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BRIGGS
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7/9/2006  7:05 PM
Posted by Elite:

dude... briggs... u usually have some good pointd but u need to get over this


we make these crazy trades that have NEVER been pulled off in nba history--curry for 4 draft picks two players[one of which had a pretty darn good playoffs] one is pick 2 the other a likely lottery pick and who knows what else when chicago is in a vulnerable position we spend 40mm $ to acquire Jalen rose and pick 20 we acquire Mo Taylor and we give up pick 32 for another 40mm we spend 125mm $ and we come in last behind Atlanta and charlotte who have 1/6 the payroll? Sorry I dont like the way things are run, and Id like for him to have the cahones to atleast answer the question


Did you have Renaldo Balkman RATED HIGHER on your draft board than Marcus Williams---thats all im asking its not that hard of a question
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7/9/2006  7:09 PM
Yeah, I think Isiah is a coward for not answering BRIGG's question.

[Edited by - BASKETBALLJONES on 07-09-2006 19:10]
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7/9/2006  7:17 PM
No Briggs, I'm sure he didn't. Rightly or wrongly, Isiah drafted out of need, not who was the most talented player left on the board.
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7/9/2006  7:24 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

No Briggs, I'm sure he didn't. Rightly or wrongly, Isiah drafted out of need, not who was the most talented player left on the board.

what we need is a high IQ PG with skills.
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7/9/2006  7:26 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Elite:

dude... briggs... u usually have some good pointd but u need to get over this


we make these crazy trades that have NEVER been pulled off in nba history--curry for 4 draft picks two players[one of which had a pretty darn good playoffs] one is pick 2 the other a likely lottery pick and who knows what else when chicago is in a vulnerable position we spend 40mm $ to acquire Jalen rose and pick 20 we acquire Mo Taylor and we give up pick 32 for another 40mm we spend 125mm $ and we come in last behind Atlanta and charlotte who have 1/6 the payroll? Sorry I dont like the way things are run, and Id like for him to have the cahones to atleast answer the question


Did you have Renaldo Balkman RATED HIGHER on your draft board than Marcus Williams---thats all im asking its not that hard of a question


Marcus Williams has no place on this team... we needed a guy like balkman.. we need roll players not another point gaurd u cant argue that hey sure maybe balkman would have been there at 29 but maybe isiah thought he wouldent even if he was wrong.... here is the bottom line, Lets say it was a bad pick and williams is better.. ok.. fine.. but at least root for this kid balkman to do well it seems like al u want to do is bash him lets give him a chance so far he has looked good you have really been hating on him hard u said he played awful the other night when he actually played decent u got to give him a chance it helps no one to hate on a player thats on our team before he even does anything wrong... if u mad at isiah thats one thing.. u right about the curry trade and the rose and all that **** isiah has made some bad moves but dont take it out on Balkman the kid plays hard we have no choice but to root for him now
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7/9/2006  7:29 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by bigbeast:

No Briggs, I'm sure he didn't. Rightly or wrongly, Isiah drafted out of need, not who was the most talented player left on the board.

what we need is a high IQ PG with skills.


Unless u planning on trading steph, which i have no problem with... it wont change anything... and steph is untradable so wat u want to do shelf williams for 4 years until steph is gone and then bring him out and hope he is ready? hey man... i wouldent have been mad if they did that but as long as stephon is a knick, it doesent matter... Also the real issue here is not with balkman its collins.. isiah said he tinks collins is a better PG fit for the knicks so we will see, if u want to do a vs. williams do it with collins
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7/9/2006  7:31 PM
ps u think williams woujld be cool with playing behond stephon marbury for however long? that isnt exactly known to be his charictor now is it
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7/9/2006  7:33 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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No Briggs, I'm sure he didn't. Rightly or wrongly, Isiah drafted out of need, not who was the most talented player left on the board.

what we need is a high IQ PG with skills.

I don't disagree with you with that point. I wanted Williams too. But Isiah is married to the idea of Steph running the show. And with that ideology, there was no place for Williams. At least not in the immediate future....and Isiah might not have much of a future if he isnt successful this year.....so he drafted a guy who he thinks can help him immediately...I don't necessarily agree with it. I think its a little short sighted thinking, but I understand his reasoning....
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7/9/2006  7:34 PM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by BRIGGS:
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No Briggs, I'm sure he didn't. Rightly or wrongly, Isiah drafted out of need, not who was the most talented player left on the board.

what we need is a high IQ PG with skills.


Unless u planning on trading steph, which i have no problem with... it wont change anything... and steph is untradable so wat u want to do shelf williams for 4 years until steph is gone and then bring him out and hope he is ready? hey man... i wouldent have been mad if they did that but as long as stephon is a knick, it doesent matter... Also the real issue here is not with balkman its collins.. isiah said he tinks collins is a better PG fit for the knicks so we will see, if u want to do a vs. williams do it with collins

marbury is one heckuva basketball player--there is no doubt about it, anyone who says otherwise is wrong THAT being said he is NOT an intelligent individual--it takes 5 seconds of listening to him to figure it out. Do you want a low IQ guy running your business? No same thing with the PG

this team is banking on curry and marbury--two guys with dim bulbs. that doesnt make them any less of a great person, but that isnt what I want leading anything of importance.
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7/9/2006  7:38 PM
I hated the Balkman and Collins picks. I don't see Collins getting any time and i think Balkman will be ok. I gotta see him play defense against real NBA guys before i judge it. Everyone thought Ariza had great defense cause in his 1st summer league he was stealing and blocking shots. Come to find out he got bullied one on one against real NBA guys and gambled toomuch on help defense.

I just find it funny Nets got Adams with #54 pick and i think he'll do more for them than Balkman/Collins combined.
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7/9/2006  7:41 PM
Posted by Elite:

ps u think williams woujld be cool with playing behond stephon marbury for however long? that isnt exactly known to be his charictor now is it

Just to play devils advocate, then why did he take Collins at 29?
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7/9/2006  7:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by bigbeast:

No Briggs, I'm sure he didn't. Rightly or wrongly, Isiah drafted out of need, not who was the most talented player left on the board.

what we need is a high IQ PG with skills.


Unless u planning on trading steph, which i have no problem with... it wont change anything... and steph is untradable so wat u want to do shelf williams for 4 years until steph is gone and then bring him out and hope he is ready? hey man... i wouldent have been mad if they did that but as long as stephon is a knick, it doesent matter... Also the real issue here is not with balkman its collins.. isiah said he tinks collins is a better PG fit for the knicks so we will see, if u want to do a vs. williams do it with collins

marbury is one heckuva basketball player--there is no doubt about it, anyone who says otherwise is wrong THAT being said he is NOT an intelligent individual--it takes 5 seconds of listening to him to figure it out. Do you want a low IQ guy running your business? No same thing with the PG

this team is banking on curry and marbury--two guys with dim bulbs. that doesnt make them any less of a great person, but that isnt what I want leading anything of importance.

I'm not sayin marbury is capable im saying WE ARE STUCK WITH HIM.... so williams will play behind marbury for the next however many years?? hes untradable... Collins i think would be a lot more inclined to accept that kind of a roll than Williams
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7/9/2006  7:45 PM
Posted by Elite:



I'm not sayin marbury is capable im saying WE ARE STUCK WITH HIM.... so williams will play behind marbury for the next however many years?? hes untradable... Collins i think would be a lot more inclined to accept that kind of a roll than Williams

The problem with that is that I would expect Williams to be playing behind Marbury for a year 2 becuase he's young. Whats so bad about him being the backup point for a year or two? The Knicks are not a player or 2 away from being very good, they won 23 games last year, its going to take alot of good players to come in here and right this ship.
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7/9/2006  7:55 PM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by bigbeast:

No Briggs, I'm sure he didn't. Rightly or wrongly, Isiah drafted out of need, not who was the most talented player left on the board.

what we need is a high IQ PG with skills.


Unless u planning on trading steph, which i have no problem with... it wont change anything... and steph is untradable so wat u want to do shelf williams for 4 years until steph is gone and then bring him out and hope he is ready? hey man... i wouldent have been mad if they did that but as long as stephon is a knick, it doesent matter... Also the real issue here is not with balkman its collins.. isiah said he tinks collins is a better PG fit for the knicks so we will see, if u want to do a vs. williams do it with collins

marbury is one heckuva basketball player--there is no doubt about it, anyone who says otherwise is wrong THAT being said he is NOT an intelligent individual--it takes 5 seconds of listening to him to figure it out. Do you want a low IQ guy running your business? No same thing with the PG

this team is banking on curry and marbury--two guys with dim bulbs. that doesnt make them any less of a great person, but that isnt what I want leading anything of importance.

I'm not sayin marbury is capable im saying WE ARE STUCK WITH HIM.... so williams will play behind marbury for the next however many years?? hes untradable... Collins i think would be a lot more inclined to accept that kind of a roll than Williams

why do you know williams? let me add this, hes playing behind a MUCH better PG in Jason Kidd---i dont expect any rookie to start, but i also dont expect the knicks to start turning it for a couple of years. thats why I am in shock that we didnt take him--how can a DUMB team not take a high IQ player like that? we have a lot of redundancy with marbury nate francis and crawford- williams is a different type of player


the whole purpose of this post why the F did we take a 2nd round pick at 20 when w couldve drafted a high IQ big time PG who just happened to fall because that draft went big. its not good team management
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7/9/2006  7:58 PM
Briggs even if you right and we should have drafted williams what good does it do to bash balkman all the time? he might end up being a good player, he looks good so far to me
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7/9/2006  7:59 PM
Posted by Elite:

Briggs even if you right and we should have drafted williams what good does it do to bash balkman all the time? he might end up being a good player, he looks good so far to me

That's the reason for coming here. Where else can you vent about your favorite teams? You vent on forums.
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7/9/2006  8:09 PM
LOL, no offence I wanted williams when I was being told he was such a great player. I wanted him when I was looking at his stat sheets(not really when I saw him playing). "THe Best in the draft", like most people i wanted the best point in the draft.......... but the dude fail behind Euro project bigs and undeveloped point guards. Maybe he isn't as good as you think??? Isiah saw this guy Williams and didn't want him, period. He saw all these small forwards and thought Balkman would be better then them, period. What else is there to add???

Da Haters"Why we take collins if we didn't need a point Huh??".

Only thing I can say is collins 6'6 and hasn't played a lick on Point in the summer. YOu think we took a point, maybe we took somebody who could help nate....... which Marcus doesn't.


Maybe you should sent your resume to the knicks for the GM job Biggs if you are soooo much better at judging picks????

[Edited by - Anji on 07-09-2006 8:10 PM]

[Edited by - Anji on 07-09-2006 8:11 PM]
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7/9/2006  8:11 PM
Posted by Anji:



Maybe you should sent your resume to the knicks for the GM job Biggs if you are soooo much better at judging picks???? [/blue]

[Edited by - Anji on 07-09-2006 8:10 PM]

I'm pretty sure thats meant as a shot but what the hell is the point of talking on a forum if your not going to talk about what the team has done. Alot of us watch a ton of college basketball and like certain players, we're not allowed to talk about what we think is good?

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7/9/2006  8:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

im trying to figure out the rationale for 20. Guys like admunson Pinnock hassan Adams etc.. 50+ in the draft pinnock is a tough 2 guard defender who can rebound. yes balkman is a better shot blocker but how many shots is a 6-6 guy going to get in the nba? wouldnt admunson make a little more sense since he actually has 3 size?


I'm still trying to figure out the rationale for fred Weis and its been years. Briggs, the Knicks made the right choice in going for Balkman. This team really doesn't need ballers that fill the basket they needed a hustle and energy guy and they got that in Balkman. As bad a pick that you think he is he just might be a possible all defensive player which I think make Balkman a very good pick. People go around and say why is he picking a hustle player at 20. Well there are GMs out there that are paying Hustle players big money. Look at Wallace the ultimate hustle player he is getting big money and he has very little offensive skills. Jerry West gave Brian Cardinal a big contract for his hustle play. Bruce Bowen with hard work devloped a offensive game to go with his great defense.

Balkman is gonna be decent, I know you want to prove Isiah wrong so you could say I told you all so you know what this is one time he made the right move. This team needs a player that will bring it on the defensive end not so much the offensive end. He allows players to do their thing he will set the picks go for the offensive rebounds. He allows scores to be scorers especially when there is only one ball to go around.
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7/9/2006  8:43 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Anji:



Maybe you should sent your resume to the knicks for the GM job Biggs if you are soooo much better at judging picks????

[Edited by - Anji on 07-09-2006 8:10 PM]

I'm pretty sure thats meant as a shot but what the hell is the point of talking on a forum if your not going to talk about what the team has done. Alot of us watch a ton of college basketball and like certain players, we're not allowed to talk about what we think is good?

I can understand liking player X and hoping your team gets him but when it doesn't happen to act like Isiah doesn't know how to look at young talent is kinda dumb. Like I know player X would be better and taking it futher, why go finding every player I'm getting told is better then Balkman or had a higher pick in somebodies notebook.

I was watching Adams, Roby and Roy all year on my Foxsports channel, I'm not going to b!@#h like I know more then Isiah because I followed a league. It's getting over done.

I see it every Year more so with the Nfl draft, but atlease they let go. [/blue]


[Edited by - Anji on 07-09-2006 8:45 PM]
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