza has to learn simple basketball fundamentals like dribbling and shooting and stay with your man

This sounds like he has to learn how to play basketball.

Man I been saying that all season!

Ariza can't dribble up court without looking down. Watch balkman. Balkman is running up court with his head up looking all over the place keeping a beautiful dribble. Its not just on the break. I'm watching the summer league recap now and Balkman is impressive. Dude doesn't do what he can't and that at this time is launch jumpers. Even though he doesn't shoot he is still a threat. Dude still looks to drive and he can make plays so you can't leave him.

Another thing with balkman is he can actually finish off a play without having to go over the top for the dunk. No out of control, please ref bail me out time retard throw ups at the rim.

Balkman and ariza are not the same player. Ariza has now 3 years on him as a pro. He still has a chance to get better but I could care less. Balkman is a true knick. Isiah needs his props.

Good points! I'm still trying to figure why fans were saying Ariza is a defensive stopper!

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7/12/2006  1:39 PM
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i always liked reezy and i still think his game's gonna develop and he's gonna bust out as a player. he's a guy who's gonna take a few years to put it all together. i'm gonna be watching for him and nelson this year. i got a feeling they're gonna develop a lot of chemisty.

i like what i see from balkman so far but it's impossible to extrapolate from these summer games to real games. in recent years sweetney and skita looked like sure all-stars from these games while bosh looked like a bust.

I loved Ariza. how many times have I bemoaned Larry Brown forcing him out of here?

but Balkman is doing stuff that will translate in the league - rebounding and finishing in traffic, running the floor, running the break, making sharp smart cuts.

if Balkman's play means nothing against guys like Ron Artest, Jason Maxiell, Kevin Martin and other actual NBA players - what does Marcus Williams playing against fringe NBDL guys mean? I think Balkman's performance means more given the level of competition in Vegas.

Balkman is the next Dennis Rodman--man I saw him destroy Ron Artest

Marcus Williams stinks hes only playing against 3 NBA players[the max amount the rules let you have] mike Gansy Pittsnogglke etc.. all BE stars avg 20-11-4 in 2 games hes nothing


Frye is the next Tim Duncan Bynum has nothing over him. Just because hes eaten up his competition that included several first round picks and a 7-4 Greek C av 20 -21.5 3 in his last two at 18 yrs old--no future there

http://www.summerproleague.com/july11game5.pdf

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7/12/2006  1:42 PM
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Mcnamara...undrafted!

Why? Slow unathletic players that can't play man to man D. I think Pittsnoggle will make the pros, I'm not so sure about Mcnamara and Gansey.


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7/12/2006  1:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Posted by Marv:

i always liked reezy and i still think his game's gonna develop and he's gonna bust out as a player. he's a guy who's gonna take a few years to put it all together. i'm gonna be watching for him and nelson this year. i got a feeling they're gonna develop a lot of chemisty.

i like what i see from balkman so far but it's impossible to extrapolate from these summer games to real games. in recent years sweetney and skita looked like sure all-stars from these games while bosh looked like a bust.

I loved Ariza. how many times have I bemoaned Larry Brown forcing him out of here?

but Balkman is doing stuff that will translate in the league - rebounding and finishing in traffic, running the floor, running the break, making sharp smart cuts.

if Balkman's play means nothing against guys like Ron Artest, Jason Maxiell, Kevin Martin and other actual NBA players - what does Marcus Williams playing against fringe NBDL guys mean? I think Balkman's performance means more given the level of competition in Vegas.

Balkman is the next Dennis Rodman--man I saw him destroy Ron Artest

Marcus Williams stinks hes only playing against 3 NBA players[the max amount the rules let you have] mike Gansy Pittsnogglke etc.. all BE stars avg 20-11-4 in 2 games hes nothing


Frye is the next Tim Duncan Bynum has nothing over him. Just because hes eaten up his competition that included several first round picks and a 7-4 Greek C av 20 -21.5 3 in his last two at 18 yrs old--no future there

http://www.summerproleague.com/july11game5.pdf

the knicks are great, everyone else stinks


Don't forget that Lee is the next Garnett.
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7/12/2006  1:46 PM
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by Marv:

i always liked reezy and i still think his game's gonna develop and he's gonna bust out as a player. he's a guy who's gonna take a few years to put it all together. i'm gonna be watching for him and nelson this year. i got a feeling they're gonna develop a lot of chemisty.

i like what i see from balkman so far but it's impossible to extrapolate from these summer games to real games. in recent years sweetney and skita looked like sure all-stars from these games while bosh looked like a bust.

I loved Ariza. how many times have I bemoaned Larry Brown forcing him out of here?

but Balkman is doing stuff that will translate in the league - rebounding and finishing in traffic, running the floor, running the break, making sharp smart cuts.

if Balkman's play means nothing against guys like Ron Artest, Jason Maxiell, Kevin Martin and other actual NBA players - what does Marcus Williams playing against fringe NBDL guys mean? I think Balkman's performance means more given the level of competition in Vegas.

Balkman is the next Dennis Rodman--man I saw him destroy Ron Artest

Marcus Williams stinks hes only playing against 3 NBA players[the max amount the rules let you have] mike Gansy Pittsnogglke etc.. all BE stars avg 20-11-4 in 2 games hes nothing


Frye is the next Tim Duncan Bynum has nothing over him. Just because hes eaten up his competition that included several first round picks and a 7-4 Greek C av 20 -21.5 3 in his last two at 18 yrs old--no future there

http://www.summerproleague.com/july11game5.pdf

the knicks are great, everyone else stinks


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I still can't believe we drafted Frye over Bynum. Albeit Frye has done better than expected but they on 2 different planets talentwise. The only thing Frye does better than his opposition is shoot. He has no shot of defending nba PF's whereas Bynum can dominate his position
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7/12/2006  1:56 PM
Posted by fishmike:

can we see him against NBA competition?



i'm looking forward to it... i think he's going to be a nice role player for us next season, & has the potential to progress into something more through hard work & dedication... hopefully he doesn't get influenced by some of the gutless veterans we have on this roster & develop into just another guy w/athleticism who never improves on his game to get to the next level.
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7/12/2006  1:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Balkman is the next Dennis Rodman--man I saw him destroy Ron Artest

Marcus Williams stinks hes only playing against 3 NBA players[the max amount the rules let you have] mike Gansy Pittsnogglke etc.. all BE stars avg 20-11-4 in 2 games hes nothing


Frye is the next Tim Duncan Bynum has nothing over him. Just because hes eaten up his competition that included several first round picks and a 7-4 Greek C av 20 -21.5 3 in his last two at 18 yrs old--no future there

http://www.summerproleague.com/july11game5.pdf

the knicks are great, everyone else stinks

Briggs, tell me, who are these NBA players Marcus was playing against? Travis Deiner? Who else? Knicks have played against Amare, Ron Artest, Kevin Martin, Jason Maxiell and real talent. That Kings team had Louis Admunson, Justin Williams, Taj Gray. Pistons had Cleaves, Maxiell and Amir Johnson. You can try to twist the competition level anyway you like, but the Knicks are facing better teams than Marcus and the Nets.

I notice you didn't post all Bynum's box scores either, against no real big men: http://www.summerproleague.com/july8game3.pdf

http://www.summerproleague.com/july9game2.pdf

Bynum is solid, but he's getting a lot of shots and still has plenty to learn. Most teams don't want their center shooting 38%.

The Knicks are playing a team game, they don't just have one guy going for gaudy stats (outside of Nate doing it in Game 1).

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7/12/2006  2:00 PM
Posted by fishmike:

can we see him against NBA competition?

I'm qualifying, but I think most of what he's doing will translate. and if I have to come here and read threads that not only tout Marcus Williams stats, but puff them up to be better than they are, I'm going to post about our actual pick who may not be the offensive star people wanted (even the people screaming for defense), but who sure seems to fit our team a lot better.

and last I checked, Artest, Maxiell, Kevin Martin and Amare are all NBA players and everyone but Amare was in the playoffs. it's not real games, but playing against this level of competition gives you an idea of what they can do.
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7/12/2006  2:04 PM
Posted by fishmike:

can we see him against NBA competition?

Yea- I guess Ron Artest isn't really NBA competition.
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7/12/2006  2:08 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by fishmike:

can we see him against NBA competition?

Yea- I guess Ron Artest isn't really NBA competition.


in all fairness Balkman only got going once Artest called it a night. Regardless Balk held his own and thats all you can ask for out of a rookie
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7/12/2006  2:09 PM
And one thing, I've never talked about Balkman's stats, or David Lee's. Stats in these league mean absolutely nothing. But seeing how the guys are playing I think translates a little more.

If a big guy like Sweetney or Bynum is just standing in the post and getting all his points at the foul line because he's bigger and getting calls in the summer league that he'll never get in the NBA, I'm less impressed than if I see the kind of team play the Knicks are displaying. I think that chemistry will translate more than bogus foul calls in summer league. We'll see, I guess.
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7/12/2006  2:11 PM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by fishmike:

can we see him against NBA competition?

Yea- I guess Ron Artest isn't really NBA competition.

Maybe Im watching a different show. What exactly did Balkman do to Sacremento in that first half against Ron Artest? He did nothing. what did he do to amare stoudmeire--i dont think he even guarded him

im not rooting aginst balkman, I wouldnt care if we had balkman but there wer twop specific PGs--Marcus Williams and Jordan Farmar that are so much more advanced in terms of basketball skills with the IQ to match that it really didnt matter who we picked at 20 we made a boo boo.
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7/12/2006  2:12 PM
nba bigs got nothing on Bynum. Bynum is superhuman. but yes sweetney's dominance in summerleague can be misleading. Sweetney is a solid nba PF though
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Posted by crzymdups:

And one thing, I've never talked about Balkman's stats, or David Lee's. Stats in these league mean absolutely nothing. But seeing how the guys are playing I think translates a little more.

If a big guy like Sweetney or Bynum is just standing in the post and getting all his points at the foul line because he's bigger and getting calls in the summer league that he'll never get in the NBA, I'm less impressed than if I see the kind of team play the Knicks are displaying. I think that chemistry will translate more than bogus foul calls in summer league. We'll see, I guess.

People are going to look real stupid knocking on Bynum. he put up 24-7 aginst guys like warrick lawrence roberst a 7-4 275 greek C alexander johnson from fla st who many thought was going top 20 this year etc... bynum is 18 year old and putting up 24 and 7 aginst these guys who are 3-4-5 years older. you can teach 7-2 290 and athletic and I wouldnt be putting a guy like that down. hes going to be better than any knick weve had since ewing.
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7/12/2006  2:17 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by fishmike:

can we see him against NBA competition?

Yea- I guess Ron Artest isn't really NBA competition.

Maybe Im watching a different show. What exactly did Balkman do to Sacremento in that first half against Ron Artest? He did nothing. what did he do to amare stoudmeire--i dont think he even guarded him

im not rooting aginst balkman, I wouldnt care if we had balkman but there wer twop specific PGs--Marcus Williams and Jordan Farmar that are so much more advanced in terms of basketball skills with the IQ to match that it really didnt matter who we picked at 20 we made a boo boo.

that's fine if you think we made a boo boo, but don't act like you haven't disparaged Balkman.

and as for Balkman playing Artest? he and Lee held Artest to 7pts. And Kevin Martin played practically the entire game and he was looking like a star in the playoffs against San Antonio last year. They've played some good quality players. Marcus took Gerry McNamara to school like it was Uconn/Cuse all over again in his first summer league game - I think the competition level is a little different. I wish Marcus well, too. But I like the development and cohesion of the young talent we have here.
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7/12/2006  2:18 PM
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And one thing, I've never talked about Balkman's stats, or David Lee's. Stats in these league mean absolutely nothing. But seeing how the guys are playing I think translates a little more.

If a big guy like Sweetney or Bynum is just standing in the post and getting all his points at the foul line because he's bigger and getting calls in the summer league that he'll never get in the NBA, I'm less impressed than if I see the kind of team play the Knicks are displaying. I think that chemistry will translate more than bogus foul calls in summer league. We'll see, I guess.

People are going to look real stupid knocking on Bynum. he put up 24-7 aginst guys like warrick lawrence roberst a 7-4 275 greek C alexander johnson from fla st who many thought was going top 20 this year etc... bynum is 18 year old and putting up 24 and 7 aginst these guys who are 3-4-5 years older. you can teach 7-2 290 and athletic and I wouldnt be putting a guy like that down. hes going to be better than any knick weve had since ewing.

I think Bynum will be good. But I also think he's still a few years away. He's shooting around 40% and getting a lot of free throws. In a couple of years, I think he will be quite good. I sort of wonder if he'll still be in LA though.

edit: not that LA doesn't like Bynum, but I don't know if Kobe will be patient enough to wait 3-5yrs for Bynum to really be ready for playoff bball.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 12-07-2006 2:20 PM]
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Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:

And one thing, I've never talked about Balkman's stats, or David Lee's. Stats in these league mean absolutely nothing. But seeing how the guys are playing I think translates a little more.

If a big guy like Sweetney or Bynum is just standing in the post and getting all his points at the foul line because he's bigger and getting calls in the summer league that he'll never get in the NBA, I'm less impressed than if I see the kind of team play the Knicks are displaying. I think that chemistry will translate more than bogus foul calls in summer league. We'll see, I guess.

People are going to look real stupid knocking on Bynum. he put up 24-7 aginst guys like warrick lawrence roberst a 7-4 275 greek C alexander johnson from fla st who many thought was going top 20 this year etc... bynum is 18 year old and putting up 24 and 7 aginst these guys who are 3-4-5 years older. you can teach 7-2 290 and athletic and I wouldnt be putting a guy like that down. hes going to be better than any knick weve had since ewing.


no one is going to look dumber than Isiah Thomas & the Knicks who desperately was in need a dominant starting center in order to not only start winning games again but actually competing for a championship in the near future.
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Posted by gunsnewing:
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And one thing, I've never talked about Balkman's stats, or David Lee's. Stats in these league mean absolutely nothing. But seeing how the guys are playing I think translates a little more.

If a big guy like Sweetney or Bynum is just standing in the post and getting all his points at the foul line because he's bigger and getting calls in the summer league that he'll never get in the NBA, I'm less impressed than if I see the kind of team play the Knicks are displaying. I think that chemistry will translate more than bogus foul calls in summer league. We'll see, I guess.

People are going to look real stupid knocking on Bynum. he put up 24-7 aginst guys like warrick lawrence roberst a 7-4 275 greek C alexander johnson from fla st who many thought was going top 20 this year etc... bynum is 18 year old and putting up 24 and 7 aginst these guys who are 3-4-5 years older. you can teach 7-2 290 and athletic and I wouldnt be putting a guy like that down. hes going to be better than any knick weve had since ewing.


no one is going to look dumber than Isiah Thomas & the Knicks who desperately was in need a dominant starting center in order to not only start winning games again but actually competing for a championship in the near future.

you know, Eddy Curry did some pretty amazing things in Summer League, too.
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7/12/2006  2:25 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
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Posted by fishmike:

can we see him against NBA competition?

Yea- I guess Ron Artest isn't really NBA competition.

Maybe Im watching a different show. What exactly did Balkman do to Sacremento in that first half against Ron Artest? He did nothing. what did he do to amare stoudmeire--i dont think he even guarded him

im not rooting aginst balkman, I wouldnt care if we had balkman but there wer twop specific PGs--Marcus Williams and Jordan Farmar that are so much more advanced in terms of basketball skills with the IQ to match that it really didnt matter who we picked at 20 we made a boo boo.

that's fine if you think we made a boo boo, but don't act like you haven't disparaged Balkman.

and as for Balkman playing Artest? he and Lee held Artest to 7pts.

I have to disagree with that. Artest was not even looking to score. As far as I remember he did not even play that much. Artest was basicially trying to condition himself, work on his passing and dribbling skills. He was not trying to take over. If you remember in the game Artest was dribbling past Lee and Balkman and stop to slow it up just to pass. Artest is the same guy that will go the playground right now and only score 4 points. Only during the season he looks to score.





[Edited by - BigC on 07-12-2006 2:28 PM]
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Posted by crzymdups:

And one thing, I've never talked about Balkman's stats, or David Lee's. Stats in these league mean absolutely nothing. But seeing how the guys are playing I think translates a little more.

If a big guy like Sweetney or Bynum is just standing in the post and getting all his points at the foul line because he's bigger and getting calls in the summer league that he'll never get in the NBA, I'm less impressed than if I see the kind of team play the Knicks are displaying. I think that chemistry will translate more than bogus foul calls in summer league. We'll see, I guess.

People are going to look real stupid knocking on Bynum. he put up 24-7 aginst guys like warrick lawrence roberst a 7-4 275 greek C alexander johnson from fla st who many thought was going top 20 this year etc... bynum is 18 year old and putting up 24 and 7 aginst these guys who are 3-4-5 years older. you can teach 7-2 290 and athletic and I wouldnt be putting a guy like that down. hes going to be better than any knick weve had since ewing.


no one is going to look dumber than Isiah Thomas & the Knicks who desperately was in need a dominant starting center in order to not only start winning games again but actually competing for a championship in the near future.

you know, Eddy Curry did some pretty amazing things in Summer League, too.


doubt he rebounded and played defense
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