Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by martin:

Who are the decision makers running the fast break? Who are the rebounds and outlet passers that initiate the fast break? Who is going to feed the post?

If I listened to you guys I would believe that Steph can't do anything. He can't run a break, he can't get a big the ball, he can't do anything, he's just useless.

And none of our bigs can grab a board or pass the ball. This stuff isn't nearly is complicated as you guys would like to make it seem.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 07-11-2006 11:26 AM]

Posted by martin:

Posted by franco12:

besides being in shape, we need an offense that exploits his strengths.

this is what baffles me. An offense that exploits his strengths includes outside shooter who spread the floor, a post-up game with guys who know how to feed the post, and a slow-down game so that Curry can get set.

And I think Isiah is talking about running. Those 2 things really don't match.

Now, this is not to say that Curry can't move up the court for a big man, but in a PHO-style offense you take the first goood shot you see every time down the court, not wait for your post-up guy to find position.

A Phoenix style offense isn't about taking the first good shot- they are about spacing- they basically keep the paint area open and spread everyone, and then move the ball and move without the ball.

uptempo and having a slow center can work.

I seem to recall the lakers getting by with Kareem when he was about 40 years old.

I see Isiah more than anything giving Marbury and Francis the ability to attack their defenders and try to break down the defense, and then create from there.

Posted by Killa4luv:
I find that many here have been brainwashed (by the evil LB) into thinking we need a team with a pg that is pass first. There really are only 3 good pg's like that in the league: Nash, Kidd, Paul.
When did this become a necessity?

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by martin:

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by martin:

Who are the decision makers running the fast break? Who are the rebounds and outlet passers that initiate the fast break? Who is going to feed the post?

If I listened to you guys I would believe that Steph can't do anything. He can't run a break, he can't get a big the ball, he can't do anything, he's just useless.

And none of our bigs can grab a board or pass the ball. This stuff isn't nearly is complicated as you guys would like to make it seem.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 07-11-2006 11:26 AM]

Marbury is a good pick and roll guy. If he is limited to 2-3 options, he is VERY good. He is also good at getting himself to the rim. We are talking about a passing team who also has a PG that is pass first and score only if absolutely necessary.

I find that many here have been brainwashed (by the evil LB) into thinking we need a team with a pg that is pass first. There really are only 3 good pg's like that in the league: Nash, Kidd, Paul.
When did this become a necessity?

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by martin:

Posted by nixluva:

People really do need to get a grip with all this stuff about Steph not being able to do this or that. He's more than capable of running an offense and always has been. He's just not a traditional pass 1st PG, however i'd remind you that MANY of the greatest PG's were not pass 1st players, but MAJOR scorers. It doesn't have to be only one way.

So far Marbury has proven through his career that he can be a great individual talent. Show me the year where he succeeded at the team level.

2003 PHX SUNS....

They didn't leave the first round of the playoffs, and neither has Marbury... EVER.

Getting to the playoffs isn't a huge accomplishment, half the teams in the league get there. Advancing and leading your team past each round is what makes players in this league.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07-11-2006 12:53 PM]

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by martin:

Posted by nixluva:

People really do need to get a grip with all this stuff about Steph not being able to do this or that. He's more than capable of running an offense and always has been. He's just not a traditional pass 1st PG, however i'd remind you that MANY of the greatest PG's were not pass 1st players, but MAJOR scorers. It doesn't have to be only one way.

So far Marbury has proven through his career that he can be a great individual talent. Show me the year where he succeeded at the team level.

2003 PHX SUNS....

They didn't leave the first round of the playoffs, and neither has Marbury... EVER.

Hey it was a very successful year for the franchise..They did lose to the SA Spurs in six hard fough games..But you don't care about that...Let the hate continue...

Posted by martin:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by martin:

Posted by nixluva:

People really do need to get a grip with all this stuff about Steph not being able to do this or that. He's more than capable of running an offense and always has been. He's just not a traditional pass 1st PG, however i'd remind you that MANY of the greatest PG's were not pass 1st players, but MAJOR scorers. It doesn't have to be only one way.

So far Marbury has proven through his career that he can be a great individual talent. Show me the year where he succeeded at the team level.

2003 PHX SUNS....

They didn't leave the first round of the playoffs, and neither has Marbury... EVER.

what I remember about that team is that they almost beat the Spurs and it was in large part due to the scoring efforts and last second heroics of Marbury.

I don't have the stats, which guys on that PHO team where far and away much better than in other seasons (besides marbury himself)?

Not so sure about that, Amare was a rook, Marion was an allstar, Joe Johnson wasn't a stud yet, Q1 wasn't there yet I think...So basically it was Marion and Marbs surrounded by good young players..

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by martin:

you go killa. LB is brainwashing the rest of us just as much as Marbury and Isiah are brainwashing you. Thanks for brining that up.

Well my main point is, having a pass-first pg, was never the most important thing in the world until LB said so. Afterwords, guys here were pining for Speedy Claxton, Brevrin Knight, etc., other veteran guys who have never won anything anywhere, but were pass first. Thats my only point.